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post #12301 of 14166

100 Ohms seems right. I suppose it's mainly designed to be used as a DAC feeding an amp. So the Dragonfly would be better for your purpose and also smaller which (at least to me) could be the final argument to throw it into the cpu case.

post #12302 of 14166

can you do me a fidelio s1 and re-400 shoot out ? which one is better when it comes to sq ?

post #12303 of 14166
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

100 ohm output impedance? Are you sure? That's poor design by any measure, but especially unsuitable for Balanced Armature IEMs. 


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For the VSonic GR07 you want the mkII - it's a little less sibilant from what I understand (and based on my experience with the GR07BE).

For Fischer it depends on the price difference (as far as I know they don't make the mkI anymore but you can buy it as the Brainwavz B2). I tend to favor the DBA-02 mkII for its sturdier build and more compact/comfortable form factor.

Anyway, the GR07 and S2 put the bass a bit ahead of the mids so if you want to prioritize midrange go for one of the DBA-02 variations. The Brainwavz B2 might be significantly cheaper than the Fischer version. 
Among these IEMs, which one has less fatigue to the ear and also the most comfortable to wear for a long time like 2 to 3 hrs nonstop?
post #12304 of 14166
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Among these IEMs, which one has less fatigue to the ear and also the most comfortable to wear for a long time like 2 to 3 hrs nonstop?

Depends on a few factors like the source and/or files you'll be using, type of music and if you're sensitive to treble.  I've not heard the B2/DBA-02 but I understand most TWFK-based IEMs tend to be on the brighter side.  I can speak on the GR07 MKII though, and it does have a tendency to be harsh/sibilant depending on what you're listening to primarily.  I know the GR07 is quite comfortable and I can have them in for 3+ hours with no issues, and I imagine similar can be said with the B2/DBA-02 as well, but again it could be dependent on what sleeves work best for you.  The GR07 will have more bass and thus be warmer comparatively, but the B2/DBA-02 reportedly has the upper hand in clarity and resolution with more forward midrange comparatively...but either will be quite neutral in general in the grand scheme.

 

Perhaps you may also want to consider the HiFiMan RE-400?  It may not have quite the prominence, resolution or be as analytical in the treble but it is still well extended and would likely be less fatiguing (certainly when compared to the GR07 MKII in some cases).  The midrange is very pleasing, present and detailed and the bass is also well extended and gives them a sense of warmth without overshadowing anything...very coherent  sound if you ask me.  The midrange is special on these for sure, and they remain very transparent...probably not on the level of the B2/DBA-02 but still really impressive.  If you are concerned with listening fatigue, this would be my first recommendation.  Otherwise, the GR07 is probably more comfortable physically.

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Hi there, 

Anybody heard , about fake Yamaha EPH-100? 

 

 

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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

I couldn't find anything specific but I suspect I may have one (purchased used) - there's something odd about it with the finish and strain reliefs so I'm curious if that is the case.  I just ordered another from a different seller with full retail packaging and will compare the two and post impressions here.

 

To follow up on this as I've received my new pair, I think what I originally got was indeed a fake.  Even at a short distance they look almost identical, but I've got an eye for detail and there was just something off even comparing them to pictures others have taken.  I don't know if there was a change in how the EPH-100 is made but I couldn't find anything on that.  I've got a small comparison so others can see what I mean (and I'll post this to the EPH-100 thread as well):

 

 
I placed a red F next to the suspected fake pair - here are a few points in the visual comparison:
 
- In the first picture, the nozzles look different but I think that is just a fingerpint :p - size wise they are pretty identical.
- The aluminum shell appears to be CNC routed as per usual but the grooves are more apparent.  The real one seems more finished...if you look very closely you can see that it has very fine grooves from when it was made but it appears to have been polished smooth afterwards.
- The strain reliefs are a bit smaller/softer on the alleged fake, and the cable has a slightly smaller diameter and is a bit softer with the real one being stiffer.  TRS plugs and y-split look identical.
- The printing is a bit lighter, slightly off center in the case of the logo.
- The driver mesh seems to be woven and more transparent so you can see the reflection of the driver beneath on the fake.  The real one which appears to be a single perforated cover with the driver not visible beneath, so most likely the drivers are completely different.  The driver mesh is also a bit off/crooked when viewed at an angle.
 
I don't have any in depth listening results at this point, but after trying the real pair for about 15 minutes it seems apparent this is what they should sound like.  I'll try to do an A-B comparison later today but I'm sending the other pair back tomorrow.  It's a shame, but my advice is to always buy from a reputable dealer or head-fier, especially if you get anything used.
post #12306 of 14166
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

To follow up on this as I've received my new pair, I think what I originally got was indeed a fake.  Even at a short distance they look almost identical, but I've got an eye for detail and there was just something off even comparing them to pictures others have taken.  I don't know if there was a change in how the EPH-100 is made but I couldn't find anything on that.  I've got a small comparison so others can see what I mean (and I'll post this to the EPH-100 thread as well):

Interesting reading (and pictures), thanks for sharing.
post #12307 of 14166

Hi Folks, 

 

Just a quick question. I am in the UK and am getting my new portable rig sorted for Christmas.

 

It should be something like this Note 3 -> USBOTG -> Microstreamer (or alternative) -> IEM's. However I am struggling what IEM's to go for. I am in the UK and we seem to have a few good deals available at the moment. I have Sony MH1C at the moment, which I like, but too warm for my liking. My home set-up is Grado SR-80i's (vent modded) and I love the forward sound, so I would ideally like something similar to the Grado sound, I have read that the Microstreamer can be a bit bright though. These are my options at the moment:

 

Super.fi 5vi @ £32 

RE-400's @ £78

Brainwavz B2 @ £86

Rock IT R50 @ £75

Sony XBA-H1 @ £78

 

I see Joker gave the Super.fi 5's an 8.6 for sound quality, so going by that £32 seems to be a bargain. But do you think that the B2's or R50's are going to be a lot better (baring in mind the price difference)?

I can also get the Sony XBA-3ip's for £104, which seems a good deal for triple armature, that's really at the top of my budget though, as the Microstreamer is £170. Any help making a choice would be fantastic. I listen to a broad range of music, from rock to reggae. 

 

Thanks in advance folks, and happy Christmas, 

 

Jim

post #12308 of 14166
I think getting a Microstreamer for £170 and pairing with £50-100 iems will most likely not give you the best sound quality you can for your money. I originally bought my S4 just because of the ability to use USB-sound out to a DAC. I just found it to be too much of a hassle. And my Apex Glacier doesn't work with my S4. Anyway. I would go ahead and get some iems that suit you first. Put in as much as you feel is appropriate. Pairing a pair of £32 S.fi 5vi with a £170 microstreamer will most likely sound worse than buying a pair of UE900, W4 or similar.

The R-50 with comply tips (Ts) are awesome btw.
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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post
 

can you do me a fidelio s1 and re-400 shoot out ? which one is better when it comes to sq ?

 

The RE-400 is more efficient, warmer in tone, and boasts more intimate mids and a more in-the-head presentation overall. 

 

The Fidelio S1 has more subbass & bass in general but is also less warm overall and a touch clearer as a result. The mids on the S1 are less forward. Tonally, it is somewhat brighter and has more upper midrange presence. It is also more spacious overall and has a wider soundstage but gives up the intimate feel and more well-rounded presentation (in terms of depth and width being more even) of the RE-400.

 

They're about on-par for me, just different signatures. 

 

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Among these IEMs, which one has less fatigue to the ear and also the most comfortable to wear for a long time like 2 to 3 hrs nonstop?

 

Sound-wise for me the S2 is the least fatiguing, followed closely by the GR07 and DBA-02. But like modulor said if listening fatigue is a big consideration, a less bright earphone like the RE-400 might be worth looking at.

 

I find the DBA-02 mkII the most comfortable, then the GR07, then the DBA-02 mkI, and then the S2, partly because I prefer over-the-ear to cable-down.

 

 

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Interesting reading (and pictures), thanks for sharing.

 

 

+1, thanks for sharing!

 

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Originally Posted by bigjim View Post
 

Hi Folks, 

 

Just a quick question. I am in the UK and am getting my new portable rig sorted for Christmas.

 

It should be something like this Note 3 -> USBOTG -> Microstreamer (or alternative) -> IEM's. However I am struggling what IEM's to go for. I am in the UK and we seem to have a few good deals available at the moment. I have Sony MH1C at the moment, which I like, but too warm for my liking. My home set-up is Grado SR-80i's (vent modded) and I love the forward sound, so I would ideally like something similar to the Grado sound, I have read that the Microstreamer can be a bit bright though. These are my options at the moment:

 

Super.fi 5vi @ £32 

RE-400's @ £78

Brainwavz B2 @ £86

Rock IT R50 @ £75

Sony XBA-H1 @ £78

 

I see Joker gave the Super.fi 5's an 8.6 for sound quality, so going by that £32 seems to be a bargain. But do you think that the B2's or R50's are going to be a lot better (baring in mind the price difference)?

I can also get the Sony XBA-3ip's for £104, which seems a good deal for triple armature, that's really at the top of my budget though, as the Microstreamer is £170. Any help making a choice would be fantastic. I listen to a broad range of music, from rock to reggae. 

 

Thanks in advance folks, and happy Christmas, 

 

Jim

 

I agree with MoonYeol, it's tough to justify spending way more on a source than earphones in this tier. However, I don't know how bad the headphone out of your Galaxy is. I can't use my HTC phone with many IEMs because of its crappy audio hardware.

 

Anyway, to get closer to the Grado sound you probably will want a brighter set than the SF5 and RE-400. The B2 and R-50 (the latter with a tip change and maybe impedance adapter) would be good. The Ety HF5 would be good too if it's available at a reasonable price. The Fidelio S1 is good but has quite a bit more bass than these other options. Not sure how the H1 sounds but if the EX600 is any indication it could also be quite excellent. 

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can the brainwavz b2 be driver our of cowon j3 ? or does it need an amp .
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Planning to upgrade from Vsonic R07 MKII.

What do you recommend? 

I'm not a basshead but dont like total lack of it, like brainwavz b2 mentioned above. Previous page.

For that reason I prefer dynamic.

If there is a balanced, better in all aspects? Maybe?

Budget around £300 / $500

Thank you

post #12312 of 14166
Just got my Brainwavz B2's... 3 days from China to the UK, £61... cannot complain at all. They were at least 50% cheaper than everything else recommended around my query. They have been lauded as pretty darn good IEM's so why not save a bit of my budget and spend it on my family? smily_headphones1.gif

They are quite fun but I do get that brightness on the higher end of the spectrum and I'm picking up on sibilance on . They're certainly enjoyable and I'll be tweaking and playing around with EQ settings to get something lovely.

Is it possible to slightly tame the treble/brightness without trashing my love of the highs? I'm thinking of simple things like -dB on the EQ or maybe different tips. Not really talking of anything drastic as I've only had these in my ears for less than 2 hours now and I'm just thinking ahead smily_headphones1.gif
post #12313 of 14166

Try comply tips if you like foamies. I don't know about B2 but R-50 does improve in the sibilance department if you add some impedance.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by suman134 View Post

can the brainwavz b2 be driver our of cowon j3 ? or does it need an amp .

 

It's fine out of the J3. Perhaps not ideal as it pairs well with a warmer player, but it's more than enough to see the B2's potential. 

 

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Originally Posted by FARfromHOME View Post
 

Planning to upgrade from Vsonic R07 MKII.

What do you recommend? 

I'm not a basshead but dont like total lack of it, like brainwavz b2 mentioned above. Previous page.

For that reason I prefer dynamic.

If there is a balanced, better in all aspects? Maybe?

Budget around £300 / $500

Thank you

 

I'm not aware of anything that's better all around than the GR07. You'll always be giving something up. For example the Phonak PFE232 - it has a similar balance to the GR07 (a little more bass perhaps) and is more resolving overall with better soundstage depth, layering, and imaging. However, it has more recessed mids than the GR07, there's no improvement in clarity, and it's at least twice as expensive as the GR07.

 

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Originally Posted by ElcomeSoft View Post

Just got my Brainwavz B2's... 3 days from China to the UK, £61... cannot complain at all. They were at least 50% cheaper than everything else recommended around my query. They have been lauded as pretty darn good IEM's so why not save a bit of my budget and spend it on my family? smily_headphones1.gif

They are quite fun but I do get that brightness on the higher end of the spectrum and I'm picking up on sibilance on . They're certainly enjoyable and I'll be tweaking and playing around with EQ settings to get something lovely.

Is it possible to slightly tame the treble/brightness without trashing my love of the highs? I'm thinking of simple things like -dB on the EQ or maybe different tips. Not really talking of anything drastic as I've only had these in my ears for less than 2 hours now and I'm just thinking ahead smily_headphones1.gif
 
Playing around with different tips is definitely a good idea. Not sure what the B2 comes with these days but there should be some Complys included. I also got good results with thick/narrow opening single-flange tips (from an older Shure set) as well as triple-flanges if they are comfortable for you.
 
Beyond that there's always the EQ - the 5 - 8k range usually contains most of the sibilance. 
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

I'm not aware of anything that's better all around than the GR07. You'll always be giving something up. For example the Phonak PFE232 - it has a similar balance to the GR07 (a little more bass perhaps) and is more resolving overall with better soundstage depth, layering, and imaging. However, it has more recessed mids than the GR07, there's no improvement in clarity, and it's at least twice as expensive as the GR07.

 

When I had the Westone 4R for 3 weeks I thought they were technically superior to the GR07 all around, just the fit wasn't for me. That was the clearance sale @ $299 though. 

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