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In addition to the fxt90, how does the custom art one sound in comparison to the re400?
Edited by FightBrothers - 11/6/13 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by FightBrothers View Post

In addition to the fxt90, how does the custom art one sound in comparison to the re400?

 

Music One vs RE-400

Music One is thicker-sounding overall and has more bass incl. depth. The bass is a touch less detailed on the Music One. The RE-400 sounds leaner and seems more mid-centric in comparison because it has less bass and treble. 

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hey joker , do you think you can have a go at the xb90ex ? thanks .

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Music One vs RE-400

Music One is thicker-sounding overall and has more bass incl. depth. The bass is a touch less detailed on the Music One. The RE-400 sounds leaner and seems more mid-centric in comparison because it has less bass and treble. 

 

Don't you think that the RE-400's sound presentation and sound stage are somehow congested and stifled comparing to the Music One (or the SE535 even more)?

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Don't you think that the RE-400's sound presentation and sound stage are somehow congested and stifled comparing to the Music One (or the SE535 even more)?

Based on the review, it seems like the M1 has a fair amount of sound stage depth and height with similar width compared to the GR07, which I'd say sounds noticeably wider compared to my RE-400.  I may not be the best at judging it, but I find the sound stage on the RE-400 to be fairly natural sounding with good dimensionality (or more well rounded with equal width/height/depth, slightly out of the head and fairly 3-dimensional).

 

I think the Music One is going to be my next purchase and first cIEM based off jokers impressions and comparison between those two (and the warm tone sounds appealing), but I have to wonder about the comments on comparative bass detail.  The tight, well extended and impactful bass described sound appealing to me but I am hoping this characteristic joker mentioned of the silicone shells that affects resolution and texture detail doesn't bring them below the RE-400 in that regard.  I suspect I'd still keep my GR07 and RE-400 regardless because both are excellent universals and it's always good to have back-ups. :o 


Edited by modulor - 11/6/13 at 2:02pm
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Hey ljokerl. I've been seriously enjoying the RE-400 after owning a lot of the under $400 iems. Its an amazing bang for your buck. But I've been thinking about customs for a while. Is the JH13 really enough improvement in quality to justify the price, especially when stuff is on the market like the RE-400? I would wear it a lot, probably 5 to 6 hours most days, but it would require me selling my over ear headphones to fund it. I'm on a budget and will probably only get the chance once to make this kind of purchase. And honestly, since we adopted our second daughter, finances have been tight; I'm already selling stuff to help cover costs so this would have to be an incredible value to make it worth what you can get from $100 RE-400 or a $300 HD600, etc. 

 

And on a side issue, do you find it pretty easy to take them out/reinsert them? I work in an office, but with my door open. When you're used to wearing customs, do they come in and out quick, or will I always be fiddling with them while someone is waiting, kind of like you do with an obnoxious memory wire like the SE535, a little iem like the er6i or a deep insertion iem. 

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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

hey joker , do you think you can have a go at the xb90ex ? thanks .

 

I doubt it. I don't have a PR/marketing contact for Sony and if I ever have a chance (i.e. spare time) to buy another set from Sony it would likely be one of their new EX-based hybrids.

 

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Don't you think that the RE-400's sound presentation and sound stage are somehow congested and stifled comparing to the Music One (or the SE535 even more)?

 

Yeah, I think that's true. It's a side effect of the more mid-centric balance. Better overall range usually gives better dynamics and a larger presentation. Some mildly v-shaped sets have unusually wide soundstages, e.g. the LG Quadbeat. 

 

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Based on the review, it seems like the M1 has a fair amount of sound stage depth and height with similar width compared to the GR07, which I'd say sounds noticeably wider compared to my RE-400.  I may not be the best at judging it, but I find the sound stage on the RE-400 to be fairly natural sounding with good dimensionality (or more well rounded with equal width/height/depth, slightly out of the head and fairly 3-dimensional).

 

I think the Music One is going to be my next purchase and first cIEM based off jokers impressions and comparison between those two (and the warm tone sounds appealing), but I have to wonder about the comments on comparative bass detail.  The tight, well extended and impactful bass described sound appealing to me but I am hoping this characteristic joker mentioned of the silicone shells that affects resolution and texture detail doesn't bring them below the RE-400 in that regard.  I suspect I'd still keep my GR07 and RE-400 regardless because both are excellent universals and it's always good to have back-ups. :o 

 

That's fair to say. 

 

The bass is pretty much the only area of the GR07 I preferred to the Music One. 

 

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Hey ljokerl. I've been seriously enjoying the RE-400 after owning a lot of the under $400 iems. Its an amazing bang for your buck. But I've been thinking about customs for a while. Is the JH13 really enough improvement in quality to justify the price, especially when stuff is on the market like the RE-400? I would wear it a lot, probably 5 to 6 hours most days, but it would require me selling my over ear headphones to fund it. I'm on a budget and will probably only get the chance once to make this kind of purchase. And honestly, since we adopted our second daughter, finances have been tight; I'm already selling stuff to help cover costs so this would have to be an incredible value to make it worth what you can get from $100 RE-400 or a $300 HD600, etc. 

 

And on a side issue, do you find it pretty easy to take them out/reinsert them? I work in an office, but with my door open. When you're used to wearing customs, do they come in and out quick, or will I always be fiddling with them while someone is waiting, kind of like you do with an obnoxious memory wire like the SE535, a little iem like the er6i or a deep insertion iem. 

 

Justifying the price is a difficult concept. Does the RE-400 justify its price increase over the Monoprice 8320? It's definitely a better earphone, but it's also 15 times more expensive. I can enjoy the RE-400 and would definitely be happy with it as my sole earphone if it was my only remaining set, but I would without a doubt occasionally catch myself thinking of what might have been. That part probably depends on the person as much as the earphones :o

 

Regarding the sound differences, I'll quote from my JH13 vs RE-600 comparison since, for most purposes, the RE-600 and RE-400 are similar enough to substitute for each other when comparing them with other earphones:

 

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 The biggest difference between the RE-600 and JH13 is the treble – the HiFiMan set sounds dull and lacks treble presence in comparison. Its tone is a little warmer overall and there is a touch more bass bleed and less clarity than with the armature-based JH13. The JH13, due in large part to its tighter bass and superior treble presence, appears a little more detailed and textured, and boasts a more spacious and airy presentation with better imaging.

 

As for reinserting them, it really depends on how they were made and how they fit in your ear (and probably your ear shape as well). Some of my customs are tighter than others and some have longer canals. The JH13 is not too tight and has a medium-to-long canal length so it's pretty easy to take off and put on. It also has a very smooth shell, which helps. There's a rotating motion that goes into putting them on/taking them off. Takes only a second to do - there was a 1964EARS video floating around somewhere showing it. You can probably gauge how long it takes from that (let me know if you can't find it and I'll take a look). 

 

For fast/no-frills removal/reinsertion I still think a shallow-fit universal is unbeatable but a well-fitting acrylic custom is easier and quicker than, say, an Ety, at least for me.

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Joker, Aside from CIEM, can you please recommend me with universal below 500usd. With airy, large soundstage, good separation and imaging like the IE8, but more balanced and less bass.


Edited by widdyjudas - 11/6/13 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

Based on the review, it seems like the M1 has a fair amount of sound stage depth and height with similar width compared to the GR07, which I'd say sounds noticeably wider compared to my RE-400.  I may not be the best at judging it, but I find the sound stage on the RE-400 to be fairly natural sounding with good dimensionality (or more well rounded with equal width/height/depth, slightly out of the head and fairly 3-dimensional).

 

I think the Music One is going to be my next purchase and first cIEM based off jokers impressions and comparison between those two (and the warm tone sounds appealing), but I have to wonder about the comments on comparative bass detail.  The tight, well extended and impactful bass described sound appealing to me but I am hoping this characteristic joker mentioned of the silicone shells that affects resolution and texture detail doesn't bring them below the RE-400 in that regard.  I suspect I'd still keep my GR07 and RE-400 regardless because both are excellent universals and it's always good to have back-ups. :o 


My Pro 330s from The Custom Art offer up amazing texture.  The bass may not be as tight/sharp as the JH13pro but voices and other analog instruments seem a little more real.  I don't believe silicone robs texture.

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Originally Posted by vivianrichard View Post
 

Hi, Joker, 

Sony XB90EX is expensive for me.  But I really interested in why it is at this price??? Beyond USD 100.   

Voice quality?

Perfect Design?

 

Maybe For someones it is worth.

 

  thanks joker ,
 ahh , i forgot about the price in us , its cheaper here , $60 , xb90 has not been officially lunched in us i think , thats why the prices are high .

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Hi Joker,

 

Can you please tell me how the EPH-100 compares to the MH1C? Is it a significant upgrade in the sound? Is it a logical upgrade to the Mh1C or does it sound different? Also, how comfortable are these for smaller canals? I use the smallest size tips for all IEMs. If not these what would you recommend as an upgrade to the MH1c with slightly more forward mids?

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Originally Posted by vivianrichard View Post
 

Hi, Joker, 

Sony XB90EX is expensive for me.  But I really interested in why it is at this price??? Beyond USD 100.   

Voice quality?

Perfect Design?

 

Maybe For someones it is worth.

 

Are you asking why certain IEMs cost over $100 or why the XB90EX does specifically? There are earphones that cost way more than that...

 

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Originally Posted by widdyjudas View Post
 

Joker, Aside from CIEM, can you please recommend me with universal below 500usd. With airy, large soundstage, good separation and imaging like the IE8, but more balanced and less bass.

 

Sony MDR-EX1000. Doesn't really get larger and airier than that. 

 

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Originally Posted by Jozurr View Post
 

Hi Joker,

 

Can you please tell me how the EPH-100 compares to the MH1C? Is it a significant upgrade in the sound? Is it a logical upgrade to the Mh1C or does it sound different? Also, how comfortable are these for smaller canals? I use the smallest size tips for all IEMs. If not these what would you recommend as an upgrade to the MH1c with slightly more forward mids?


More bass, more mids, and the treble is not as smooth as with the MH1C.

 

I think it is a good upgrade but I wouldn't recommend it if you have smaller canals. The MH1C is not easy to upgrade from - there's just not many higher-end dynamics that have such warm and smooth sound. The RBH EP2 comes to mind but it's not a very significant upgrade for a whole lot more $$. You might be better off keeping the MH1C and playing with the EQ a little. 

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Joker, thanks for the reply. However, I heard that the ex1000 have a bad isolation, so its not very good for commuting. I want to use this for outdoor.

Any other recommendation from universal Multi BA (shure/westone or other)? It doesn't need to have the largest soundstage and airy, maybe on IE8 level or below 1 level?

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are mh-1 and mh1c same phones with some cosmetic changes ?

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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

are mh-1 and mh1c same phones with some cosmetic changes ?

Quoting ClieOS from the MH1 thread

 

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

They are pretty much same sounding. The different in sound for old and new MH1(including MH1C) is a result of different filter material, and has nothing to do with whether it is a MH1 or MH1C - and the only way to know what kind if filter is used is to buy a pair and look at the filter yourself. However, as far as I know, the difference between the different filter is not that big.

 

Apart from compatibility of course

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