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Thanks for the reply. I do fear they miss some slam. Im not a 'bass head' but i do listen to IDM. Its more about vast swirling soundscapes and technical details for me than pure bass drive. Having said that I imagine i might play a few PC games on them from time to time ..

 

what would be simulary neutral and transparent to the RE-400 but with a tiny bit more bass presence?

 

Take a look at the BA200 from TDK. It has slightly more bass presence than the RE-400 and should be in your budget at $150 or so.   

 

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Originally Posted by 991 Carrera 4S View Post
 

Hi ljokerl, reading through your reviews since days. Absolutely fabulous work!

Now seeking your advice for final decision making:

 

What I have:

- UE700 logitech-version (they were 50% off, got them from amazon germany for approx. $127 incl. shipping&tax; had no idea of dynamic drivers, BA, TWFK, sound signatures, ... at that time)

- used with ts comply foams (not for sound, but for fitting concerns)

- played a bit with equalizer presets (have no other IEMs for comparison) and seemed to like non-equalized most

 

What I search for:

- sound-upgrade and preferably better comfort

- for listening at home with my Nokia Lumia 920

- preferably a CIEM or at least custom-molded ear tips

- price limit about $400 incl. shipping&tax

 

Preferred sound signature:

- especially important (in alphabetical order): definition, detail, imaging, presence, transparence

- furthermore: analytical (for at-home-listening; don't know whether a most-analytic sound would be too much), forward

- maybe also: bright, brilliant, natural, sparkling, tight

- not: coloured (slightly at most), distant

 

Possible issues:

- small/narrow/strange ears/canals? (not sure, but the UE700 with comply foams are the first not tending to fall out of my ears ^^)

- could be disappointed if the new (C)IEM is missing something compared to my UE700?

 

Options in no particular order (non-custom-IEMs excl. (!) approx. $84 for custom-molded ear tips):

- Fischer Audio DBA-02 mkII (from amazon germany approx. $344 o_O incl. shipping&tax)

- Etymotic Research ER-4S (from amazon uk approx. $297 incl. shipping&tax)

- Brainwavz B2 (from amazon uk approx. $98 incl. shipping&tax)

- j-phonic K2 SP (how/where to get?)

- other non-custom IEMs available inside EU?

- other non-custom IEMs available outside EU?

- Custom Art Music One (approx. $291 incl. shipping&tax)

- Custom Art Music Two (pre-order price approx. $374 incl. shipping&tax) (frequence response: Music One, Music Two; Music Two sound description by piotrus-g)

- other custom-IEMs shipping from EU?

- other custom-IEMs shipping from outside EU?

 

Also considered InEar StageDiver 2, but they cost approx. $496 incl. shipping&tax + additional approx. $84 for custom-molded ear tips = approx. $580, so almost 50% above limit. Moreover, SD-2 with dual-armature 2-way design you have scored 9.3 in sound quality, whereas Custom Art Music One with single-armature 1-way only costs half the money and scored 9.2, and the upgraded Custom Art Music Two with dual-armature 1-way is on pre-order for only $374 incl. shipping&tax.

 

Opinions on the aforementioned (C)IEMs regarding my requirements?

Other recommendations?

What would be a noticeable upgrade worth the money?

 

Many thanks in advance!


Wow, at those prices ($350 for a DBA-02??) it really seems like the Music One is your best bet for the following reasons -

1. It's really hard to upgrade from the UE700 in comfort without going custom, period

2. It ticks most of your boxes, at least as much as an IEM in your price range can

3. It seems like with that you're not getting a hugely worse price than if you were located in the US or Asia

4. No need to invest an extra $80+ in custom tips

 

Things to consider

1. The Music One is less bright than the UE700. If you're used to the UE700's treble it may take a little bit of time to get used to having less "sparkle" but I still think the Music One sounds more natural overall

2. The Music One is not clearer than the UE700, in part because it is not as bright

3. Not sure about the audio of the Lumia 920 but a lot of the (android) smartphones I've tried don't sound great with BA earphones. I would expect the UE700 to be more sensitive to this than the Music One, though, so it seems like you're okay there.

 

From Peter's description the Music Two sounds awesome as well but of course I can't really have an opinion on it based on just graphs. 

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Take a look at the BA200 from TDK. It has slightly more bass presence than the RE-400 and should be in your budget at $150 or so.   

Do you finally have the BA200 in your queue?
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The W3 is not problematic at all with narrow canals. My issue was that the tubby housings prevented a comfortable deep insertion to minimize sibilance and maximize isolation with my ears. I think the new W30 is better designed for this, at least based on my experience with the Westone Adv, but it's also a lot more than $160.

The MA750 is heavier than the W3 but I've been genuinely surprised by its comfort. I expected that the non-angled nozzles would be a problem, as well as the weight, but the form-fitted cables work surprisingly well and the weight and design are not an issue. It's nearly as comfortable for me as the GR07. Isolation is a little better than with the GR07. 

The MA750's form fitted cables makes me wonder if it's going to be a pain storing them. What if you bend the form fitted cables, are they going to break? The price of MA750 makes me wonder what did they leave out making this stuff, compared to the W3 what would you say the MA750 lack?

I'm also very interested in the GR07-BE's sound. It sounds like it has the best sound out of the bunch and the only thing it lacks is isolation. How much more isolation does the W3 or MA750 provide over the GR07?
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Short impressions one the TDK BA200, Brainwavz R3, Fidue A63, and Fidue A81. Reposted from http://theheadphonelist.com/brief-thoughts-tdk-ba200-brainwavz-r3-fidue-a63-a81-ear-earphones/ .

 

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Below are a few thoughts on a couple of my new IEMs. These are either noteworthy sets that are not near the top of my queue yet or IEMs that I’ve listened to but don’t plan to review at all for one reason or another. These notes are based on brief listening impressions done over the course of a few evenings.

TDK BA200 ($150)

TDK BA200

TDK BA200

I’ve long wanted to try TDK’s dual-BA flagship earphone but the opportunity has always gotten away from me, until now. Big thanks to kind fellow Head-Fier ericr for finally making it happen!

First impressions are positive – the packaging is simple and there’s not too many accessories – just two sizes of foam tips and two sizes of bi-flanges, along with a soft pouch, shirt clip, and some replacement filters. The earphones are designed for over-the-ear wear and very comfortable in the ear. The y-split, on the other hand, is quite bulky an occasionally gets caught on things. Not a big deal. So far I am enjoying these with the Shure Olives and the EarSonics double-flange tips.

The sound of the BA200 is as comfortable as the fit. It’s a smooth-sounding earphone with a tonal character slightly on the warm side of neutral.  In many ways it reminds me of the HiFiMan RE-400, just less mid-centric (a good thing) and a little warmer due to a greater amount of mid-bass boost. The BA200 is a punchy earphone overall and the clarity is very good. The treble is very smooth but still crisp and resolving. The BA200 a little more revealing of sibilance, which the RE-400 tends to downplay.

Long story short, the BA200 so far seems like a slightly better RE-400, which is not at all a bad place to be as the RE-400 is one of my absolute favorite sets in its price range. The BA200 will definitely get a full review in due time.

Brainwavz R3 ($130)

Brainwavz R3The Brainwavz R3 is a dual-dynamic earphone with a very unique form factor. In this case unique doesn’t necessarily mean good, however, as I really can’t seem to get comfortable with these earphones.

The design is a straight-nozzle one but the housings are oriented perpendicular to the nozzles. The twin 10mm drivers feed into the nozzle, one from each side. The housings are aluminum and not too heavy but the super heavy-duty cable is somewhat unwieldy. The memory wire section is extremely long, which in a way is a blessing. The only way I can really wear these securely is with the cable exiting down, and then looping over the ear from there.

The earphones come with a nice, spacious case, which makes sense for these with their odd shape and extremely thick cable, and a ton of tips.

The sound quality of the R3 is very impressive – balanced, with level bass and smooth treble. It is not unlike the HiFiMan RE-400 in sound signature and is smoother and much less bright than Brainwavz’ other flagship, the dual-armature B2. Vocals on the R3 sound a little dull in comparison to the HiFiMan RE-400, like there’s more of an upper midrange dip. At the same time, it has a little more treble energy overall. The RE-400 has more midrange emphasis in comparison, slightly better clarity, and smoother highs with less dips and peaks. The R3 has got a very nice sense of space, though. In terms of sheer sound quality, the R3 really can should be able to compete with anything  in its price range.

However, while it may not necessarily be superior in sound, I like the RE-400 much, much better in terms of form factor. Therefore, the R3 is something I wouldn’t be too likely to recommend and it won’t get a full review.

Fidue A63 ($55) & A81 ($299)

Fidue is a new IEM brand coming out of China, founded by experienced headphone designer Benny Tan. From the company’s about page, Fidue sands for:

F —— Fidelity: Natural original voice of high fidelity.
I —— Inspired: The resonance of soul.
D —— Durable: Long-lived quality.
U —— Unique: The unique design.
E —— Enjoyable: Enjoy happily.

Regardless of the brand story, the company’s two very first earphones are interesting for their sound alone.

Fidue A63

When I first started listening to them I wasn’t sure of the pricing, but I remember thinking that the A63 would be very comfortable under $100. Turns out it’ll be priced closer to $50, which makes it look like an excellent value.

The packaging is quite nice on the A63 – not as lavish as with the higher-end model, but rather handsome and understated. Accessories include 5 types of silicone eartips and a soft pouch.

I do have an issue with the housings – I don’t understand why they made the metal edges so tall and sharp. The corners hurt after a while unless I switch to bi-flanges and position the housings farther in the ear. Not quite a deal breaker, but it could definitely have been more comfortable.

Sound-wise I like these a lot – better than the similarly-priced Astrotec AM-800, for example. Nice clarity and detail, not too much bass, but still punchy. Vocal clarity is absolutely fantastic on these – better than with the VSonic VSD1, I think. With the pricing I’m seeing this one appears to be a winner.

Fidue A81

The pricier A81 model takes it up several notches in terms of design. The packaging is extravagant – it greatly reminds me of the $1300 AKG K3003. The earphones come with a nice carrying case, gorgeous leather-covered storage case, foam and silicone eartips, shirt clip, and two cables – a headset cable with inline mic and remote, and a higher-quality stereo cable with no headset functionality. Overall the packaging and accessory set are not one bit less impressive than any of the flagships from western brands.

The housing design of the A81 is reminiscent of the Ultimate Ears 900 in the way it fits in the ear. It’s meant for over-the-ear wear and includes two interchangeable cables. The sockets are 2-pin, but unique in the way the connectors are designed. As a result the A81 cables don’t really work with other 2-pin earphones. The housings of the A81 are not small, but the earphones are comfortable. The only issue I’ve found so far is a bit of driver flex on insertion, which can cause a channel imbalance unless corrected.

The 10mm dynamic drivers of the A81 utilize titanium composites. At first I wasn’t too impressed with its sound, but it has grown on me over the past month. It’s got quite a bit of bass but seems to maintain composure pretty well – a touch of mid-bass bloat but nothing drastic. Bass depth is good. Mids and highs appear to be pretty flat and smooth, and the A81 not overly warm or thick despite the bass boost. Soundstage is pretty nice as well – the MOE-SS01, for example, sounds quite congested next to it.

Overall it’s definitely not a bad-sounding set but there are sub-$200 sets that I expect will be stiff competition – the VSonic GR07BE and RHA MA750 for example, so time will tell how well these compete on value.

The two Fidue earphones will be reviewed in full.

 

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Do you finally have the BA200 in your queue?

 

Yep ;) 

 

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The MA750's form fitted cables makes me wonder if it's going to be a pain storing them. What if you bend the form fitted cables, are they going to break? The price of MA750 makes me wonder what did they leave out making this stuff, compared to the W3 what would you say the MA750 lack?

I'm also very interested in the GR07-BE's sound. It sounds like it has the best sound out of the bunch and the only thing it lacks is isolation. How much more isolation does the W3 or MA750 provide over the GR07?
 
The MA750 comes with a really spacious case but I store them in a standard clamshell. The wire hasn't been a problem.
 
I don't know how to quantify isolation other than to say the W3 and MA750 isolate a little better than the GR07. It's noticeable, but it won't make a huge difference in day to day use. 
 
There's nothing wrong with the pricing on the MA750. The W3 uses balanced armatures which are a lot more expensive than dynamic drivers but there are dynamic-driver earphones that cost more than the W3. It's really up to the manufacturer what price tag to put on an earphone and it's up to us, the consumers, to figure out if that price is worth paying. 
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The MA750 comes with a really spacious case but I store them in a standard clamshell. The wire hasn't been a problem.
 
I don't know how to quantify isolation other than to say the W3 and MA750 isolate a little better than the GR07. It's noticeable, but it won't make a huge difference in day to day use. 
 
There's nothing wrong with the pricing on the MA750. The W3 uses balanced armatures which are a lot more expensive than dynamic drivers but there are dynamic-driver earphones that cost more than the W3. It's really up to the manufacturer what price tag to put on an earphone and it's up to us, the consumers, to figure out if that price is worth paying. 

 

I'm just going to buy all 4 headphones (W3, X10, MA750i, and GR07-BE) from amazon to test them out. Since I have prime anyway I'll just return all but the one I want the most. It's difficult to judge anyway unless I try them all out myself :D

 

BTW, any aftermarket tips that I should absolutely include to really get the most out of those IEM's? Like without them, the listening experience would be completely different.

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Hey Joker,

 

I'm new around here, & similarly a complete noob when it comes to the wonderful world of audiophillia - but having read through this review thread extensively along with your other links whilst lurking for the past couple of weeks - I think it's safe to say that you are one of the 'benchmark authorities' to seek advice from regarding IEMs due to the sheer expanse of the market that you seem to have sampled & experienced first hand.

 

So I was hoping that you might be able to help me out with my current situation. This was my original thread that I posted outlining what my dilemma was in fairly thorough & extensive detail (explaining my history, musical preferences, sources to be utilised, ideal sound signature, shortlist, thoughts so far, etc.): http://www.head-fi.org/t/696783/best-sub-600-iems-for-metalcore-melodic-hardcore-post-hardcore-melodic-death-metal-technical-death-metal-pop-punk-alternative-rock-guitar-centric-music-caution-massive-essay-ahead

 

But if that's a bit too much to get through - basically I've finally decided that it's the right time to upgrade my old Shure SE210s & really dive headfirst into a genuine audiophile-grade portable listening equipment - the real issue being that there is just such a range of options & unfortunately my location means that I have no practical way of testing any of them out for myself first hand prior to purchase. Which is why I have joined this site & posted in the hope that some of the many knowledgable & experienced users like yourself will be able to provide me with some much needed guidance & advice so that I can make the right decision since I'm potentially spending more than half a grand on these.

 

Anyway, I will attempt to summarise the most imporant parts of the thread that I posted.

 

 

I'm looking for a pair of sub-$600 IEMs that are going to bring the best out from well-produced metalcore/melodic hardcore/post-hardcore/technical death metal/pop punk & other genres with a distinct focus & emphasis on the melodic & technical aspects of the guitar work in particular.

 

Here are some downloadable examples in 320kbps as a reference to the range of stuff that I want them to excel at portraying if that helps at all:

 

- Erra - Spirits Away - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/29727834/file.html

- Erra - Alpha Seed - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/18064516/file.html

- Funeral for a Friend - All The Rage - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/9918121/file.html

- Funeral for a Friend - Roses For The Dead - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/38585131/file.html

- The Story So Far - The Glass - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/82056500/file.html

- Unearth - Arise The War Cry - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/73347622/file.html

- August Burns Red - Salt & Light - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/52058574/file.html

- Sylosis - Where The Sky Ends - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/44893918/file.html

- Sylosis - After Lifeless Years - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/18534370/file.html

- This or the Apocalypse - Hard Branch To Snap - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/39239113/file.html

- Counterparts - The Constant - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/62133368/file.html

- Corelia - The Sound Of Glaciers Moving - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/26319914/file.html

- Underoath - Reinventing Your Exit - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/92693435/file.html

- Underoath - Writing On The Walls - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/47012111/file.html

- Saosin - Collapse - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/31536920/file.html

- Darkest Hour - A Paradox With Flies - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/90234818/file.html

- Killswitch Engage - Rose Of Sharyn - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/63955287/file.html

- All That Remains - Six - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/85921316/file.html

- The Faceless - Leica - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/39400742/file.html

- Decrepit Birth - Diminishing Between Worlds - http://www35.zippyshare.com/v/453618/file.html

 

 

The short of it is - I want control & composure as a bit of finesse is important to me - but ultimately a fairly expansive & lush sound with plenty of articulate detail & dynamic impact that's going to enhance my overall listening experience & allow me to immerse myself in the music & it's inherent intricacies.

 

Being a guitarist myself, my main focus is on the guitars & particularly their tone & note definition, as well as the aggression, drive & impact of the drums. Vocals, both harsh & clean, are also important to me & should have plenty of prescence; but never at the obtuse expense of the guitars' coherence. I guess I'm ideally looking for a pair of IEMs that possess a certain poise & balance to provide an accurate, appealing, organic soundscape full of virility & texture with a sense of depth & intensity - but without sacrificing the clarity & instrument separation that is so vital to the kind of music that I listen to & my own personal tastes.

 

 

Low-end: Not really a basshead in terms of sheer power & quantity, but needs to be relatively deep - & as responsive, tight & punchy as possible, the kind that really hits you - but without any noticeable flubbiness/boominess.

 

Mids: I would prefer them to be slightly more prominent, certainly not significantly scooped, & rich in detail - but simultaneously quite smooth, natural & unobtrusive with good balance between upper/lower ends of the spectrum. No abrasive grainy 'ice pick' kind of phenomenons - but at the same time I don't want them to be veiled or muddy.

 

Highs: I do like my treble, so ideally it should be quite extended in range with plenty of sparkle & clarity to provide a bit of a distinctive edge to guitars & clean vocals & a nice shimmer to cymbals - somewhat bright, but short of entering sibilance-inducing territory.

 

 

I realise what I have described above may not be entirely possible within my financial limitations - but if you could provide me with anything that at least satisfies the majority of the criteria or is some sort of compromise between the characteristics, that would be absolutely wonderful.

 

True luxury high-end IEMs such as the Translucent 1Plus2, Unique Melody Miracle & JH-13/JH-16 seem as though they'd be pretty much exactly what I'm looking for judging from the reviews I've read - however they are all double my budget & simply unfeasible to justify coming from $100 SE210s.

 

So I suppose what I'm really after is a pair of IEMs that can at least stake a claim of coming close to the aforementioned heavy-hitters in most aspects. I've realised that may be what I have to settle for until I have the financial capability to construct a true audiophile-standard rig that will do justice to that kind of quality & price tag.

 

 

Here's the shortlist I've got so far from browsing through this thread & various others on the forum (including the prices they're available to me for at the moment):

 

Shure SE535 Special Edition - $465
Audio Technica ATH-CK100PRO - $385
Audio Technica ATH-IM04 - $550

Audio Technica ATH-IM03 - $370
Noble 4 - $450

Cardas EM5813 - $390

Westone UMX3-RC - $380

 

Heir 4.Ai - $400+
Tzar 90 - $360+
1964EARS 1964-V3 - $425+
1964EARS 1964-Q - $525+

 

 

Any help with figuring out which of these is really going to provide the kind of performance that I'm looking for would be truly appreciated. I really do want to get it right the first time since it is a substantial purchase & I can only really afford to own one set of high-end IEMs at this current point in time.

 

Right now, I'm leaning towards the Shure SE535 SE due to the SE210s serving me so well for so many years - as well as the IM04 since I've been extremely happy with my M50s & what I've heard so far indicates it might be able to satisfy my desires, but unfortunately there are very limited reviews of it right now & being the most expensive IEM on the current shortlist, it is therefore difficult to discern whether it would truly outperform everything else or not.

 

Any input on any of this whatsoever would be amazing.

 

Cheers


Edited by lamnidae - 12/28/13 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by Solarium View Post
 

I'm just going to buy all 4 headphones (W3, X10, MA750i, and GR07-BE) from amazon to test them out. Since I have prime anyway I'll just return all but the one I want the most. It's difficult to judge anyway unless I try them all out myself :D

 

BTW, any aftermarket tips that I should absolutely include to really get the most out of those IEM's? Like without them, the listening experience would be completely different.

 

With those IEMs you should get a pretty good idea of what you're looking at with just the stock tips.

 

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Originally Posted by lamnidae View Post
 

The short of it is - I want control & composure as a bit of finesse is important to me - but ultimately a fairly expansive & lush sound with plenty of articulate detail & dynamic impact that's going to enhance my overall listening experience & allow me to immerse myself in the music & it's inherent intricacies.

 

Being a guitarist myself, my main focus is on the guitars & particularly their tone & note definition, as well as the aggression, drive & impact of the drums. Vocals, both harsh & clean, are also important to me & should have plenty of prescence; but never at the obtuse expense of the guitars' coherence. I guess I'm ideally looking for a pair of IEMs that possess a certain poise & balance to provide an accurate, appealing, organic soundscape full of virility & texture with a sense of depth & intensity - but without sacrificing the clarity & instrument separation that is so vital to the kind of music that I listen to & my own personal tastes.

 

Low-end: Not really a basshead in terms of sheer power & quantity, but needs to be relatively deep - & as responsive, tight & punchy as possible, the kind that really hits you - but without any noticeable flubbiness/boominess.

 

Mids: I would prefer them to be slightly more prominent, certainly not significantly scooped, & rich in detail - but simultaneously quite smooth, natural & unobtrusive with good balance between upper/lower ends of the spectrum. No abrasive grainy 'ice pick' kind of phenomenons - but at the same time I don't want them to be veiled or muddy.

 

Highs: I do like my treble, so ideally it should be quite extended in range with plenty of sparkle & clarity to provide a bit of a distinctive edge to guitars & clean vocals & a nice shimmer to cymbals - somewhat bright, but short of entering sibilance-inducing territory.

 

Here's the shortlist I've got so far from browsing through this thread & various others on the forum (including the prices they're available to me for at the moment):

 

Shure SE535 Special Edition - $465
Audio Technica ATH-CK100PRO - $385
Audio Technica ATH-IM04 - $550

Audio Technica ATH-IM03 - $370
Noble 4 - $450

Cardas EM5813 - $390

Westone UMX3-RC - $380

 

Heir 4.Ai - $400+
Tzar 90 - $360+
1964EARS 1964-V3 - $425+
1964EARS 1964-Q - $525+

 

 

Any help with figuring out which of these is really going to provide the kind of performance that I'm looking for would be truly appreciated. I really do want to get it right the first time since it is a substantial purchase & I can only really afford to own one set of high-end IEMs at this current point in time.

 

Right now, I'm leaning towards the Shure SE535 SE due to the SE210s serving me so well for so many years - as well as the IM04 since I've been extremely happy with my M50s & what I've heard so far indicates it might be able to satisfy my desires, but unfortunately there are very limited reviews of it right now & being the most expensive IEM on the current shortlist, it is therefore difficult to discern whether it would truly outperform everything else or not.

 

Any input on any of this whatsoever would be amazing.

 

Cheers

 

I can't provide any feedback on most of the sets you're considering. The only ones I have heard are the 1964-V3, Westone UM3X, and the Cardas. I thought the Cardas was lacking in clarity for the price and can't recommend it at all. It's still sitting in my desk. The 1964-V3 has borderline basshead bass and doesn't seem like it would be a good fit for you, especially coming from an SE210. In that price range the Alclair Reference would be the custom I'd recommend but I still don't think it's a great fit for you. The SE535 would work better for you than all of those, although I haven't heard the SE535 SE.

 

From your requirements I would also suggest the StageDiver SD-2, which is not unlike the SE535 except that I didn't have as many nitpicks with its treble. It doesn't really have enhanced bass, but no less than the SE535. The mids are not forward, but not recessed either. Treble isn't bright and doesn't have too much sparkle, but again it's better than the SE535 I heard in that respect. Other than these reservations it ticks all of your boxes. 

post #12488 of 13430

Hi joker,

 

i'm really confuse to choose between gr07be, ba200, vc1000, re400, and eph100

i like to listen to jazz audiophile song, sometimes poprock songs like maroon5.

i really like clarity and detail, but also want some bass impact/quantity.

which one should i choose?

can you rank based on clarity from the list? (you had answered this question previously, but i add ba200)

and can you rank them based on bass quantity only? (may i add monoprice 8320 and vsd1s on the list :) )

thanks joker:)


Edited by dezane222 - 12/29/13 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by dezane222 View Post

Hi joker,

i'm really confuse to choose between gr07be, ba200, vc1000, re400, and eph100
i like to listen to jazz audiophile song, sometimes poprock songs like maroon5.
i really like clarity and detail, but also want some bass impact/quantity.
which one should i choose?
can you rank based on clarity from the list? (you had answered this question previously, but i add ba200)
and can you rank them based on bass quantity only?
thanks joker:)
Just curious why you did not consider Fischer Audio DBA02-MKII because it has very detail and good clarity?
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Just curious why you did not consider Fischer Audio DBA02-MKII because it has very detail and good clarity?


because many reviews i read about it say it lack of bass impact/quantity. so i think maybe it is not for my taste. just my guess

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I'm looking for a pair of sub-$600 IEMs that are going to bring the best out from well-produced metalcore/melodic hardcore/post-hardcore/technical death metal/pop punk & other genres with a distinct focus & emphasis on the melodic & technical aspects of the guitar work in particular.

The short of it is - I want control & composure as a bit of finesse is important to me - but ultimately a fairly expansive & lush sound with plenty of articulate detail & dynamic impact that's going to enhance my overall listening experience & allow me to immerse myself in the music & it's inherent intricacies.

Being a guitarist myself, my main focus is on the guitars & particularly their tone & note definition, as well as the aggression, drive & impact of the drums. Vocals, both harsh & clean, are also important to me & should have plenty of prescence; but never at the obtuse expense of the guitars' coherence. I guess I'm ideally looking for a pair of IEMs that possess a certain poise & balance to provide an accurate, appealing, organic soundscape full of virility & texture with a sense of depth & intensity - but without sacrificing the clarity & instrument separation that is so vital to the kind of music that I listen to & my own personal tastes.


Low-end: Not really a basshead in terms of sheer power & quantity, but needs to be relatively deep - & as responsive, tight & punchy as possible, the kind that really hits you - but without any noticeable flubbiness/boominess.

Mids: I would prefer them to be slightly more prominent, certainly not significantly scooped, & rich in detail - but simultaneously quite smooth, natural & unobtrusive with good balance between upper/lower ends of the spectrum. No abrasive grainy 'ice pick' kind of phenomenons - but at the same time I don't want them to be veiled or muddy.

Highs: I do like my treble, so ideally it should be quite extended in range with plenty of sparkle & clarity to provide a bit of a distinctive edge to guitars & clean vocals & a nice shimmer to cymbals - somewhat bright, but short of entering sibilance-inducing territory.

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Hope you don't mind my jumping in here. Reading your explanation of what you're looking for I would recommend you give the Earsonics SM64 serious consideration. Joker rated them highly and you can read the various comments I've made by doing a search on my user name.

-Eric
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Wow, at those prices ($350 for a DBA-02??) it really seems like the Music One is your best bet for the following reasons -

1. It's really hard to upgrade from the UE700 in comfort without going custom, period

2. It ticks most of your boxes, at least as much as an IEM in your price range can

3. It seems like with that you're not getting a hugely worse price than if you were located in the US or Asia

4. No need to invest an extra $80+ in custom tips

 

Things to consider

1. The Music One is less bright than the UE700. If you're used to the UE700's treble it may take a little bit of time to get used to having less "sparkle" but I still think the Music One sounds more natural overall

2. The Music One is not clearer than the UE700, in part because it is not as bright

3. Not sure about the audio of the Lumia 920 but a lot of the (android) smartphones I've tried don't sound great with BA earphones. I would expect the UE700 to be more sensitive to this than the Music One, though, so it seems like you're okay there.

 

From Peter's description the Music Two sounds awesome as well but of course I can't really have an opinion on it based on just graphs. 

 

Long price-story short: DBA-02 are $200 ~ 140€, add 20% VAT and 20% strong-currency-penalty and they are 200€ (the usual dollar w/o VAT == euro w/ VAT). Add awful availability (official german reseller: not listed; official uk reseller: out of stock; amazon uk: not listed; amazon germany: not listed; ...) so the sole amazon marketplace seller asks 249€ incl. VAT ~ $344. Finally I also found them on fischer-products.eu for 116€ with free shipping from the russian federation o_O.

 

Reading my last postig again ignoring crazy euro-prizes, non-availability, and custom-eartips-markup, what would be your answers then?

 

DBA-02 mkII? ER-4S? Brainwavz B2? j-phonic K2 SP? Custom Art Music One?

Others?

 

Are they noticeable upgrades? (For example I remeber reading between the lines, that, from all TWFK-implementations, you don't like the UE700 much. On the other hand: Would an upgrade from TWFK to TWFK be worth even only $150 anyway?)

How do they meet my wished-for requirements?

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Long price-story short: DBA-02 are $200 ~ 140€, add 20% VAT and 20% strong-currency-penalty and they are 200€ (the usual dollar w/o VAT == euro w/ VAT). Add awful availability (official german reseller: not listed; official uk reseller: out of stock; amazon uk: not listed; amazon germany: not listed; ...) so the sole amazon marketplace seller asks 249€ incl. VAT ~ $344. Finally I also found them on fischer-products.eu for 116€ with free shipping from the russian federation o_O.

Reading my last postig again ignoring crazy euro-prizes, non-availability, and custom-eartips-markup, what would be your answers then?

DBA-02 mkII? ER-4S? Brainwavz B2? j-phonic K2 SP? Custom Art Music One?
Others?

Are they noticeable upgrades? (For example I remeber reading between the lines, that, from all TWFK-implementations, you don't like the UE700 much. On the other hand: Would an upgrade from TWFK to TWFK be worth even only $150 anyway?)
How do they meet my wished-for requirements?

The brainwavz b2 is currently 55 gbp on amazon UK. By far the best for the money at that price, and joker's ranking is the same as the DBA mkii.
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@Joker

Can you give a quick E10M vs Quadbeat 2 ?

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Hi joker,

 

i'm really confuse to choose between gr07be, ba200, vc1000, re400, and eph100

i like to listen to jazz audiophile song, sometimes poprock songs like maroon5.

i really like clarity and detail, but also want some bass impact/quantity.

which one should i choose?

can you rank based on clarity from the list? (you had answered this question previously, but i add ba200)

and can you rank them based on bass quantity only? (may i add monoprice 8320 and vsd1s on the list :) )

thanks joker:)

 

The BA200 has similar clarity to the RE-400 IMO. It would be whatever ranking I gave before with the BA200 on-par with the RE-400

 

For bass quantity I would rank them as follows: EPH-100 >> VSD1S ~ GR07BE > BA200 > RE-400 ~ VC1000 ~ Monoprice

 

 

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Long price-story short: DBA-02 are $200 ~ 140€, add 20% VAT and 20% strong-currency-penalty and they are 200€ (the usual dollar w/o VAT == euro w/ VAT). Add awful availability (official german reseller: not listed; official uk reseller: out of stock; amazon uk: not listed; amazon germany: not listed; ...) so the sole amazon marketplace seller asks 249€ incl. VAT ~ $344. Finally I also found them on fischer-products.eu for 116€ with free shipping from the russian federation o_O.

 

Reading my last postig again ignoring crazy euro-prizes, non-availability, and custom-eartips-markup, what would be your answers then?

 

DBA-02 mkII? ER-4S? Brainwavz B2? j-phonic K2 SP? Custom Art Music One?

Others?

 

Are they noticeable upgrades? (For example I remeber reading between the lines, that, from all TWFK-implementations, you don't like the UE700 much. On the other hand: Would an upgrade from TWFK to TWFK be worth even only $150 anyway?)

How do they meet my wished-for requirements?

 

I liked the Logitech UE700 (which is the one you have IIRC) better than the pre-Logitech one so I wouldn't really recommend "upgrading" to the B2 or DBA-02.

 

Last time I was just commenting on the pricing off hand. My recommendation won't change even ignoring pricing and availability. The only other set I would consider based on sound quality and your requisites would be the Etymotic, mostly because it is a little clearer and brighter overall than the Music One. There's a full ER4S/Music One comparison in the Music One review: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/custom-art-music-one-review/  

 

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@Joker

Can you give a quick E10M vs Quadbeat 2 ?

 

 

I've never tried a Quadbeat 2

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