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post #12286 of 14123

I want to make an update about my SS flux that I bought few days ago. Although, they sound good, I discovered something. Since I wanted to test how better my flux are against my standard, white, original earbuds that are shipped with samsung galaxy s3, I found out that both of them sound equal. Now how is this possible?

 

I just listened to my mp3's on my s3 for about 2 hours, and was changing from ss flux to original samsung earbuds and for the love of god I could not make a difference between them. If I was not looking I would not have guessed to which of them I was listening to. That is insane, since ss flux has cost me 56€ and this samsung earbuds came with the phone. I always though that OEM earbudds are crap but since I listened to them for my first time today, I almost didnt belive to the sound I was hearing. They sounded exactly the same as SS flux (with less noise isolation).

 

Now, is something wrong with me, or is this normal? I was listening through original music player on my s3 and equalizor was set on "Rock".

 

Should I try .flac songs and see if there is any difference? Which songs are you recommending to be complex to see if there is any difference between those 2 in more complex songs. Because if I wont find any difference I will just return SS flux and use my original samsung earbuds that came with the fun. This is outrageous !!! 

post #12287 of 14123

I bought the Meelectonrics A161P during their CM sale due to your review.  Listening to them right now and this is so clear and detailed, easily the best IEM I've ever listened to.  Thanks!

post #12288 of 14123
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Roasty View Post
 

I've previously owned the Etymotic ER4P and ran it with a P-S converter, RSA Hornet, and lineout dock. This was years ago, and i've since sold off all of my gear.

 

If i'm looking to get back in the game, which (more recent) IEM in the Ety ER4 price range is a comparable buy in terms of sound quality? or should i just get another pair of the ER4P?

 

I would get another pair of the Etys unless you wanted to save some $$ by going with a different set. In the same price range and for the same sound, go for the ER4.

 

 
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

Hey joker,

I see that you're becoming an expert in CIEMs as well biggrin.gif

I got my first CIEMs a few days ago, the Mingo CM3 (single-BA acrylics OEMed by Unique Melody)

The issue: I'm getting a non-so-consistent seal. I get excellent seal with my head tilted down, less so with my head level, and no seal when lying down on a pillow.

Looking at the CIEMs they appear to be a 1st-bend "comfort fit". Reviewing the earmold instructions from Unique Melody (which I wasn't aware of at the time), it appears my molds were taken the right way (it amounts to "bite block" right?)

Not sure how to proceed. average_joe advised me to get a remold with a second bend fit. I am looking into doing that but two worries I have are:
1. Does a second-bend fit really improve fit across different postures, or does it just "improve" fit by making movements that would otherwise break the seal impossible? I am imagining the CIEMs "remolding" my ear canals when I try to lie down rolleyes.gif
2. Wondering about durability of the CIEMs. I'm careful to store the CIEMs only in the hard case they come in whenever I'm not using them. It seems a pair of CIEMs with longer canals and a narrow neck would be even more fragile, especially given how narrow my 2nd bend appears to be (judging by the end opening of my 1st bend CIEMs). I'm actually asking Mingo to ask Unique Melody if a 2nd bend molded pair of CIEMs is actually possible for me?

Hope average_joe doesn't mind me asking for a second opinion redface.gif

 

Completely unintended, I assure you. I love universals. 

 

I have quite a few shallowly-fitted CIEMs and even between those the seal differs. Some are a tighter than others and will stay sealed no matter what I do. Others - not so much. Canals that extend to the second bend help, but not as much as having a tight fit in the first place. One of my most secure customs is my 1964-V3, which has a fairly average canal length. 

 

When taking impressions for acrylic customs it's important to keep very still in my experience - no chewing, talking, smiling, etc, and to keep your head level to ensure that your ear canals will be in the same resting state as when you're listening. Other that the standard instructions are bite block + second bend impressions (even if you're getting shallow customs it helps for the technician to know where the ear canal is "headed", so to speak). 

 

Even with proper impressions there's a bit of a luck factor. I'm at about 85% success rate in terms of getting a perfect fit with identical impressions. Always a small chance of failure. 

 

As for durability, I'm ashamed to say I've not been kind to many of my CIEMs and haven't had any problems. Just be careful not to yank the cable in a way that breaks the pins off inside the earphones. Other than that, I doubt there's any danger no matter how your ears are shaped. I might have thicker canals than you but I'm quite sure my musician's fit sets wouldn't be damaged from a drop onto concrete.

 

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Originally Posted by mannkind246 View Post
 

Hello ljokerl,

I'm  looking for a good IEM that has sound signature close to Beyerdynamic DT880 (semi-opened big cans).

Someone suggests the Fischer Audio DBA-02 MKII. Do you have any comment?

What are the other IEMs can you suggest to me?

 

It's been a while since I heard the Beyers but from what I remember they were pretty neutral so the DBA-02 would be a pretty good match. You can also go for the less expensive but similarly-voiced VSonic VC1000.

 

Keep in mind that even with an IEM that closely matches its frequency response, the DT880 will still have an advantage in bass "feel" - rumble and impact and all that - because it can move lots more air. To get that from an IEM you would need a significantly bassier one than the DBA-02, like a Philips Fidelio S2 or GR07. Anyway, just keep in mind that you'll get more tactile bass from a DT880 compared to an "accurate" IEM.

 

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Originally Posted by garcsa View Post
 

Hi there, 

Anybody heard , about fake Yamaha EPH-100? 

 

Ooof. Never heard of EPH-100 fakes but I would have trouble trusting that $40 one.

 

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Originally Posted by neo5468 View Post
 

I want to make an update about my SS flux that I bought few days ago. Although, they sound good, I discovered something. Since I wanted to test how better my flux are against my standard, white, original earbuds that are shipped with samsung galaxy s3, I found out that both of them sound equal. Now how is this possible?

 

I just listened to my mp3's on my s3 for about 2 hours, and was changing from ss flux to original samsung earbuds and for the love of god I could not make a difference between them. If I was not looking I would not have guessed to which of them I was listening to. That is insane, since ss flux has cost me 56€ and this samsung earbuds came with the phone. I always though that OEM earbudds are crap but since I listened to them for my first time today, I almost didnt belive to the sound I was hearing. They sounded exactly the same as SS flux (with less noise isolation).

 

Now, is something wrong with me, or is this normal? I was listening through original music player on my s3 and equalizor was set on "Rock".

 

Should I try .flac songs and see if there is any difference? Which songs are you recommending to be complex to see if there is any difference between those 2 in more complex songs. Because if I wont find any difference I will just return SS flux and use my original samsung earbuds that came with the fun. This is outrageous !!! 

 

Sorry, never heard the Samsung stock buds. LG didn't even bother including any earphones with my new Nexus. Couple of possibilities to consider.

 

1. The Samsung buds really are that good

2. Whatever mp3 compression, DSP, and equalizer settings you are using are taking away from the overall sound quality and closing the gap between different earphones

3. Comparing two sets of earphones right away may not yield the best results. Take some time to get used to the Flux, use it exclusively for a week or so, and then switch back to see if you still can't tell a difference. It's likely the difference will be greater then, though again I haven't heard any Samsung stock earphones

4. Sensitivity to sound quality does vary a lot between listeners and with experience. It happens. For some people it takes time and training to pick up on audio subtleties. I know it did for me. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post
 

I bought the Meelectonrics A161P during their CM sale due to your review.  Listening to them right now and this is so clear and detailed, easily the best IEM I've ever listened to.  Thanks!

 

That was an excellent price. Glad you like them :beerchug: 

post #12289 of 14123
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

It's been a while since I heard the Beyers but from what I remember they were pretty neutral so the DBA-02 would be a pretty good match. You can also go for the less expensive but similarly-voiced VSonic VC1000.

 

Keep in mind that even with an IEM that closely matches its frequency response, the DT880 will still have an advantage in bass "feel" - rumble and impact and all that - because it can move lots more air. To get that from an IEM you would need a significantly bassier one than the DBA-02, like a Philips Fidelio S2 or GR07. Anyway, just keep in mind that you'll get more tactile bass from a DT880 compared to an "accurate" IEM.

So DBA-02 is the only option? Anything better than DBA-02?

post #12290 of 14123
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Originally Posted by neo5468 View Post
 

I want to make an update about my SS flux that I bought few days ago. Although, they sound good, I discovered something. Since I wanted to test how better my flux are against my standard, white, original earbuds that are shipped with samsung galaxy s3, I found out that both of them sound equal. Now how is this possible?

 

I just listened to my mp3's on my s3 for about 2 hours, and was changing from ss flux to original samsung earbuds and for the love of god I could not make a difference between them. If I was not looking I would not have guessed to which of them I was listening to. That is insane, since ss flux has cost me 56€ and this samsung earbuds came with the phone. I always though that OEM earbudds are crap but since I listened to them for my first time today, I almost didnt belive to the sound I was hearing. They sounded exactly the same as SS flux (with less noise isolation).

 

Now, is something wrong with me, or is this normal? I was listening through original music player on my s3 and equalizor was set on "Rock".

 

Should I try .flac songs and see if there is any difference? Which songs are you recommending to be complex to see if there is any difference between those 2 in more complex songs. Because if I wont find any difference I will just return SS flux and use my original samsung earbuds that came with the fun. This is outrageous !!! 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

Sorry, never heard the Samsung stock buds. LG didn't even bother including any earphones with my new Nexus. Couple of possibilities to consider.

 

1. The Samsung buds really are that good

2. Whatever mp3 compression, DSP, and equalizer settings you are using are taking away from the overall sound quality and closing the gap between different earphones

3. Comparing two sets of earphones right away may not yield the best results. Take some time to get used to the Flux, use it exclusively for a week or so, and then switch back to see if you still can't tell a difference. It's likely the difference will be greater then, though again I haven't heard any Samsung stock earphones

4. Sensitivity to sound quality does vary a lot between listeners and with experience. It happens. For some people it takes time and training to pick up on audio subtleties. I know it did for me. 

 

5. There's absolutely nothing wrong with you. To the contrary, yours are symptoms of a sanity that most of us here can't even faintly remember. Forget about trying flac and looking for more complex songs to help you spot minute differences in sound quality. That will only make you listen more to gear and less to music. Just return those SS Flux and enjoy what you have. There's still time for you to run and never look back. Good luck! ;) 

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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

I couldn't find anything specific but I suspect I may have one (purchased used) - there's something odd about it with the finish and strain reliefs so I'm curious if that is the case.  I just ordered another from a different seller with full retail packaging and will compare the two and post impressions here.

Thanks, saw them on Aliexpress for some 40 bucks...

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Christmas-Gift-Genuine-Original-EPH-100-Premuim-Aluminium-Noise-Cancelling-Deep-Bass-In-Ear-Stereo-Earphones/1536158860.html

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The name Yamaha doesn't appear anywhere on that page...

 

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post #12292 of 14123

@ljokerl @others

Guys I have been UE-600 from four months, however I planning to move onto my next headphone. I've shortlisted Hifiman 400 Waterline and Rock-it 50 based on your reviews here. I have following questions in my mind, could you please help me deciding.

1. I like clear highs and mid in UE600. They were perfect to my taste. Bass was tight but slightly less deep than I would prefer. Since Hifiman 400  has dynamic driver, I'm little worried about moving from BA driver. What difference in sound should I expect when moving from UE600 to Hifiman 400?

2. Rockit 50 seems overall good in review but there is 20$ difference in Hifiman 400 and Rockit 50. Is that leap worth it? Second what difference I will feel coming from UE600.

3. I generally listen classical rock any other recommendations for me apart from these headphones? I live in India and I have found only Hifiman and Rockit which deliver headphones in India.

At last, I would like to thank you for all your effort and time you put here to help everyone. You are a legend sir.

Regards,
Mangat Rai Modi


Edited by mangatmodi - 12/10/13 at 12:27am
post #12293 of 14123
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Originally Posted by quartertone View Post
 

The name Yamaha doesn't appear anywhere on that page...

 

Style:

In-Ear

Brand Name:

OEM

Hi quartertone, you're right, thanks!

post #12294 of 14123

Hi joker,

Short comparison please between Vsonic VC1000 vs. Custom Art Music One - is it upgrade from VC1000 or "just" something else?. Thanks.
Own the VC1000 and I really like its sound signature. Never had CIEM.

post #12295 of 14123
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Originally Posted by Benik3 View Post
 

 

Thanks for the help, really appreciate it! :)

 

For now I'm decided for the MOE SS01...

good choice! great IEM

post #12296 of 14123
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mannkind246 View Post
 

So DBA-02 is the only option? Anything better than DBA-02?

 

There's lots of other options but I'm not familiar enough with the DT880 to say any of them are better for you with confidence. The DBA-02 is a nice earphone with a fast and clear sound and plenty of treble energy. However, if you think the bass slam of the 880 is something you'll miss dearly you might be better off with a GR07 or Philips S2. 

 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

5. There's absolutely nothing wrong with you. To the contrary, yours are symptoms of a sanity that most of us here can't even faintly remember. Forget about trying flac and looking for more complex songs to help you spot minute differences in sound quality. That will only make you listen more to gear and less to music. Just return those SS Flux and enjoy what you have. There's still time for you to run and never look back. Good luck! ;) 

 

Right you are, I guess I'm too far gone ;)

 

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Originally Posted by mangatmodi View Post
 

@ljokerl @others

Guys I have been UE-600 from four months, however I planning to move onto my next headphone. I've shortlisted Hifiman 400 Waterline and Rock-it 50 based on your reviews here. I have following questions in my mind, could you please help me deciding.

1. I like clear highs and mid in UE600. They were perfect to my taste. Bass was tight but slightly less deep than I would prefer. Since Hifiman 400  has dynamic driver, I'm little worried about moving from BA driver. What difference in sound should I expect when moving from UE600 to Hifiman 400?

2. Rockit 50 seems overall good in review but there is 20$ difference in Hifiman 400 and Rockit 50. Is that leap worth it? Second what difference I will feel coming from UE600.

3. I generally listen classical rock any other recommendations for me apart from these headphones? I live in India and I have found only Hifiman and Rockit which deliver headphones in India.

At last, I would like to thank you for all your effort and time you put here to help everyone. You are a legend sir.

Regards,
Mangat Rai Modi

 

I wouldn't worry about moving from BA to dynamic in this case. I actually preferred the bass of the RE-400 - it is just as controlled as that of the UE600 but has a more natural presence with better note weight. Midrange clarity is pretty similar but the RE-400 is more balanced overall. The presentation of the UE600 also lacks some depth in comparison. Overall I think the RE-400 is a good reasonably-priced option coming from the UE600.

 

The Rock-It R-50 is brighter than both, especially in the stock configuration. Not sure it's what you're after but it's less of a direct UE600 upgrade than the RE-400.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Astrud View Post
 

Hi joker,

Short comparison please between Vsonic VC1000 vs. Custom Art Music One - is it upgrade from VC1000 or "just" something else?. Thanks.
Own the VC1000 and I really like its sound signature. Never had CIEM.

 

More of an alternative.

 

Overall, the VC1000 sounds leaner, a bit clearer as a result, and its bass is a little tighter. The Music One has more bass weight and warmer tone but both are pretty close to neutral. Note presentation is a little thicker and more natural with the Music One and it has more emphasis on its midrange and less on treble. It also sounds a little more forgiving as a result. 

post #12297 of 14123

So I finally received my Audioquest Dragonfly. Upon the first listen there really isn't much of a difference compared to my Musiland Monitor 01 US. Best I can tell is the bass is punchier(attack is more prominent) and the overall clarity is pretty much the same. My questions is this: would a JH13 benefit from the low output impedance of the Dragonfly? Musiland lists the 01 with 100 ohm impedance (kinda high?). The Dragonfly has that annoying problem of pops when the laptop processor changes speed, a lot more often than the Musiland.


Edited by godlyatheist - 12/10/13 at 10:46pm
post #12298 of 14123

Seems like nice alternative. I'll call the audiologist today for appointment. Thanks

post #12299 of 14123
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

There's lots of other options but I'm not familiar enough with the DT880 to say any of them are better for you with confidence. The DBA-02 is a nice earphone with a fast and clear sound and plenty of treble energy. However, if you think the bass slam of the 880 is something you'll miss dearly you might be better off with a GR07 or Philips S2.

 

 

Among your recommendation for below IEMs:

 

1) Philips S2BK/28 Fidelio ($108)
2) VSonic GR07 ($179)
3) VSonic GR07 MK2 ($169)
4) Fischer Audio DBA-02 MKII ($196)

5) Fischer Audio DBA-02 ($???)

 

Which IEM has the best in term of the most detail and mid range?
In another word, I can hear many details which I cound not possible hear with ordinary IEM?

 

In the case of VSonic & Ficher Audio, is there any different in sound for those IEM with and without "MK2" or "MK II"?

post #12300 of 14123
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by godlyatheist View Post
 

So I finally received my Audioquest Dragonfly. Upon the first listen there really isn't much of a difference compared to my Musiland Monitor 01 US. Best I can tell is the bass is punchier(attack is more prominent) and the overall clarity is pretty much the same. My questions is this: would a JH13 benefit from the low output impedance of the Dragonfly? Musiland lists the 01 with 100 ohm impedance (kinda high?). The Dragonfly has that annoying problem of pops when the laptop processor changes speed, a lot more often than the Musiland.

 

100 ohm output impedance? Are you sure? That's poor design by any measure, but especially unsuitable for Balanced Armature IEMs. 

 

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Originally Posted by Astrud View Post
 

Seems like nice alternative. I'll call the audiologist today for appointment. Thanks

 

Enjoy! :beerchug:

 

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Originally Posted by mannkind246 View Post
 

 

Among your recommendation for below IEMs:

 

1) Philips S2BK/28 Fidelio ($108)
2) VSonic GR07 ($179)
3) VSonic GR07 MK2 ($169)
4) Fischer Audio DBA-02 MKII ($196)

5) Fischer Audio DBA-02 ($???)

 

Which IEM has the best in term of the most detail and mid range?
In another word, I can hear many details which I cound not possible hear with ordinary IEM?

 

In the case of VSonic & Ficher Audio, is there any different in sound for those IEM with and without "MK2" or "MK II"?

 

For the VSonic GR07 you want the mkII - it's a little less sibilant from what I understand (and based on my experience with the GR07BE).

 

For Fischer it depends on the price difference (as far as I know they don't make the mkI anymore but you can buy it as the Brainwavz B2). I tend to favor the DBA-02 mkII for its sturdier build and more compact/comfortable form factor.

 

Anyway, the GR07 and S2 put the bass a bit ahead of the mids so if you want to prioritize midrange go for one of the DBA-02 variations. The Brainwavz B2 might be significantly cheaper than the Fischer version. 

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