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post #12301 of 14412

Hi Folks, 

 

Just a quick question. I am in the UK and am getting my new portable rig sorted for Christmas.

 

It should be something like this Note 3 -> USBOTG -> Microstreamer (or alternative) -> IEM's. However I am struggling what IEM's to go for. I am in the UK and we seem to have a few good deals available at the moment. I have Sony MH1C at the moment, which I like, but too warm for my liking. My home set-up is Grado SR-80i's (vent modded) and I love the forward sound, so I would ideally like something similar to the Grado sound, I have read that the Microstreamer can be a bit bright though. These are my options at the moment:

 

Super.fi 5vi @ £32 

RE-400's @ £78

Brainwavz B2 @ £86

Rock IT R50 @ £75

Sony XBA-H1 @ £78

 

I see Joker gave the Super.fi 5's an 8.6 for sound quality, so going by that £32 seems to be a bargain. But do you think that the B2's or R50's are going to be a lot better (baring in mind the price difference)?

I can also get the Sony XBA-3ip's for £104, which seems a good deal for triple armature, that's really at the top of my budget though, as the Microstreamer is £170. Any help making a choice would be fantastic. I listen to a broad range of music, from rock to reggae. 

 

Thanks in advance folks, and happy Christmas, 

 

Jim

post #12302 of 14412
I think getting a Microstreamer for £170 and pairing with £50-100 iems will most likely not give you the best sound quality you can for your money. I originally bought my S4 just because of the ability to use USB-sound out to a DAC. I just found it to be too much of a hassle. And my Apex Glacier doesn't work with my S4. Anyway. I would go ahead and get some iems that suit you first. Put in as much as you feel is appropriate. Pairing a pair of £32 S.fi 5vi with a £170 microstreamer will most likely sound worse than buying a pair of UE900, W4 or similar.

The R-50 with comply tips (Ts) are awesome btw.
post #12303 of 14412
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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

can you do me a fidelio s1 and re-400 shoot out ? which one is better when it comes to sq ?

 

The RE-400 is more efficient, warmer in tone, and boasts more intimate mids and a more in-the-head presentation overall. 

 

The Fidelio S1 has more subbass & bass in general but is also less warm overall and a touch clearer as a result. The mids on the S1 are less forward. Tonally, it is somewhat brighter and has more upper midrange presence. It is also more spacious overall and has a wider soundstage but gives up the intimate feel and more well-rounded presentation (in terms of depth and width being more even) of the RE-400.

 

They're about on-par for me, just different signatures. 

 

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Originally Posted by mannkind246 View Post


Among these IEMs, which one has less fatigue to the ear and also the most comfortable to wear for a long time like 2 to 3 hrs nonstop?

 

Sound-wise for me the S2 is the least fatiguing, followed closely by the GR07 and DBA-02. But like modulor said if listening fatigue is a big consideration, a less bright earphone like the RE-400 might be worth looking at.

 

I find the DBA-02 mkII the most comfortable, then the GR07, then the DBA-02 mkI, and then the S2, partly because I prefer over-the-ear to cable-down.

 

 

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Interesting reading (and pictures), thanks for sharing.

 

 

+1, thanks for sharing!

 

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Originally Posted by bigjim View Post
 

Hi Folks, 

 

Just a quick question. I am in the UK and am getting my new portable rig sorted for Christmas.

 

It should be something like this Note 3 -> USBOTG -> Microstreamer (or alternative) -> IEM's. However I am struggling what IEM's to go for. I am in the UK and we seem to have a few good deals available at the moment. I have Sony MH1C at the moment, which I like, but too warm for my liking. My home set-up is Grado SR-80i's (vent modded) and I love the forward sound, so I would ideally like something similar to the Grado sound, I have read that the Microstreamer can be a bit bright though. These are my options at the moment:

 

Super.fi 5vi @ £32 

RE-400's @ £78

Brainwavz B2 @ £86

Rock IT R50 @ £75

Sony XBA-H1 @ £78

 

I see Joker gave the Super.fi 5's an 8.6 for sound quality, so going by that £32 seems to be a bargain. But do you think that the B2's or R50's are going to be a lot better (baring in mind the price difference)?

I can also get the Sony XBA-3ip's for £104, which seems a good deal for triple armature, that's really at the top of my budget though, as the Microstreamer is £170. Any help making a choice would be fantastic. I listen to a broad range of music, from rock to reggae. 

 

Thanks in advance folks, and happy Christmas, 

 

Jim

 

I agree with MoonYeol, it's tough to justify spending way more on a source than earphones in this tier. However, I don't know how bad the headphone out of your Galaxy is. I can't use my HTC phone with many IEMs because of its crappy audio hardware.

 

Anyway, to get closer to the Grado sound you probably will want a brighter set than the SF5 and RE-400. The B2 and R-50 (the latter with a tip change and maybe impedance adapter) would be good. The Ety HF5 would be good too if it's available at a reasonable price. The Fidelio S1 is good but has quite a bit more bass than these other options. Not sure how the H1 sounds but if the EX600 is any indication it could also be quite excellent. 

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can the brainwavz b2 be driver our of cowon j3 ? or does it need an amp .
post #12305 of 14412

Planning to upgrade from Vsonic R07 MKII.

What do you recommend? 

I'm not a basshead but dont like total lack of it, like brainwavz b2 mentioned above. Previous page.

For that reason I prefer dynamic.

If there is a balanced, better in all aspects? Maybe?

Budget around £300 / $500

Thank you

post #12306 of 14412
Just got my Brainwavz B2's... 3 days from China to the UK, £61... cannot complain at all. They were at least 50% cheaper than everything else recommended around my query. They have been lauded as pretty darn good IEM's so why not save a bit of my budget and spend it on my family? smily_headphones1.gif

They are quite fun but I do get that brightness on the higher end of the spectrum and I'm picking up on sibilance on . They're certainly enjoyable and I'll be tweaking and playing around with EQ settings to get something lovely.

Is it possible to slightly tame the treble/brightness without trashing my love of the highs? I'm thinking of simple things like -dB on the EQ or maybe different tips. Not really talking of anything drastic as I've only had these in my ears for less than 2 hours now and I'm just thinking ahead smily_headphones1.gif
post #12307 of 14412

Try comply tips if you like foamies. I don't know about B2 but R-50 does improve in the sibilance department if you add some impedance.

post #12308 of 14412
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post

can the brainwavz b2 be driver our of cowon j3 ? or does it need an amp .

 

It's fine out of the J3. Perhaps not ideal as it pairs well with a warmer player, but it's more than enough to see the B2's potential. 

 

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Originally Posted by FARfromHOME View Post
 

Planning to upgrade from Vsonic R07 MKII.

What do you recommend? 

I'm not a basshead but dont like total lack of it, like brainwavz b2 mentioned above. Previous page.

For that reason I prefer dynamic.

If there is a balanced, better in all aspects? Maybe?

Budget around £300 / $500

Thank you

 

I'm not aware of anything that's better all around than the GR07. You'll always be giving something up. For example the Phonak PFE232 - it has a similar balance to the GR07 (a little more bass perhaps) and is more resolving overall with better soundstage depth, layering, and imaging. However, it has more recessed mids than the GR07, there's no improvement in clarity, and it's at least twice as expensive as the GR07.

 

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Originally Posted by ElcomeSoft View Post

Just got my Brainwavz B2's... 3 days from China to the UK, £61... cannot complain at all. They were at least 50% cheaper than everything else recommended around my query. They have been lauded as pretty darn good IEM's so why not save a bit of my budget and spend it on my family? smily_headphones1.gif

They are quite fun but I do get that brightness on the higher end of the spectrum and I'm picking up on sibilance on . They're certainly enjoyable and I'll be tweaking and playing around with EQ settings to get something lovely.

Is it possible to slightly tame the treble/brightness without trashing my love of the highs? I'm thinking of simple things like -dB on the EQ or maybe different tips. Not really talking of anything drastic as I've only had these in my ears for less than 2 hours now and I'm just thinking ahead smily_headphones1.gif
 
Playing around with different tips is definitely a good idea. Not sure what the B2 comes with these days but there should be some Complys included. I also got good results with thick/narrow opening single-flange tips (from an older Shure set) as well as triple-flanges if they are comfortable for you.
 
Beyond that there's always the EQ - the 5 - 8k range usually contains most of the sibilance. 
post #12309 of 14412
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

I'm not aware of anything that's better all around than the GR07. You'll always be giving something up. For example the Phonak PFE232 - it has a similar balance to the GR07 (a little more bass perhaps) and is more resolving overall with better soundstage depth, layering, and imaging. However, it has more recessed mids than the GR07, there's no improvement in clarity, and it's at least twice as expensive as the GR07.

 

When I had the Westone 4R for 3 weeks I thought they were technically superior to the GR07 all around, just the fit wasn't for me. That was the clearance sale @ $299 though. 

post #12310 of 14412

How does the GR07 Bass Edition compare to the JVC FXT-90?

post #12311 of 14412
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

Playing around with different tips is definitely a good idea. Not sure what the B2 comes with these days but there should be some Complys included. I also got good results with thick/narrow opening single-flange tips (from an older Shure set) as well as triple-flanges if they are comfortable for you.
 
Beyond that there's always the EQ - the 5 - 8k range usually contains most of the sibilance. 

 

They come with a few sets of standard silicone tips and a pair of Comply foamies. With the savings I made I'd already ordered some Westone True Tips as I find the foam style tips to be really comfortable for longer listening. I have my own collection of assorted tips which I'll have a go with over the course of the weekend/next week. I'll certainly be trying out the Comply's and triple-flanges first.

 

As for the EQ, excellent. I'll drop a couple of dB on that range and see how it goes.

 

Joker... you're the best :)

post #12312 of 14412

thanks for the reply , im thinking of going with ie800 or fidelio s1 or rha 750 , i want some bass , nice mids , and sparky highs , which one should i go for ?

post #12313 of 14412

I thank Joker and the rest for helping people choose an earphone, I finally found something I fell inlove with, Sony MH1C, low cost, butter smooth, nothing too much or too less, almost perfect to my ears.

MH1 for me sounds almost perfect, it has an incredible smoothness that no matter how loud you listen there is nothing in particular to disturb you except for the volume itself.

 

The thing is I HATE the heavy CABLE, mic and asimetrical design, I want something with small housings and normal cable, no mic, that can be worn both straight or over the ear, is there something similar to MH1C that fits my description?

post #12314 of 14412
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Originally Posted by cibibikeru View Post
 

I thank Joker and the rest for helping people choose an earphone, I finally found something I fell inlove with, Sony MH1C, low cost, butter smooth, nothing too much or too less, almost perfect to my ears.

MH1 for me sounds almost perfect, it has an incredible smoothness that no matter how loud you listen there is nothing in particular to disturb you except for the volume itself.

 

The thing is I HATE the heavy CABLE, mic and asimetrical design, I want something with small housings and normal cable, no mic, that can be worn both straight or over the ear, is there something similar to MH1C that fits my description?

 

I'd suggest the SteelSeries Flux, which is an excellent value at around $50 but sometimes it has gone on sale for as low as $25.  I too hated the cable of the MH1 to the point of not using it but the Flux has a thinner, more flexible flat cable that still has a mic/remote and works with any android/iphone as well.  Comparatively it has a little less warmth and less of a bass tilt, but the mids are a bit more forward and it is definitely more transparent side by side.  Treble is never harsh like the MH1 and is a bit more extended it seems.  It would sound great out of your Clip+ too :cool:

post #12315 of 14412
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDFMK View Post
 

How does the GR07 Bass Edition compare to the JVC FXT-90?

 

The FXT90 has a bit more mid-bass while the GR07 is more level in the bass region and sounds a bit tighter. The FXT90 is more forward overall. The GR07 is less warm, brighter, a bit clearer, and has a more out-of-the-head presentation.

 

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Originally Posted by ElcomeSoft View Post
 

 

They come with a few sets of standard silicone tips and a pair of Comply foamies. With the savings I made I'd already ordered some Westone True Tips as I find the foam style tips to be really comfortable for longer listening. I have my own collection of assorted tips which I'll have a go with over the course of the weekend/next week. I'll certainly be trying out the Comply's and triple-flanges first.

 

As for the EQ, excellent. I'll drop a couple of dB on that range and see how it goes.

 

Joker... you're the best :)

 

Good luck! :beerchug:

 

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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

thanks for the reply , im thinking of going with ie800 or fidelio s1 or rha 750 , i want some bass , nice mids , and sparky highs , which one should i go for ?

 

The TDK IE800? Never tried it. The RHA is more bass-oriented than the S1 and has less presence in the upper midrange and a less bright tone. The upper mids/treble of the S1 are more like the GR07 (good energy, not very forgiving) than the MA750. Anyway, both good earphones, just very different flavors.

 

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Originally Posted by cibibikeru View Post
 

I thank Joker and the rest for helping people choose an earphone, I finally found something I fell inlove with, Sony MH1C, low cost, butter smooth, nothing too much or too less, almost perfect to my ears.

MH1 for me sounds almost perfect, it has an incredible smoothness that no matter how loud you listen there is nothing in particular to disturb you except for the volume itself.

 

The thing is I HATE the heavy CABLE, mic and asimetrical design, I want something with small housings and normal cable, no mic, that can be worn both straight or over the ear, is there something similar to MH1C that fits my description?

 

In that price range the Flux is probably your best bet. Personally I don't think it's notably smoother than the MH1C but it definitely has a bit less bass and a more accurate overall sound. The cable on the Flux isn't great but it's symmetric and can be used over-the-ear. It does have a mic though. Staying in the price range there's just not much that can compete with the MH1C, especially considering you like the signature. Moving up into the $100-$150 range there's more options but nothing I can think of that ticks ALL the boxes per your requirements. 

 

Someone should really start recabling MH1Cs for a fee... it's easy to find a $10-20 donor IEM with vastly better cables.

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