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post #12916 of 14151
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Originally Posted by lolhart View Post

I've briefly read some of the articles on head-fi and these sound interesting.  However, I'm a bit nervous about buying them blind at that price.  How is the isolation on the FA-4Es?


I was going to give these a try, but I've read a couple of comments that the bass is somewhat lacking.

I couldnt recommend these high enough.
Imo they beat pretty much all the iem beeing duscusssed here and I've had them nearly all.isolation and comfort are preferable to me than a custom even.
post #12917 of 14151
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Those are all discontinued - the current-gen replacements would be the SM64 (though it sounds different from the SM3), the Westone UM Pro 30, and the Westone 40. 

Thanks for the response! Which of those three has the smoothest sound signature with the least piercing treble that's perfect for dnb with good bass lines(least important), rock, and vocals? I definitely want to give westone or earsonics a try since they have such positive feedback.
Edited by b0000 - 2/12/14 at 11:22am
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I'm looking for a $100-200 IEM for only rap/hip-hop

- I own a DT 770 PRO 32 ohm, but I don't want to use it for portable reasons anymore
- Want something more bassy and fun
- Past headphones include ATH-M50, V-Moda M100. Bass level should be around the same as the M100
- I have a portable amp but I prefer to drive them directly from my iPod Classic
- I ordered the Monoprice 8320 for the timebeing, should get em sometime this week


Basically I'm looking for an IEM with the closest sound signature to the V-Moda M100, any help?

post #12919 of 14151
Thanks for the excellent Dunu DN-1000 review ljokerl. I'm now very tempted to get one however being an owner of the Phonak PFE232 which is pretty much V shaped, I'm wondering how does the DN-1000 compare. Is the mid frequency of the DN-1000 as recessed as the PFE232 which was the only drawback to the otherwise excellent PFE232. I'm sure the bass of the DN-1000 is deeper than the PFE232, but is the treble region as pesky occasionally? Will the DN-1000 be a good upgrade to the PFE232? I'm anxiously awaiting your opinion before taking the plunge. Thanks in advance.
Edited by Francisk - 2/12/14 at 4:26pm
post #12920 of 14151
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Originally Posted by canuckavelli View Post


"Basically I'm looking for an IEM with the closest sound signature to the V-Moda M100, any help?"

Same dilemma here.. Is the DN-1000 a great choice?
post #12921 of 14151
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Originally Posted by zeppu08 View Post

Same dilemma here.. Is the DN-1000 a great choice?

I'm leaning at the Yamaha eph-100 at this point.
post #12922 of 14151
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Originally Posted by canuckavelli View Post

I'm leaning at the Yamaha eph-100 at this point.

Have you tried auditioning it? BTW whats your source?
post #12923 of 14151
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Originally Posted by zeppu08 View Post

Have you tried auditioning it? BTW whats your source?

Naw haven't auditioned any iems yet. This will be for my portable setup so iPod classic and e07k if needed.
post #12924 of 14151
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Originally Posted by djvkool View Post
 

 

Fantastic mate - completely agree, the superb DN1K is an absolute killer of an IEM

 

Hopefully now with your stamp of approval, more and more people will buy it

 

Thanks, I’m definitely not surprised that the DN-1000 has found numerous supporters! I haven’t heard some of the other mid-range hybrid IEMs out there but for me Dunu has raised the bar with these.

 

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Originally Posted by chubristic View Post
 

Thank you joker, I will look into the DN-1000 more now. The wide selection of earpieces also appeals to me. Another problem with IEMs I've had in the past was that I always had a hard time finding one that fit.

 

Yeah, Dunu always does a good job with this sort of thing. There’s only so many ways you can wear an earphone with this design but lack of silicone tips won’t be an issue.

 

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Originally Posted by b0000 View Post


Thanks for the response! Which of those three has the smoothest sound signature with the least piercing treble that's perfect for dnb with good bass lines(least important), rock, and vocals? I definitely want to give westone or earsonics a try since they have such positive feedback.

 

They’re all pretty smooth. The SM3 probably has the least treble emphasis but also tends to sound a bit thick and “creamy” for my taste. The SM64 is better in that regard but also doesn’t really make me think of the LCD-2 when I listen to it. I suppose if I had to pick just one IEM between EarSonics and Westone per your requirements I’d go for the UM Pro 30 / UM3X.

 

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Originally Posted by canuckavelli View Post
 

I'm looking for a $100-200 IEM for only rap/hip-hop

- I own a DT 770 PRO 32 ohm, but I don't want to use it for portable reasons anymore
- Want something more bassy and fun
- Past headphones include ATH-M50, V-Moda M100. Bass level should be around the same as the M100
- I have a portable amp but I prefer to drive them directly from my iPod Classic
- I ordered the Monoprice 8320 for the timebeing, should get em sometime this week


Basically I'm looking for an IEM with the closest sound signature to the V-Moda M100, any help?

 

I haven’t tried the M100 but for IEMs with plentiful bass in that price range I would recommend:

Yamaha EPH-100 – solid, deep bass, strong and warm mids, mostly smooth treble with a rise pretty high up

RHA MA750 – similarly solid bass but with a slightly more v-shaped signature – less mids and more emphasis in the lower treble – compared to the Yamaha

Dunu DN1000 – a bit less “bassy” in the conventional sense than the two sets above but still pretty powerful. Has a v-shaped signature but with on another level in terms of clarity thanks to the hybrid design.

 

The EPH-100 is what I’ve recommended in the past for V-Moda M-80 owners and everyone who’s gotten back to me has been happy with it.

 

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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post

Thanks for the excellent Dunu DN-1000 review ljokerl. I'm now very tempted to get one however being an owner of the Phonak PFE232 which is pretty much V shaped, I'm wondering how does the DN-1000 compare. Is the mid frequency of the DN-1000 as recessed as the PFE232 which was the only drawback to the otherwise excellent PFE232. I'm sure the bass of the DN-1000 is deeper than the PFE232, but is the treble region as pesky occasionally? Will the DN-1000 be a good upgrade to the PFE232? I'm anxiously awaiting your opinion before taking the plunge. Thanks in advance.

 

The DN-1000 is not as mid-recessed as the PFE232. Bass is not necessarily deeper (the PFE232 already extends pretty far down) but more impactful and full-bodied. The DN-1000 does not have perfectly smooth treble but its peaks occur in a different area of the treble compared to the Phonaks, so it may work better for you in that regard, too. 

post #12925 of 14151
Hi...i'm searching for a iem for jazz,vocal jazz and a little bit of rock 70/80 and pop..my budget is around 250/320$.. I saw Heir 4ai..is it a Good choice? Any help please?
post #12926 of 14151
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Thanks, I’m definitely not surprised that the DN-1000 has found numerous supporters! I haven’t heard some of the other mid-range hybrid IEMs out there but for me Dunu has raised the bar with these.


Yeah, Dunu always does a good job with this sort of thing. There’s only so many ways you can wear an earphone with this design but lack of silicone tips won’t be an issue.


They’re all pretty smooth. The SM3 probably has the least treble emphasis but also tends to sound a bit thick and “creamy” for my taste. The SM64 is better in that regard but also doesn’t really make me think of the LCD-2 when I listen to it. I suppose if I had to pick just one IEM between EarSonics and Westone per your requirements I’d go for the UM Pro 30 / UM3X.

 



I haven’t tried the M100 but for IEMs with plentiful bass in that price range I would recommend:



Yamaha EPH-100 – solid, deep bass, strong and warm mids, mostly smooth treble with a rise pretty high up



RHA MA750 – similarly solid bass but with a slightly more v-shaped signature – less mids and more emphasis in the lower treble – compared to the Yamaha



Dunu DN1000 – a bit less “bassy” in the conventional sense than the two sets above but still pretty powerful. Has a v-shaped signature but with on another level in terms of clarity thanks to the hybrid design.



 



The EPH-100 is what I’ve recommended in the past for V-Moda M-80 owners and everyone who’s gotten back to me has been happy with it.





The DN-1000 is not as mid-recessed as the PFE232. Bass is not necessarily deeper (the PFE232 already extends pretty far down) but more impactful and full-bodied. The DN-1000 does not have perfectly smooth treble but its peaks occur in a different area of the treble compared to the Phonaks, so it may work better for you in that regard, too. 

Thanks a lot for the reply Joker.

Yeah atm I am leaning towards the yamaha. How would the following compare to the ones you listed: shure se215, wooduo 2, gr07 bass edition, nuforce 700m/x.

Also do you glasses wearers should stay away from around the ear designs and stick to straight down?
Edited by canuckavelli - 2/13/14 at 5:49am
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So the availability of the DN-1000's are pretty limited where I'm currently at, I'll definitely try to get them once I am back in the states. For now, I got the RHA MA750i. Was really debating that with the EPH-100. Hopefully I made the right choice. The 3-year warranty is nice. The build quality looks strong, and knowing how I am, I can use sturdy IEMs. Though I really wanted to experience the isolation on both of them, based on joker's review, the eph-100 had better isolation. But I'm sure I'll be happy with what I ordered. It actually will arrive tomorrow, I'm excited :)

 

Also, question... IEMs don't really need to be "burned in" do they? Sorry, first IEM. And if I do need to, is there a certain technique? Play pink noise and white noise through it?


Edited by chubristic - 2/13/14 at 6:56am
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Thanks for your reply joker, I might just take the plunge based on your comparison with the Phonak PFE232.

post #12929 of 14151
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Originally Posted by chubristic View Post
 

Also, question... IEMs don't really need to be "burned in" do they? Sorry, first IEM. And if I do need to, is there a certain technique? Play pink noise and white noise through it?

 

    just play your music , there has not been a particular method to burn in IEMs but you can do any thing , white noise is said to be the best , and i personally use white noise with frequencies , 20hz , 30hz and so on with frequency sweeps , like a 30 sec sweep of 20hz to 30khz .

post #12930 of 14151
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Originally Posted by steelglam View Post
 

Thanks, ljokerl.

 

I actually don't think I have a problem with IEMs that have thicker note presentation.  In fact, I think a big part of the reason that the HiFiMAN Re-0 spent the least time in my possession out of all the IEMs that I've tried is because of the lean presentation (also they were too bright for my taste).  The note thickness was actually one of the things that I most liked about the Vsonic GR99's; what I didn't like about them was that things seemed too veiled (not sure if that was due to too much of a bass bump or the speed of the driver).

 

I think the problems that I had with the CC51's were the presentation of the mids (too far back) and the lack of air.  The SHE3580's got the presentation of the mids and the tonal balance correct for my taste, but they just didn't resolve enough and were a bit lean.  This is where the JVC HA-FXT90's came in: they delivered a thicker note presentation (same goes for the GR99's) and got the clarity, resolution, airiness, speed, imaging, and expansiveness aspects correct for my taste.  When I first got the JVC's, it was eye opening what I had been missing with the less expensive models that I've tried.  But the tonal balance and forwardness of the JVC's is just off for my tastes; they make me fatigued. 

 

If there was some way to combine the SHE3580's tonal balance and presentation of the mids with the above qualities that I like about JVC's, I think it would be pretty close to what I was after.    

 

Hi ljokerl,

 

So, I was able to get a hold of a pair of EPH-100's and have listened to them for the past several weeks, and your prediction was definitely correct that these would not be for me.  I actually find myself having a fairly strong aversion to them.  I don't think I've ever had a pair of earphones where I felt a strong need to simultaneously decrease both the bass and treble.  I also found the imaging/presentation confusing, the speed too slow, and the dynamics lacking.  And instruments sound two-dimensional to my ears (like there is some detail in the instruments that is not being transferred).  All of this added up to a very unnatural sound to my ears.  I never thought that I would say this, but I actually prefer the Vsonic GR99's to the EPH-100's even though the veiled quality of the GR99's bothers me.  In other words, at least the GR99's present a coherent soundspace, convey the energy and dynamics better, and do not cause almost instantaneous fatigue.

 

I find myself pining for the clarity, speed, detail, imaging, dynamics, airiness, and naturalness (in terms of the timbre and realism/three-dimensionality) of the JVC HA-FXT90's.  Are there any IEM's that have all of these qualities of the JVC's but with a little more bass presence (it always seemed to me that there was some missing information in the bass region of the JVC's) and a little less aggressiveness in the upper mids/lower treble region?  I think that would get very close to what I am looking for.  Budget is $200 or below (preferably $150 and below, but I might be able to stretch it).

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