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Apr 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM Post #9,961 of 16,931
Hi joker, I was wondering if you could recommend me an upgrade from the Westone w2s. I really enjoy them but I was wondering how much better can it get. Is there an iem with a much different sound signature or improved sound quality that would be better than the w2s? Also my budget would be around $300. Thank you for your reviews i bought three iems based on your thread!
 
Apr 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM Post #9,962 of 16,931
Joker - Any interest in the Vsonic VC1000's foudn here?  Vsonic has a great track record and they are another knowles duel BA found around the price range of the R-50.  Apparently from initial reviews they are more fun and with more bass than the typical dual BA.
 
Apr 12, 2013 at 10:52 PM Post #9,963 of 16,931
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jhelsas said:
ljokerl
 
you own the 8.A?
 
Have you also heard the 4.A or the 4.Ai? (in this case I'm particularly interested with the comparison between them and the W4)
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I have an 8.A but no experience with the 4.A or 4.Ai
 
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Hi Joker,
 
I've been using the Brainwavz M2 on a daily basis and really enjoy their sound.  As with all things I enjoy I find I'm ready to upgrade.  I probably have more classic consumer sensibilities and after reading your reviews have narrowed down the field to about a dozen iems (including a couple of customs).  I'm tentatively setting a $500-$600 limit since this is more about comparison and less about paradigm.  I'd ultimately like to get a good BA and dynamic since I need to hear both to truly appreciate the difference.  I liked your comment about fully appreciating the Miracle due to sheer experience with everything else.
 
I know there's no direct correlation but I really enjoy my Denon AH-D5000 at home since it's so capable of handling any additional bass I EQ into it but also sounds great without it.  On the other hand my K702s just can't live up to the bass impact I like and the sound level really degrades when I push them with an EQ.  The have great clarity but I only plug them in when I want to remember why I'm not as excited by them.  (I'd love to get my hands on the LCD-2 but that's another story for another day.)
 
I use my M2s on a daily basis with my iPhone 4S and my Digizoid ZO2.  I really prefer the warmth provided by that mini EQ booster.  I also tend to use the Equalizer app and push the lower frequencies even higher.  I find the M2 is quite capable of handling my combined EQing and doesn't sound particularly muddy with the boost to my ears.  I'm afraid if I start with something boomy/muddy I'll have less flexibility for the tracks that I drop to a flat EQ.  However I have no desire for the ability to reach a completely analytical sound so I'm good with something that's warm with a flat EQ.  I listen primarily to very melodic metal and enjoy the strong (not recessed) mids of the M2.  I'd like to have a good level of detail for some of the more intricate guitar solos.  I also like the fit/isolation with the M2.  I'd like something that doesn't necessarily need to be loud to sound good.  I generally listen in the office so I keep the volume at low/medium listening levels so that I can hear the phone ring.
 
Based on all of that would you have any suggestion(s)?  Thanks in advance for any advice!
 
 
Here's a picture of one of my usual EQ settings for the M2s with the Equalizer app.
 
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First off, I don't test how tolerant earphones are of being EQ'd these days so I won't be of much help on that front, but I would think a dynamic driver would be more up your alley than an armature. I know it's nowhere near the top of your price range but I think you would enjoy the Yamaha EPH-100 for its natural (i.e. un-EQd) deep bass and strong midrange presence.
 
That plus the 1964-V3 as your armature might be a good combo for you, if you want to risk a custom as your first high-end armature earphone.
 
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killashell421 said:
Hey joker do you know whats a good upgrade from the klipsch image s4 for under a 100$
i mostley listen to hip hop
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If you are looking to stay with a v-shaped sound, you can pick up a JVC FXT90 for around that much these days. It's more balanced than the S4 but still far from flat/neutral. If you want to spend a little less, the Audio-Technica CKM-500 would be a good one as well. Even less than that - VSonic GR02 Bass Edition. 
 
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kobetastic said:
Hi joker, I was wondering if you could recommend me an upgrade from the Westone w2s. I really enjoy them but I was wondering how much better can it get. Is there an iem with a much different sound signature or improved sound quality that would be better than the w2s? Also my budget would be around $300. Thank you for your reviews i bought three iems based on your thread!
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Unless you have specific improvements in mind I doubt you can really upgrade from the W2 for less than $300. There's tons with a different signature that are good - the VSonic GR07BE would be one, for example, for a less mid-centric sound. 
 
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Joker - Any interest in the Vsonic VC1000's foudn here?  Vsonic has a great track record and they are another knowles duel BA found around the price range of the R-50.  Apparently from initial reviews they are more fun and with more bass than the typical dual BA.
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I've reviewed the GR01, which is a VSonic dual BA with a Knowles driver. I am not sure how the VC1000 differs from that model.
 
Apr 12, 2013 at 11:03 PM Post #9,964 of 16,931
Ayo joker thanks for the advice im gonna get the vsonic gr02
Just one more question does the bass edition have the grey cable? Because theres three models on amazon and i dont kno which ones which?
Heres the link. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_3_8?ie=UTF8&k=vsonic+gr02&i=aps&spre
 
Apr 13, 2013 at 6:22 AM Post #9,965 of 16,931
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ljokerl said:
I have an 8.A ...
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Will you review it soon and add it to your chart? 
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Apr 13, 2013 at 10:31 AM Post #9,966 of 16,931
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killashell421 said:
Ayo joker thanks for the advice im gonna get the vsonic gr02
Just one more question does the bass edition have the grey cable? Because theres three models on amazon and i dont kno which ones which?
Heres the link. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_3_8?ie=UTF8&k=vsonic+gr02&i=aps&spre
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Just get them from here - direct from lendmeurears - ships from the US arrives in about 4 days.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vsonic-GR02-Bass-/321086063296?pt=US_Headphones&hash=item4ac23882c0
 
Apr 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM Post #9,967 of 16,931
Hi Joker, thank you for answering my question i asked you recently and now i've another, more difficult question. I'm planning on moving on from soundmagic e30, my budget is <100$. I listen to a lot of ambient music, metal (death, black, doom..), folk, new age, post rock and many other genres. The sound i think i would prefer is: enveloping and the-bigger-the-better soundstage, separation, balanced, not fatiguing. I'm thinking of buying fxt-90, but i'm not sure that soundstage will be big enough and highs may be too fatiguing.
Thank you for your work here! Really looking forward to coming reviews :)
 
Apr 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM Post #9,968 of 16,931
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killashell421 said:
Ayo joker thanks for the advice im gonna get the vsonic gr02
Just one more question does the bass edition have the grey cable? Because theres three models on amazon and i dont kno which ones which?
Heres the link. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_3_8?ie=UTF8&k=vsonic+gr02&i=aps&spre
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You would want something that specifically says bass edition. The cable on it is gray, but it's gray on some other versions of the GR02 as well (for example the "silver edition").
 
 
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putente said:
 
Will you review it soon and add it to your chart? 
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In due time - I just got it a week or so ago 
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danikus said:
Hi Joker, thank you for answering my question i asked you recently and now i've another, more difficult question. I'm planning on moving on from soundmagic e30, my budget is <100$. I listen to a lot of ambient music, metal (death, black, doom..), folk, new age, post rock and many other genres. The sound i think i would prefer is: enveloping and the-bigger-the-better soundstage, separation, balanced, not fatiguing. I'm thinking of buying fxt-90, but i'm not sure that soundstage will be big enough and highs may be too fatiguing.
Thank you for your work here! Really looking forward to coming reviews :)
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How do you find the bass and treble quantity of the E30? Because the FXT90 has more of both and if you find the balance of the E30 to your liking you may want to look something that's flatter than the FXT90. 
 
Apr 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM Post #9,969 of 16,931
Thanks Joker,
 
I appreciate the recommendation.  I'm leaning toward the EPH-100 right now.  What would you think of the MTPG vs. the EPH-100?  I only ask because I see the MTPG is $150 on Amazon right now (and is Prime eligible).
 
Apr 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM Post #9,970 of 16,931
can anyone please explain to me...why would
anyone go for a 150$ BA IEM instead of a 150$ Dynamic IEM?
i don't have any experience with BA but i understand
then generally if you go for BA you get some sibilance and lack of bass,
but if you go for dynamic you get more bass and less sibilance and harshness.
i mean...do some people just dont like the bass?
sorry for being naive maybe
im not talking about overpowering bass.
i mean, for example :
why would anyone chose the VSonic GR01 over the Yamaha EPH100?
the Yamaha has more bass and less chance of harshness....
 
Apr 13, 2013 at 9:38 PM Post #9,971 of 16,931
Just wanna say the Yamaha EPH100 are amazing. Anyone who buys them and enjoys their electronic music won't be disappointed.
 
Apr 14, 2013 at 2:03 AM Post #9,973 of 16,931
Seeing as I haven't bought much earphones since I got the JH5 things have certainly changed. I was thinking about getting a universal as my S4 died. I was thinking the $200-300 range and looking at Amazon there's the W3 and the SM2 from Earsonics. Are those still good options or has the quality gone up since then? The signature I'm looking for is more towards the W3 kind of signature however but never heard an Earsonics so not sure how that would go really.
 
Apr 14, 2013 at 2:20 AM Post #9,974 of 16,931
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ljokerl said:
 
How do you find the bass and treble quantity of the E30? Because the FXT90 has more of both and if you find the balance of the E30 to your liking you may want to look something that's flatter than the FXT90. 
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Well, a little bit punchier and faster bass would work for me, as well as more treble quantity, but again - just a little bit. Do you think the hifiman re-400 is a safer choice for me? And what about soundstage? Thanks again!
 
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