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post #12271 of 14154
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Originally Posted by ElcomeSoft View Post
 

*sigh*

 

I am stuck.

 

My Minerva Mi-1 customs (absolutely fantastic in every day) have packed in and the repair cost for a single driver unit is just far too rich for my bank account and financial position for the foreseeable future so after over 2 1/2 years, I am on the hunt for a pair of quality universal IEM's.

 

And beyond this thread I have absolutely no idea where it is best to turn...

 

My last universals were the HeadDirect RE-ZERO's. Not much on the bass end, reasonable speed for a dynamic but highs and mids that could soothe even the most angry beast on the right tracks. I loved them but they weren't in the same league as my Mi-1's for sound. Recently I've been using my Dad's pair of sub-$50 Meelec universals and they weren't too bad but they took some effort to EQ out and make them fun.

 

Ideally I'd love something like the RE-ZERO but of a higher grade/quality, analytic with fantastic mids and highs and controlled bass but I know that's not an easy task. I'm not a huge fan of Dynamic drivers as I find they can fatigue me easily (health issue which makes them fatigue my ears a bit faster than most) but I don't mind them, especially if the bass quality is reasonable and it's not thumping hard (Monster Turbines).

 

Personally I've been looking at the old stable Fischer Audio DBA-02's and the Mk II (£120) versions, as well as the Brainwavz B2 (£64) or R3's (£80, dual dynamics, I know). 

 

Could anyone give me a hand? Yes, I'm picky. With my health condition I can have sore ears/quickly fatigued ears with too much impact behind the bass for which I found the Monster Turbines to be awful for, even if it was enjoyable until that certain point.

 

I really do appreciate any advice given. As the Mi-1's would cost me over £200 to replace, the Brainwavz offerings sound fantastic and ideally I'd like to spend no more than £100 (about $160 in US currency, give or take $10). Alternatives are very much appreciated as the references and ideas I have posted above are just for reference/curiousity sake.

 

The DBA-02/mkII/B2 are all brighter than the RE-ZERO so they might be fatiguing for you (although I'm honestly not sure how the Mi-1 sounds). The R3 is smoother/less bright but the fit is not nearly as easy-going as the similarly-priced HiFiMan RE-400 and the sound is not better. The RE-400 is honestly the better option of the two. 

 

The VSonic GR07 and Philips Fidelio S2 are good options in your price range but again both have more treble energy and can be more harsh than the RE-ZERO and RE-400. The Etymotic HF5 is another very solid earphone - again a little more treble presence than the RE-ZERO/RE-400 but still a little more forgiving than the DBA-02/B2. 

 

TL;DR - The HiFiMan RE-400 is the safe option, the HF5 is the neutral option with more treble presence, the GR07/Fidelio S2 have more bass impact but still not too much (definitely not at Turbine level). The DBA-02/B2 can be fatiguing if you aren't used to energetic treble but have very fast and level bass.

 

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Originally Posted by Benik3 View Post
 

Wow! They are little over my budget, but I like the design (otherwise is also long as the MEE SP51).

 

BTW what about the Sunrise? You gave the v1 really high rating, and what I read, the version IE is only little warmer and with little more bass. That also looks promising...


The V1 doesn't have enough bass for you and I can't really recommend the Xcape IE because of the build quality. You have to be very gentle with it.

post #12272 of 14154

Joker, I was hoping you could comment on the aesthetic quality (amount of bubbles, overall transparency, lacquer polish/smoothness, etc.) of the silicone CIEMs you possess. AFAIK, you have the Noble 4S, CustomArt Music One, Spiral Ears SE 3-Way Reference, and Sensaphonics 3MAX?


Edited by tomscy2000 - 12/7/13 at 8:12pm
post #12273 of 14154
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

The DBA-02/mkII/B2 are all brighter than the RE-ZERO so they might be fatiguing for you (although I'm honestly not sure how the Mi-1 sounds). The R3 is smoother/less bright but the fit is not nearly as easy-going as the similarly-priced HiFiMan RE-400 and the sound is not better. The RE-400 is honestly the better option of the two. 

 

The VSonic GR07 and Philips Fidelio S2 are good options in your price range but again both have more treble energy and can be more harsh than the RE-ZERO and RE-400. The Etymotic HF5 is another very solid earphone - again a little more treble presence than the RE-ZERO/RE-400 but still a little more forgiving than the DBA-02/B2. 

 

TL;DR - The HiFiMan RE-400 is the safe option, the HF5 is the neutral option with more treble presence, the GR07/Fidelio S2 have more bass impact but still not too much (definitely not at Turbine level). The DBA-02/B2 can be fatiguing if you aren't used to energetic treble but have very fast and level bass.

 

As my Mi-1's had a custom filter, different from the standard Mi-1's, I am not sure how to categorise them either :)

 

Joker, as always, you go above and beyond what I expected to deliver experience, details and advice to provide assistance to people who pop in here. I'll spend a little while looking at the options you've put forward, check and compare prices (right now, the B2's are just over £60 which is at the $95 USD mark, seems tempting). 

 

As I have just been helping deliver Level 1 Principles in Customer Service at my place of work I wish I could use this thread and posts like these as demonstrations of good customer service for the learners :)

 

Thank you for all of your help.

post #12274 of 14154

Joker,

I posted a thread in the Help section, but I haven't gotten much info, but here's what I wanted from my new IEM:

A somewhat balanced sound (no harsh treble or monster bass)
Low microphonics (an absolute must)
If possible one with a flat impedance curve from 20Hz-20kHz (dynamic), so I kind of want to stay aware from armature/multi-armature (I plan to use it with multiple sources)
Not an over the ear design
Low isolation (so if a classmate near me calls me out, I can still hear while listening on medium volumes)
Around $100 USD

I originally settled on the JVC FX500 because of the low isolation and microphonics, but it's not easily acquired in the US. I've switched my choice to the Philips Fidelio S1 going by your reviews on InnerFidelity and on The Headphone List.

So I want to ask you, any alternatives worth considering again? Or is the Fidelio S1 the best for my situation?

Oh, and thanks for being an awesome community member who takes his time to do all these reviews and even help on recommendations. :biggrin:

post #12275 of 14154
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Joker, I was hoping you could comment on the aesthetic quality (amount of bubbles, overall transparency, lacquer polish/smoothness, etc.) of the silicone CIEMs you possess. AFAIK, you have the Noble 4S, CustomArt Music One, Spiral Ears SE 3-Way Reference, and Sensaphonics 3MAX?

 

Sure, in short, Noble >= Custom Art >> Spiral Ear > Sensaphonics

 

The Noble has the advantage of using acrylic faceplaces so you can't see the silicone artifacts so well, plus you get artwork and all that. Even ignoring that the quality is still excellent - not as clear as acrylic, obviously, but pretty transparent and with no visible bubbles or other imperfections. Finish is fairly smooth, not grooved or rough. The Custom Art is much the same except no acrylic faceplates. The clear parts of my Music One are actually a little "clearer" than the Noble but it's not a big difference.

 

The SE 3-way Reference has some roughness to the finish and feels a little more "rubbery" at first. This goes away over time. No bubbles that I can see but it's a dark shell. The Sensaphonics have some bubbles, etc, and aren't as transparent as the Music One or Noble.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ElcomeSoft View Post
 

 

As my Mi-1's had a custom filter, different from the standard Mi-1's, I am not sure how to categorise them either :)

 

Joker, as always, you go above and beyond what I expected to deliver experience, details and advice to provide assistance to people who pop in here. I'll spend a little while looking at the options you've put forward, check and compare prices (right now, the B2's are just over £60 which is at the $95 USD mark, seems tempting). 

 

As I have just been helping deliver Level 1 Principles in Customer Service at my place of work I wish I could use this thread and posts like these as demonstrations of good customer service for the learners :)

 

Thank you for all of your help.

 

That's funny. Glad to help! :beerchug:

 

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Originally Posted by Samurai Boy View Post
 

Joker,

I posted a thread in the Help section, but I haven't gotten much info, but here's what I wanted from my new IEM:

A somewhat balanced sound (no harsh treble or monster bass)
Low microphonics (an absolute must)
If possible one with a flat impedance curve from 20Hz-20kHz (dynamic), so I kind of want to stay aware from armature/multi-armature (I plan to use it with multiple sources)
Not an over the ear design
Low isolation (so if a classmate near me calls me out, I can still hear while listening on medium volumes)
Around $100 USD

I originally settled on the JVC FX500 because of the low isolation and microphonics, but it's not easily acquired in the US. I've switched my choice to the Philips Fidelio S1 going by your reviews on InnerFidelity and on The Headphone List.

So I want to ask you, any alternatives worth considering again? Or is the Fidelio S1 the best for my situation?

Oh, and thanks for being an awesome community member who takes his time to do all these reviews and even help on recommendations. :biggrin:

 

Thanks :beerchug:

 

The FX500 definitely has enhanced bass so I do think the Fidelio is more along the lines of what you're looking for even just for sound. I can't think of a better option than the S1 - the alternatives all have more bass and some of them have other issues (e.g. microphonics on the Onkyo IE-HF300). The S1 has a bit of microphonics but definitely isn't bad at all. Isolation is average-ish - it actually isolates better than the FX500 but not too well. 

post #12276 of 14154

I've previously owned the Etymotic ER4P and ran it with a P-S converter, RSA Hornet, and lineout dock. This was years ago, and i've since sold off all of my gear.

 

If i'm looking to get back in the game, which (more recent) IEM in the Ety ER4 price range is a comparable buy in terms of sound quality? or should i just get another pair of the ER4P?

post #12277 of 14154

i think you can live with dba-2 / brainwavz b2 , these have more treble energy but are nearly as clear as er-4p , and are cheaper too .

post #12278 of 14154
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post  Sure, in short, Noble >= Custom Art >> Spiral Ear > Sensaphonics

 

The Noble has the advantage of using acrylic faceplaces so you can't see the silicone artifacts so well, plus you get artwork and all that. Even ignoring that the quality is still excellent - not as clear as acrylic, obviously, but pretty transparent and with no visible bubbles or other imperfections. Finish is fairly smooth, not grooved or rough. The Custom Art is much the same except no acrylic faceplates. The clear parts of my Music One are actually a little "clearer" than the Noble but it's not a big difference.

 

The SE 3-way Reference has some roughness to the finish and feels a little more "rubbery" at first. This goes away over time. No bubbles that I can see but it's a dark shell. The Sensaphonics have some bubbles, etc, and aren't as transparent as the Music One or Noble.

 

Thanks!

post #12279 of 14154
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

The V1 doesn't have enough bass for you and I can't really recommend the Xcape IE because of the build quality. You have to be very gentle with it.

 

Thanks for the help, really appreciate it! :)

 

For now I'm decided for the MOE SS01...

post #12280 of 14154
Hey joker,

I see that you're becoming an expert in CIEMs as well biggrin.gif

I got my first CIEMs a few days ago, the Mingo CM3 (single-BA acrylics OEMed by Unique Melody)

The issue: I'm getting a non-so-consistent seal. I get excellent seal with my head tilted down, less so with my head level, and no seal when lying down on a pillow.

Looking at the CIEMs they appear to be a 1st-bend "comfort fit". Reviewing the earmold instructions from Unique Melody (which I wasn't aware of at the time), it appears my molds were taken the right way (it amounts to "bite block" right?)

Not sure how to proceed. average_joe advised me to get a remold with a second bend fit. I am looking into doing that but two worries I have are:
1. Does a second-bend fit really improve fit across different postures, or does it just "improve" fit by making movements that would otherwise break the seal impossible? I am imagining the CIEMs "remolding" my ear canals when I try to lie down rolleyes.gif
2. Wondering about durability of the CIEMs. I'm careful to store the CIEMs only in the hard case they come in whenever I'm not using them. It seems a pair of CIEMs with longer canals and a narrow neck would be even more fragile, especially given how narrow my 2nd bend appears to be (judging by the end opening of my 1st bend CIEMs). I'm actually asking Mingo to ask Unique Melody if a 2nd bend molded pair of CIEMs is actually possible for me?

Hope average_joe doesn't mind me asking for a second opinion redface.gif
post #12281 of 14154

Hello ljokerl,

I'm  looking for a good IEM that has sound signature close to Beyerdynamic DT880 (semi-opened big cans).

Someone suggests the Fischer Audio DBA-02 MKII. Do you have any comment?

What are the other IEMs can you suggest to me?


Edited by mannkind246 - 12/9/13 at 6:47am
post #12282 of 14154

Hi there, 

Anybody heard , about fake Yamaha EPH-100? 

post #12283 of 14154
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Hi there, 

Anybody heard , about fake Yamaha EPH-100? 

I couldn't find anything specific but I suspect I may have one (purchased used) - there's something odd about it with the finish and strain reliefs so I'm curious if that is the case.  I just ordered another from a different seller with full retail packaging and will compare the two and post impressions here.


Edited by modulor - 12/9/13 at 1:13pm
post #12284 of 14154
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

I couldn't find anything specific but I suspect I may have one (purchased used) - there's something odd about it with the finish and strain reliefs so I'm curious if that is the case.  I just ordered another from a different seller with full retail packaging and will compare the two and post impressions here.

Thanks, saw them on Aliexpress for some 40 bucks...

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Christmas-Gift-Genuine-Original-EPH-100-Premuim-Aluminium-Noise-Cancelling-Deep-Bass-In-Ear-Stereo-Earphones/1536158860.html

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Ive never dealt with them before but I've heard a few bad things about them. Might want to be cautious going in?

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