Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Multi-IEM Review - 318 IEMs compared (Impressions of DN-2000, Altone200, Fidue A83 added p. 945)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Multi-IEM Review - 318 IEMs compared (Impressions of DN-2000, Altone200, Fidue A83 added p. 945) - Page 874

post #13096 of 14174

granted, i'm new to these parts but it seems like the economics of upgraditis in the iem realm is hard to understand. in two channel audio, you can see how someone would "rationally" buy $5000 speakers which don't necessarily sound better than a $1500 pair--issues like aesthetics, design, brand prestige and collectibility are considerations. (likewise, lots of people buy $$$$ rolexes with full knowledge that a $200 seiko tells time just as well). with iems, however, aesthetics and prestige don't seem like major criteria--lots of pricier iems come from little-known manufacturers and don't look or feel much different than their lower-priced peers. which leads to the question: if today's $50 standouts are so good, will there be there any real market for the expensive stuff?

post #13097 of 14174
Quote:
Originally Posted by loomisjohnson View Post

granted, i'm new to these parts but it seems like the economics of upgraditis in the iem realm is hard to understand. in two channel audio, you can see how someone would "rationally" buy $5000 speakers which don't necessarily sound better than a $1500 pair--issues like aesthetics, design, brand prestige and collectibility are considerations. (likewise, lots of people buy $$$$ rolexes with full knowledge that a $200 seiko tells time just as well). with iems, however, aesthetics and prestige don't seem like major criteria--lots of pricier iems come from little-known manufacturers and don't look or feel much different than their lower-priced peers. which leads to the question: if today's $50 standouts are so good, will there be there any real market for the expensive stuff?

Ill let you know soon enough. Have had vsd1 for 2 weeks dkn1 is on its way
post #13098 of 14174
Quote:
Originally Posted by loomisjohnson View Post
 

granted, i'm new to these parts but it seems like the economics of upgraditis in the iem realm is hard to understand. in two channel audio, you can see how someone would "rationally" buy $5000 speakers which don't necessarily sound better than a $1500 pair--issues like aesthetics, design, brand prestige and collectibility are considerations. (likewise, lots of people buy $$$$ rolexes with full knowledge that a $200 seiko tells time just as well). with iems, however, aesthetics and prestige don't seem like major criteria--lots of pricier iems come from little-known manufacturers and don't look or feel much different than their lower-priced peers. which leads to the question: if today's $50 standouts are so good, will there be there any real market for the expensive stuff?

IMO there'll always be a market for that stuff. It's still about not how it looks or feels but how it sounds. While there are $50 iems that sound very good in comparison to $100-200 ones that does't mean they an actually on-par with the best of them let alone on-par with the high-end stuff.  But there are diminishing returns and a $500 iem doesn't actually sound 10 times better than a $50 one. In the end it comes down to what is your budget and what are you willing to spend for sound quality. If one has the money to spare he'll go for the better sounding stuff and the expensive stuff is still the superior sounding.

The good thing about the lower and mid-fi iem getting better and better is that people with limited funds can enjoy very good sound for very little money in comparison to what they could get a few years ago for the same amount. 

post #13099 of 14174
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SyCo87 View Post

I just realized I joined here when the M6s were on top of the budget class headphones (with the M1 a more better and expensive choice). Now the Meelecs can't keep up with even the Monos, Phillip SHE which are a class ahead of them.

 

Funny thing is, I use my M6 more than any of those except maybe the Philips, which makes for a good benchmark. The M6 just fits so well and stays so securely in my ears, and I know it will survive if I get a little sweat on it or if the cable gets snagged.

 

I tried replacing it with other sets as my active IEM but none have quite worked out. The Westove ADV was closest but I end up focusing on how crappy it sounds for $200. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mdraluck23 View Post
 

VC1000's are exactly what the doctor ordered, thanks ljokerl!

 

Glad you like them :beerchug:

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by djvkool View Post
 

 

Superb stuff joker, as usual, good to see DN1k made it there...

 

:beerchug:

 

Thanks. The DN1k was bound to. I think it's the priciest thing there, which isn't saying much as I tried to keep it all reasonably-priced ;)

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentJ View Post

Hey joker,

Finally got my JVC FXD80, and they fit! How are they supposed to compare to the AM800? And do they need burn in or anything?

edit: the astrotecs are definitely lighter and slightly more comfortable, but the JVC seem a little harsh in the highs, is this normal?

 

My pair was a used loaner. They should be about as bright as the Astrotecs but with significantly better bass reach and maybe slightly more withdrawn mids (if you're listening to them at a higher volume to compensate for this, that might explain the harshness; otherwise maybe they will benefit from break-in). 

post #13100 of 14174

Looking for the right upgrade for re-400's to use with my dx50.

I listen to indie, hiphop, ambient, and edm. Big soundstage + slightlyyy boosted bass would be nice with decent overall clarity.

I have a couple contenders:

 

westone 4/4r/w40      very neutral, might be boring

sony xba-h3              fun, sony treble..

heir 4.ai                    tuned for jazz.. not sure if that's good or bad

ath-im02                   excellent clarity, possibly sibilant

noble 3                     might be the holy grail, maybe

 

Not sure where to start :confused_face_2: Help me trim down my list please

post #13101 of 14174

I just lost my Shure 535's. So damn sad! Are there any equal good or better in-ears in it's price range? They have to be well known and with a good warranty coverage. Someone tipped me about the Westone but that brand doesn't sell in my country so i have to exlude it unfortunately.

 

Thanks in advance!

post #13102 of 14174
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post
 

Looking for the right upgrade for re-400's to use with my dx50.

I listen to indie, hiphop, ambient, and edm. Big soundstage + slightlyyy boosted bass would be nice with decent overall clarity.

I have a couple contenders:

 

westone 4/4r/w40      very neutral, might be boring

sony xba-h3              fun, sony treble..

heir 4.ai                    tuned for jazz.. not sure if that's good or bad

ath-im02                   excellent clarity, possibly sibilant

noble 3                     might be the holy grail, maybe

 

Not sure where to start :confused_face_2: Help me trim down my list please

 

The Westones are the only ones I've tried out of those. They do have a thicker sound (along with more bass impact) and slightly subdued upper mids in comparison but I doubt an RE-400 fan will find them boring.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christianh View Post
 

I just lost my Shure 535's. So damn sad! Are there any equal good or better in-ears in it's price range? They have to be well known and with a good warranty coverage. Someone tipped me about the Westone but that brand doesn't sell in my country so i have to exlude it unfortunately.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Having to be a big brand really narrows it down. The Sony MDR-7550 sounds better than the SE535 to me with a not-too-different sound signature (balanced, a little warm, with smooth treble). TDK BA200 does too, and has a similar form factor. Otherwise you're probably stuck with having to get another pair of Shures. 

post #13103 of 14174
Quote:
Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post
 

Looking for the right upgrade for re-400's to use with my dx50.

I listen to indie, hiphop, ambient, and edm. Big soundstage + slightlyyy boosted bass would be nice with decent overall clarity.

I have a couple contenders:

 

westone 4/4r/w40      very neutral, might be boring

sony xba-h3              fun, sony treble..

heir 4.ai                    tuned for jazz.. not sure if that's good or bad

ath-im02                   excellent clarity, possibly sibilant

noble 3                     might be the holy grail, maybe

 

Not sure where to start :confused_face_2: Help me trim down my list please

 

Ath IM02/50/70 don't have sibilance issue. Granted. Heir 4.ai has some sibilance issues. You may add Yamaha EPH-100 or Jvc Fxt90 to the list for your genres.;)


Edited by ozkan - 3/3/14 at 4:22am
post #13104 of 14174
Quote:
Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

Looking for the right upgrade for re-400's to use with my dx50.
I listen to indie, hiphop, ambient, and edm. Big soundstage + slightlyyy boosted bass would be nice with decent overall clarity.
I have a couple contenders:

westone 4/4r/w40      very neutral, might be boring
sony xba-h3              fun, sony treble..
heir 4.ai                    tuned for jazz.. not sure if that's good or bad
ath-im02                   excellent clarity, possibly sibilant
noble 3                     might be the holy grail, maybe

Not sure where to start confused_face_2.gif  Help me trim down my list please
actually i would look for the asg 1 or 3.a.i because ath im ba series or westone don't have enough bass for edm , im70 is ok for edm but the soundstage wasn't big enough , i try all of those , i finally pick the heir 3.a.i and change cable , it 's enough for me , but i start to look up for the westone um50 (i am so greedy XD) , arrived hongkong 1 week ago
post #13105 of 14174
joker the dunu dn1000 and vc1000 is better then se535?
and what about se846?
post #13106 of 14174
Quote:
Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post
 

Looking for the right upgrade for re-400's to use with my dx50.

I listen to indie, hiphop, ambient, and edm. Big soundstage + slightlyyy boosted bass would be nice with decent overall clarity.

I have a couple contenders:

 

westone 4/4r/w40      very neutral, might be boring

sony xba-h3              fun, sony treble..

heir 4.ai                    tuned for jazz.. not sure if that's good or bad

ath-im02                   excellent clarity, possibly sibilant

noble 3                     might be the holy grail, maybe

 

Not sure where to start :confused_face_2: Help me trim down my list please


I personally don't think the 4.ai is tuned for jazz, rather, it has very smooth mid range which happens to synergize very nicely with jazz.  The non-S version (older version) is considered to be very neutral, with a hint of warmth, and very detailed. The S version, I heard, has bass boosted a little bit.

post #13107 of 14174
Quote:
Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Funny thing is, I use my M6 more than any of those except maybe the Philips, which makes for a good benchmark. The M6 just fits so well and stays so securely in my ears, and I know it will survive if I get a little sweat on it or if the cable gets snagged.

I tried replacing it with other sets as my active IEM but none have quite worked out. The Westove ADV was closest but I end up focusing on how crappy it sounds for $200. 

Yeah the fit was really good in my opinion. Wish the ATHIM50s had their small housing. With that being said, I have no idea what happened to my clear pair. Might have to pick up another pair for jogging.
post #13108 of 14174

do they do blind listening tests in these parts? if so, it'd be interesting to see how many folks prefer, say, the $50 vsonics to the the $200 models.

post #13109 of 14174
Quote:
Originally Posted by loomisjohnson View Post
 

do they do blind listening tests in these parts? if so, it'd be interesting to see how many folks prefer, say, the $50 vsonics to the the $200 models.

It's not about looking at an iem and hearing it better just because you know it's more expensive.  But to answer your question I can tell apart even iems with smaller differences like the 3 vsonic VSD1 versions in a blind test let alone something higher-end.

Anyway, I still don't get what are you looking for? I already told you - there are great cheap iems but there are still no iems in existence that cost $50 and will fool anyone who knows high-end sound in a blind comparison with a good $200 one. 

Still as I said the cheap stuff is getting better and better and just a few years ago there were iems that cost 200 bucks and weren't as good as a bunch of the nowadays' sub-$100 ones, so who knows how much the low and mid-fi stuff will improve in the next few years - it's possible that at some point in the future they'll catch up but that time still hasn't come. 

post #13110 of 14174
It has just occurred to me that even though the JH lineup have Freqphase, in reviews people have said that despite this the Fitear 334 (Togo however I want to get the MH custom version for better fit & isolation) is very comparable, despite them not using Freqphase technology. I assume that this means the BA drivers of the Fitears are superior and that once fitear implements Freqphase that they will be much better than JH's set. Is frequency phase patented by JH?

I also am leaning towards the SE-5 as apparently they can change the decay of the sound to make it sound more organic. But they are made of silicone, doesn't silicone tear easily and acrylic is a harder material do I would assume it is more durable.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Multi-IEM Review - 318 IEMs compared (Impressions of DN-2000, Altone200, Fidue A83 added p. 945)