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post #13006 of 14118

joker, have you tried the ckm500 little sibling, the ckm300? I'm wondering because you did review the 500 before didnt you?

post #13007 of 14118

Joker,

I recently purchased the MA750s. While I think I have really found a good sounding set of IEMs for the money, they kill my ears. For some reason they end up resting on my lower lobe and just become painful. I wear mine on longer flights so they have to be comfortable. So now, I am looking for something with a similar sound signature. If I had to be picky, the 750s are a touch thicker than I like in the lower mids and I could stand for a touch more detail in the upper registers. I do like the sub bass though. Not a bass head but there is something about the elevation in this region that I really like. What would you recommend I look towards in the same price range. I'll figure out the comfort issue on my own. I just want sound recommendations.

post #13008 of 14118

What are IEMs like for gaming?

post #13009 of 14118
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

Interesting question. I would say:

 

$50-100: VSonic VC02 or Etymotic Research MC5, MEElec A161P if you want to jump into BA right away

$100-200: Etymotic HF5 or Rock-It Sounds R-50/VSonic VC1000/Brainwavz B2

$200+: Etymotic ER4S, j-Phonic K2 SP (if you're in Japan)

Customs: 1964EARS V6-Stage (balanced), JHAudio JH13 Pro (bassier), Hidition NT 6 (brighter)

 

I bolded my personal picks at each level. 


Big thanks. :)

 

What about Logitech UE700 and Fischer DBA-02 mkII, regarding their sound signature?

post #13010 of 14118
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Originally Posted by awtryau89 View Post
 

Joker,

I recently purchased the MA750s. While I think I have really found a good sounding set of IEMs for the money, they kill my ears. For some reason they end up resting on my lower lobe and just become painful. I wear mine on longer flights so they have to be comfortable. So now, I am looking for something with a similar sound signature. If I had to be picky, the 750s are a touch thicker than I like in the lower mids and I could stand for a touch more detail in the upper registers. I do like the sub bass though. Not a bass head but there is something about the elevation in this region that I really like. What would you recommend I look towards in the same price range. I'll figure out the comfort issue on my own. I just want sound recommendations.

 

PFEs with grey filters might be a good choice for your criteria if you have a powerful source like X3.

post #13011 of 14118

+1 ozkan... Phonak PFE012 with grey filters sounds amazing. Very hard to beat at that price.

post #13012 of 14118
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mdraluck23 View Post
 

Deciding between B2's, VC1000's (~125) and a used pair of ER4S (~190) or similar. Anybody have thoughts? Comfort is huge, and I like to wear over ear... Not mandatory though. I had R-50's and want something similar, but a little smoother, just a touch. (maybe a slight bass quantity bump just a liiittleeeeee)

 

GR01 might be a better option than the VC1000 for you - it's even less bright. Otherwise the VC1000 is currently my favorite of the TWFKs and of course the ER4S is a long-time favorite. It doesn't have harshness but it also doesn't really sound weightier than the R-50 the way the GR01 does.

 

I've never really gotten good at wearing the Etys over the ear. The VC1000/GR01 can be a bit of a challenge too as they are pretty long but with a makeshift cable cinch I've managed to do so just fine - better than with the ER4S. ER4PT might be better at this since it has a softer twisted cable. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by bms44974 View Post
 

@ljokerl: I don't know how you keep up! With the number of times I have referred new users to this thread, perhaps it should be required reading for joining:wink_face:

 

It's an uphill battle ;)

 

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Originally Posted by PotatoEars View Post
 

joker, have you tried the ckm500 little sibling, the ckm300? I'm wondering because you did review the 500 before didnt you?

 

I did review the CKM500 but haven't tried the CKM300.

 

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Originally Posted by awtryau89 View Post
 

Joker,

I recently purchased the MA750s. While I think I have really found a good sounding set of IEMs for the money, they kill my ears. For some reason they end up resting on my lower lobe and just become painful. I wear mine on longer flights so they have to be comfortable. So now, I am looking for something with a similar sound signature. If I had to be picky, the 750s are a touch thicker than I like in the lower mids and I could stand for a touch more detail in the upper registers. I do like the sub bass though. Not a bass head but there is something about the elevation in this region that I really like. What would you recommend I look towards in the same price range. I'll figure out the comfort issue on my own. I just want sound recommendations.

 

Hmm... seems like the earhook section might be too long for you and isn't "suspending" the earphones properly. Before you send them back you might want to try re-shaping that earhook so that it's smaller and keeps the earphones from touching the bottom of your outer ear. It can be re-shaped by first heating it up with a hair dryer.

 

I think the Dunu DN-1000 would be a good match for you sound-wise but it's not a small earphone and is more expensive. It doesn't flare out like the MA750, though, so its fit might work better.

 

EPH-100 can be a viable option as well - it's much smaller with at least as much deep bass as the MA750, more midrange presence, a little less lower treble energy but comes back in higher up and extends really well. 

 

Couple more that might work - Klipsch X10 (super comfortable and good bass but always a little lacking in treble presence for me), VSonic GR07BE (on the pricy side and not as much subbass as MA750 by a chunk), and JVC FXT90 (more v-shaped than MA750 and has more mid-bass than subbass, but should be the cheapest of the bunch). 

 

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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post
 

What are IEMs like for gaming?

 

Don't do much of that so hopefully someone else can answer. 

 

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Originally Posted by 991 Carrera 4S View Post
 


Big thanks. :)

 

What about Logitech UE700 and Fischer DBA-02 mkII, regarding their sound signature?

 

Both use similar drivers and sound very similar to the cheaper B2 and VC1000 that I listed. There are a couple of others that use a similar setup, too, like the Nocs NS-800 and Phiaton PS200. No use listing them all. 

post #13013 of 14118
I give up on IEMs. I've tried all sorts of tips and they all hurt after a very short while. Then the other day someone gave me a free Final Audio Design Adagio II which I believe is at the low end of its range and I am shocked. It's so comfortable. Based on my untrained ears is it because the Adagio seems to have a very short plastic tip? From what I can see of quite a lot of IEMs the plastic tip (or metal depending on the IEM of course) seems quite near the end of the rubber or silicone tip but in the case of the Adagio II it is a further distance away. Can more experienced IEM users enlighten me? This could be the start of my IEM search. Thanks.
post #13014 of 14118

Hi Joker,

 

Maybe this has been asked before, but what are the songs you used for testing the iems ?

Would you mind to share?

 

To show my gratitude, here are the iems were purchased and to be purchased just based on your review :

-Phonak pfe012 for myself ( Love it, But somehow, I have upgarded to Heir Audio 4.ai after 2years of using pfe012 )

-Vsonic GR07 for my wife ( She really loves them, but sadly the right side of this iems has died )

-Vsonic VC02 for my lil sister ( She likes it for the relaxing sound produced by these iems )

-Vsonic GR06 for my lil brother ( He likes it, and now...  I have just placed an order Dunu DN1000 for him after reading your review ).

 

From a happy thread follower.

post #13015 of 14118
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

Don't do much of that so hopefully someone else can answer. 

 

MadLustEnvy might be a good person to ask about gaming-related questions.

post #13016 of 14118

Hi,

 

can you guys give me some recommendations? I´m looking for:

 

- TONS of kickbass (low-mid and mid-bass). Everything under 50Hz will be dialed down via EQ, so sub-bass is no big deal but I wouldn`t complain either.

- Suitable for long listening sessions: Mids and Highs shouldn`t be too agressive or overly analytic.

- Good sound stage

- Price ~50$

- Compact case size if possible

 

These caught my eye:

- Signature Acoustics Elements C-12 (looks promising sound wise but the case might be a bit too big)

- Sonic GR02 Bass Edition (Maybe not enough kickbass? And I saw some people complaining about the highs being a bit too harsh)

 

I mostly listen to RHCP, all kinds of rock and pop.

post #13017 of 14118
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Originally Posted by Headnod View Post
 

Hi,

 

can you guys give me some recommendations? I´m looking for:

 

- TONS of kickbass (low-mid and mid-bass). Everything under 50Hz will be dialed down via EQ, so sub-bass is no big deal but I wouldn`t complain either.

- Suitable for long listening sessions: Mids and Highs shouldn`t be too agressive or overly analytic.

- Good sound stage

- Price ~50$

- Compact case size if possible

 

These caught my eye:

- Signature Acoustics Elements C-12 (looks promising sound wise but the case might be a bit too big)

- Sonic GR02 Bass Edition (Maybe not enough kickbass? And I saw some people complaining about the highs being a bit too harsh)

 

I mostly listen to RHCP, all kinds of rock and pop.

 

    i think you can consider ah-c100 , after 50 hrs of burning , they are close to your requirements . may be prefect . tons of good quality bass , nice sound stage , price is like $45 , compact case too with comply tips , and not the cheaper one , its a tx-400 , i have it , nice one , and has a mic with 3 control buttons . not heavy at all , and strong cable , joker had a bad experience with denon , he wont even try one .

post #13018 of 14118
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post
 

What are IEMs like for gaming?

most professional player actually use 2-3 set of headphone at once, they hang the headset on their neck just for their microphone, wears IEM to hear commands and alerts from teammates , since they commonly use IEM from other manufacturer than their sponsor, they can cover it with the aforementioned headset , or if playing a noisy and open stage , noise isolation only headphones

 

as for the difference between IEM and headphone, it will mostly be on smaller soundstage

post #13019 of 14118
Hey, I'm still here tongue.gif and for some reason scared to actually go and buy the JVC FXD80. I remember you said you preferred the A161P - is that just because you like a more balanced sound?

I've sort of asked this question before, but would I be better off in any way if I were to spend a little more and get a more expensive headphone (preferably with a mic, not too bothered about 1 or 3 button) ?
Edited by AgentJ - 2/21/14 at 5:00pm
post #13020 of 14118
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by georgelai57 View Post

I give up on IEMs. I've tried all sorts of tips and they all hurt after a very short while. Then the other day someone gave me a free Final Audio Design Adagio II which I believe is at the low end of its range and I am shocked. It's so comfortable. Based on my untrained ears is it because the Adagio seems to have a very short plastic tip? From what I can see of quite a lot of IEMs the plastic tip (or metal depending on the IEM of course) seems quite near the end of the rubber or silicone tip but in the case of the Adagio II it is a further distance away. Can more experienced IEM users enlighten me? This could be the start of my IEM search. Thanks.

 

I have an Adagio III and I think it’s very comfortable, but more likely a combination of the really light weight (of both the earpieces and the cable) and the skinny design that doesn’t push against any part of the ear when worn. They also don’t need to be inserted very deeply, it appears.

 

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Originally Posted by casanova View Post
 

Hi Joker,

 

Maybe this has been asked before, but what are the songs you used for testing the iems ?

Would you mind to share?

 

To show my gratitude, here are the iems were purchased and to be purchased just based on your review :

-Phonak pfe012 for myself ( Love it, But somehow, I have upgarded to Heir Audio 4.ai after 2years of using pfe012 )

-Vsonic GR07 for my wife ( She really loves them, but sadly the right side of this iems has died )

-Vsonic VC02 for my lil sister ( She likes it for the relaxing sound produced by these iems )

-Vsonic GR06 for my lil brother ( He likes it, and now...  I have just placed an order Dunu DN1000 for him after reading your review ).

 

From a happy thread follower.

 

I have a folder of selected test tracks but they comprise maybe 20% of my listening during reviews. Most of the time I just have my collection on shuffle and end up swapping between the headphones I’m comparing back and forth across as many tracks as I need to get a good impression of sound differences.

 

That’s not to say I don’t have favorites – I posted some of my fave albums on InnerFidelity here: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/more-less-vsonic-vsd1-and-vsd1s#comment-490645

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Headnod View Post
 

Hi,

 

can you guys give me some recommendations? I´m looking for:

 

- TONS of kickbass (low-mid and mid-bass). Everything under 50Hz will be dialed down via EQ, so sub-bass is no big deal but I wouldn`t complain either.

- Suitable for long listening sessions: Mids and Highs shouldn`t be too agressive or overly analytic.

- Good sound stage

- Price ~50$

- Compact case size if possible

 

These caught my eye:

- Signature Acoustics Elements C-12 (looks promising sound wise but the case might be a bit too big)

- Sonic GR02 Bass Edition (Maybe not enough kickbass? And I saw some people complaining about the highs being a bit too harsh)

 

I mostly listen to RHCP, all kinds of rock and pop.

 

I would say Padacs Aksent but it seems to be out of stock. The GR02 BE may not have enough mid-bass and definitely can be a little harsh. ATH-CKM500 is better for what you’re after on both counts and looks to be around $55 on amazon. It’s still a little harsh but not as bad as the GR02 and has better overall sound quality.

 

C12 is also an option – not quite as good as the CKM500 or GR02 but it has lots of mid-bass and sounds okay overall. It comes with a very compact leather case so no problem there.

 

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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

 

    i think you can consider ah-c100 , after 50 hrs of burning , they are close to your requirements . may be prefect . tons of good quality bass , nice sound stage , price is like $45 , compact case too with comply tips , and not the cheaper one , its a tx-400 , i have it , nice one , and has a mic with 3 control buttons . not heavy at all , and strong cable , joker had a bad experience with denon , he wont even try one .

 

That’s not entirely true – I just thought the C260 or whatever the last one I reviewed was, was crap. I would try another Denon IEM – just not going to go out and buy one.

 

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Originally Posted by AgentJ View Post

Hey, I'm still here tongue.gif and for some reason scared to actually go and buy the JVC FXD80. I remember you said you preferred the A161P - is that just because you like a more balanced sound?

I've sort of asked this question before, but would I be better off in any way if I were to spend a little more and get a more expensive headphone (preferably with a mic, not too bothered about 1 or 3 button) ?

 

Yes, I liked the more balanced sound of the A161P.

 

Spending more is always a personal choice. Above the price range you're looking at things like the Etymotic HF3 (for balanced sound) and RHA MA750 for bass-heavy sound. 

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