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post #12886 of 14186
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

Pretty close to the V3, which is held back somewhat by its heavy bass, in overall SQ. However, I wouldn't call it an upgrade from the B2 and GR07BE because of its significantly warmer, more colored sound signature. The V6-Stage makes for a much better upgrade from the B2/DBA or GR07 because it's also quite neutral, just performs better on a technical level. There's an SM64 comparison in the V6-Stage review: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/1964ears-v6-stage/ 

 

Ahh, thanks for that!

 

When you have a great IEM you got for $100 and there's no clear upgrade except for a mid-range CIEM... #audiophileproblems

post #12887 of 14186
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Originally Posted by Goombi View Post
 

Hey |joker|!

 

Thanks for putting this thread together :D

 

I recently lost my Audio Technica CKS-1000's in a snowstorm and wanted a <$100 option to replace them and went with the Sony XBA-C10's and XBA-1's to try.

 

I was wondering if you could recommend me something like the XBA-C10's. I love the soundstage, clarity, upper-mids and highs, and the tightness of the bass even though it rolls off a bit. However, I am yearning for that impact of a bit more bass.

 

I don't want anything bass heavy, but just because of the nature of the single armature, it just feels like even though the bass is there, I'm not getting the oomph from it.

 

Requirements: 

y-cable

inline mic and remote (preferably with volume controls)

straight down (I find it gets really finnicky with glasses for over-the-ear)

< $150 

 

Thanks!

 

I've never tried the XBA-C10 and the XBA-1 only briefly at a show. Assuming the C10 sounds like most other good sub-$100 single BAs it's going to be tough to find an upgrade that fits all of your requirements. For example the GR07, my default recommendation for an accurate-sounding earphone that's not lacking in bass, fails on two counts for you (3 if you count price). 

 

Sets I would recommend for the type of sound you're describing with headset functionality and a cable-down fit (keep in mind I haven't heard the C10): JVC HA-FRD80 and SteelSeries Flux In-Ear. The FRD80 might be a touch too bassy but the bass quality is quite good. The Flux has very nice bass that's far from excessive but might have a little less clarity than the C10 if the C10 can run with the likes of the MEElec A161 and Ultimate Ears 600. 

 

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Originally Posted by vaed View Post
 

 

Ahh, thanks for that!

 

When you have a great IEM you got for $100 and there's no clear upgrade except for a mid-range CIEM... #audiophileproblems

 

True that :D. I find it especially applicable when it comes to well-rounded IEMs like the GR07.

post #12888 of 14186

Hi ljokerl,

 

could you please advise a reasonable upgrade-path (from lets say $50 to $1000+) for transparent/analytical/neutral (to slightly bright) sounding (C)IEMs?

 

Many, many thanks. :)

post #12889 of 14186
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Originally Posted by 991 Carrera 4S View Post
 

Hi ljokerl,

 

could you please advise a reasonable upgrade-path (from lets say $50 to $1000+) for transparent/analytical/neutral (to slightly bright) sounding (C)IEMs?

 

Many, many thanks. :)

 

Interesting question. I would say:

 

$50-100: VSonic VC02 or Etymotic Research MC5, MEElec A161P if you want to jump into BA right away

$100-200: Etymotic HF5 or Rock-It Sounds R-50/VSonic VC1000/Brainwavz B2

$200+: Etymotic ER4S, j-Phonic K2 SP (if you're in Japan)

Customs: 1964EARS V6-Stage (balanced), JHAudio JH13 Pro (bassier), Hidition NT 6 (brighter)

 

I bolded my personal picks at each level. 

post #12890 of 14186
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

Interesting question. I would say:

 

$50-100: VSonic VC02 or Etymotic Research MC5, MEElec A161P if you want to jump into BA right away

$100-200: Etymotic HF5 or Rock-It Sounds R-50/VSonic VC1000/Brainwavz B2

$200+: Etymotic ER4S, j-Phonic K2 SP (if you're in Japan)

Customs: 1964EARS V6-Stage (balanced), JHAudio JH13 Pro (bassier), Hidition NT 6 (brighter)

 

I bolded my personal picks at each level. 

I would also include:

$350-600: Westone 4, Shure 535 and Noble 4

$600-900: Noble 6 (balanced), Shure 846(bass but with incredible control)

post #12891 of 14186
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Originally Posted by 991 Carrera 4S View Post
 

Hi ljokerl,

 

could you please advise a reasonable upgrade-path (from lets say $50 to $1000+) for transparent/analytical/neutral (to slightly bright) sounding (C)IEMs?

 

Many, many thanks. :)

 

 

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Originally Posted by Buddhahacker View Post
 

I would also include:

$350-600: Westone 4, Shure 535 and Noble 4

$600-900: Noble 6 (balanced), Shure 846(bass but with incredible control)

 

I think ljokerl did not include them because 991 Carrera 4S  mentioned 'slightly brighter'.

 

I have only tried SE535 (both CL and LTD-J versions) and currently own the Noble 4C (not the N4) among the IEMs you mentioned. I don't think either of them fit the 'slightly brighter' description.

post #12892 of 14186

Joker, 

 

I have the VSD1S and was wondering just how much of an upgrade the Fidue A63 was over it. The way you explained it mirrors what I'm looking for: clear, good vocals (especially for females), and a bit less bass. Is it worth buying or should I get something else? I'm willing to spend up to $100, don't want the re-400 due to quality issues, and also think I want something with bass that's maybe in between the two. 

post #12893 of 14186
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Originally Posted by esanthosh View Post
 

 

 

 

I think ljokerl did not include them because 991 Carrera 4S  mentioned 'slightly brighter'.

 

I have only tried SE535 (both CL and LTD-J versions) and currently own the Noble 4C (not the N4) among the IEMs you mentioned. I don't think either of them fit the 'slightly brighter' description.

 

Yeah, I thought my other picks like the VC1000, ER4S, JH13, V6-Stage, and NT6 were a better match for "neutral-to-bright"+ analytical than the Noble 4S/SE535/W4. All good earphones though.

 

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Originally Posted by FajroMangxanto View Post
 

Joker, 

 

I have the VSD1S and was wondering just how much of an upgrade the Fidue A63 was over it. The way you explained it mirrors what I'm looking for: clear, good vocals (especially for females), and a bit less bass. Is it worth buying or should I get something else? I'm willing to spend up to $100, don't want the re-400 due to quality issues, and also think I want something with bass that's maybe in between the two. 

 

It's hard to pick a winner between them because the signatures are different. The VSD1S is more v-shaped - it has more bass and sounds warmer and more full-bodied as a result. It also has brighter, more energetic treble and sounds more sibilant as a result.  The A63 has less bass, more mids, and better midrange clarity because it lacks the midrange recession and bass emphasis of the VSonics. I should be able to say more in a few days as I'll be starting work on my final review of the Fidue sets but so far I've quite liked what I heard out of the A63. 

post #12894 of 14186

Hi Joker, sorry to keep bugging you about the V3 but since Alex said they could make me a universal 1964 V3, I am considering them again. The only thing I'm worried about is the treble being too soft for my liking. Or, more specifically, how "clear" the V3 sounds.

For reference, I thought the GR07 Bass Edition was had good clarity and good treble, except for the slight sibilance on some tracks. I thought the DN-1000 also had good clarity, but almost sounded a bit metallic to my ears. Same with the UE900 actually, but I'm guessing they both use the same filter on their TWFK drivers since they sounded pretty similar to me.

I also thought the RHA MA750 and DUNU DN-23, ATH-CK100, Shure SE535 and SE846 I tried were a bit too soft in the treble and lacked clarity.

 

Do you think I would be satisfied with the clarity on the V3?

post #12895 of 14186
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

 

It's hard to pick a winner between them because the signatures are different. The VSD1S is more v-shaped - it has more bass and sounds warmer and more full-bodied as a result. It also has brighter, more energetic treble and sounds more sibilant as a result.  The A63 has less bass, more mids, and better midrange clarity because it lacks the midrange recession and bass emphasis of the VSonics. I should be able to say more in a few days as I'll be starting work on my final review of the Fidue sets but so far I've quite liked what I heard out of the A63. 

 

Alright, cool! I'm really thinking these may be my next buy based on how you're describing them plus the fact that Fostex priced the Te-05s out of my price range. So I can't way for more details. Thanks!

post #12896 of 14186
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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post
 

Hi Joker, sorry to keep bugging you about the V3 but since Alex said they could make me a universal 1964 V3, I am considering them again. The only thing I'm worried about is the treble being too soft for my liking. Or, more specifically, how "clear" the V3 sounds.

For reference, I thought the GR07 Bass Edition was had good clarity and good treble, except for the slight sibilance on some tracks. I thought the DN-1000 also had good clarity, but almost sounded a bit metallic to my ears. Same with the UE900 actually, but I'm guessing they both use the same filter on their TWFK drivers since they sounded pretty similar to me.

I also thought the RHA MA750 and DUNU DN-23, ATH-CK100, Shure SE535 and SE846 I tried were a bit too soft in the treble and lacked clarity.

 

Do you think I would be satisfied with the clarity on the V3?

 

 

The V3 doesn't lack clarity or treble presence. It's not the brightest thing out there, and it is a little smoother than the GR07 and DN-1000, but it doesn't lose out to the GR07 in clarity. It just has lots more bass that - on occasion - can take away from the overall poise and cleanliness of its sound. 

 

I compared the V3 to the DN-1000 here: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/dunu-dn-1000/

And to the UE900 here: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/1964ears-1964-v3/ 

post #12897 of 14186

Just to provide some very, very brief overview of my experience of the RHA MA750, Yamaha EPH-100, and Sony MH1C. This is virtually all from memory so I can't make fantastic comparisons, but on averages they should roughly be right. Mainly used R&B and hip-hop tracks on an iPhone 5S, so for different genres recommendations may be different:

 

RHA MA750 - Only tried for a short while, so my pair weren't broken in. Once broken in they could change, but I think that the issues I had with them would still be present after break-in. 

Very good bass extension. Goes very deep indeed. Not enough impact for my liking, it simply wasn't aggressive enough. Mids are very recessed, and lower treble is definitely accentuated. Overall quite a different sound signature to the other two, and not one that I like (reminds me of listening to an extremely compressed MP3). Enclosure was too big for me to get a long-lasting seal. Packaging was mediocre, but the build of the IEMs themselves was brilliant. Cable was lovely, accessories included were good, though the tips are definitely a little delicate and the case is a little rubbish (the zip is a single one that comes back round at the end, so you can actually zip it up unevenly). My advice for putting tips on, gently fold the bottom flanges back.

 

Sony MH1C

My "old" IEM. Bass quantity is a tad too much, often drowned out the mids. Good extension, and relatively good detail but quite slow. Difficult to say whether mids were a tad recessed or the bass took over, but very similar to the EPH-100 in this respect. More treble, and overall more balanced compared to a pair of EPH-100s with less than an hour on them (I'd expect this to change), but due to a lack of detail in comparison you almost don't get this impression. They sound rather congested, busy, and less open compared to the EPH-100s (again, with under an hour on them). Packaging is of course minimal, but at least it wasn't a pain. Accessories are basic, but again, OEM part. Flat cable is sort of tangle prone, but easily unravelled. The uneven weighting means they constantly fall out, and you can't fit them over the ear because the remote (which as you'd imagine doesn't work with iOS devices) gets in the way.

 

Yamaha EPH-100

Bloody awful packaging. Horrible sharp sealed plastic packaging to hold everything together (same as stuff you get from a hardware store) as opposed to a box (so once they're open, they're not going to be repackaged). The plastic tray to get the IEMs out of also requires a bit of a pull on the cable, unless you press through the back hard. Bass impact is great, and the bass in terms of quantity is a little less than the MH1C, but it's noticeably quicker. Definitely more agility and detail at the low-end. Mids appear to have more presence than the MH1Cs; it seems that there is better balance between the mids and low-end than the MH1C. Treble right now is more recessed (again, I would have thought this will change). However, as above, there is more detail, which actually gives the impression that there is more treble than there actually is (no bad thing). Cable is tangle prone, and rather thing - we'll see how it holds up, should be fine. Overall, sounds extremely similar to the MH1C, but has more detail, is more open, and is just easier to listen to. My only issue, as they're now discontinued, if they break, I have to hunt for another pair or look elsewhere!

 

If you really like the MH1C but want an overall upgrade, I'd strongly suggest skipping the MA750s and jumping to the EPH-100s.

post #12898 of 14186

Hi,

 

I am looking for the most natural sounding IEM's up to 100€. I like warm(ish), but forward mids, good treble extension and presence but non fatigating (this is very important), and non accentuated bass, but still with some good impact (not boomy at all!).  My reference are the Blox M2c (earbuds, not IEM's, I know), and I would like some IEM's that sound the closest to the Blox's. 

 

Would the GR07 be a good choice? If not, what would be?

 

Thanks!


Edited by danimoca - 2/11/14 at 8:44am
post #12899 of 14186
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Originally Posted by danimoca View Post
 

Hi,

 

I am looking for the most natural sounding IEM's up to 100€. I like warm(ish), but forward mids, good treble extension and presence but non fatigating (this is very important), and non accentuated bass, but still with some good impact (not boomy at all!).  My reference are the Blox M2c (earbuds, not IEM's, I know), and I would like some IEM's that sound the closest to the Blox's. 

 

Would the GR07 be a good choice? If not, what would be?

 

Thanks!

 

    i think you should consider re-400 , its warm , forward mids , good extension , and non accentuated bass . never heard the blox .

post #12900 of 14186
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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

 

    i think you should consider re-400 , its warm , forward mids , good extension , and non accentuated bass . never heard the blox .

ClieOS told me the Blox were fun and dynamic, and that the RE-400 were very diferent... Before that I was also considering the RE-400 :confused_face(1): 

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