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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post
 

Hey, joker, would you mind chiming in on the MOE SS01?

 

I personally found the the SS01 to be quite impressive for its price, though I have reservations about its looks/design.

 

It seems to be an evolution over the JVC FXT90, as Aipon, MOE's parent company makes all of JVC's (and ATH's) micro-driver products.

 

Yeah, sure. I like the SS01 - definitely a good value for the price. The bass to me is pretty solid, very extended and good punch without much bloat. Mids are pretty good, mostly level, maybe a touch thin, The treble is nice and energetic, a little edgy but not too bad. Reminds me of the ATH-CKM500 - not really peaky, but has an edge to it that occasionally bothers me (with metal, for example, especially poorly-mastered stuff). 

 

I know it's supposed to be related to the FXT90 but its voicing is pretty different - not nearly as much of a mid-bass hump, which takes away the warmth and fullness of the JVCs, and less treble sparkle (though I don't remember the FXT90 having this edgy character).  

 

By the way, call me crazy but I don't mind the look of these. They won't get a spread in Maxim any time soon but I won't mistake them for anything else in my collection and I really like how the packaging and earphone design revolve around the "S". The name also looks much better when you write it in all caps like that. I've been calling it "Moe" in my notes. 

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Yeah, sure. I like the SS01 - definitely a good value for the price. The bass to me is pretty solid, very extended and good punch without much bloat. Mids are pretty good, mostly level, maybe a touch thin, The treble is nice and energetic, a little edgy but not too bad. Reminds me of the ATH-CKM500 - not really peaky, but has an edge to it that occasionally bothers me (with metal, for example, especially poorly-mastered stuff). 

 

I know it's supposed to be related to the FXT90 but its voicing is pretty different - not nearly as much of a mid-bass hump, which takes away the warmth and fullness of the JVCs, and less treble sparkle (though I don't remember the FXT90 having this edgy character).  

 

By the way, call me crazy but I don't mind the look of these. They won't get a spread in Maxim any time soon but I won't mistake them for anything else in my collection and I really like how the packaging and earphone design revolve around the "S". The name also looks much better when you write it in all caps like that. I've been calling it "Moe" in my notes. 

 

Thanks. Your thoughts mirror mine pretty closely.

 

Perhaps this was the inspiration for the double barrel design? :p

 

post #12063 of 13453
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Thanks. Your thoughts mirror mine pretty closely.

 

Perhaps this was the inspiration for the double barrel design? :p

 

 

That was certainly the first Moe that came to mind. 

 

I bet it looks better in black or white, too. Mine's red. 

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My guess is that white will look the best.

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It's been a while since I've listened to any Fischer cans. If you let me know what you like about the FA-004 I might be able to recommend something but from memory I probably won't be too accurate. A budget might help as well.

 

This set of fischer cans were labeled fun and natural, and also near monitor grade in this review. So I guess this is something that caught my attention. The low ends sounded quite similar to my GR07BE, but with a more forward mid range and better treble extension. Perhaps my only gripe with the FA-004 is that I find myself wanting to tune down that treble a little at times. A good description of my preferred signature would be something a little darker, or at least something with a nice bass response to balance the treble. 

 

Budget? I'm keeping an open mind for now so go crazy i guess? IEM/CIEM are all good suggestions..

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The FA-4E XB are not really dark. They have a strong bass, slightly laid back mids, with comply tips they're almost never harsh (I don't dare say never harsh but as long as you don't feed them crap they're smooth) and they are just so damn good. The thing about them that's slightly less good is the upper mids lack that bite or edge. If you value a totally flat signature they're a touch too laid back. The soundstage is larger than UE900 but slightly smaller than ASG-2 in height and depth, it lacks some air around the instruments but the positioning is great. (The sound of air between instruments is more of a taste thing though, some prefer a black background, others want to hear the air.)

 

Anyway. I haven't properly reviewed them yet, but come over to the FA-4E-thread and read more. These need to be discovered by more is my opinion because they're really good. ~400€ 

 

There is also a sale on UE900 from Logitech themselves on some sites. You might be able to bag a pair even if they seem like they're out of stock, you can try. They're 50% off. There's a thread for that as well. I assume that because it's from Logitech it's not a group buy and therefore it's ok if I recommend it here? At that price they're really good and buying straight from the manufacturer feels good at least for me. I paid £169 for mine. Maybe it's a bit more compared to the price in USD. 

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
 

 

That was certainly the first Moe that came to mind. 

 

I bet it looks better in black or white, too. Mine's red. 

Found a pic of them in Black... and I see the resembalnce! 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

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HiFiman Re-400 vs VSONIC VC1000?

 

Tastes are: Heavy Metal/Speed Metal/Rock/Dubstep (Treble+Treble/mid_drops+Vocal tastes, groull also in there) and Bass_heavy-Dubstep (meaning high-quality bass drops with little_to_no treble). Of course, Dubstep may combine everything %) Just look at this band if interested - Medusa In My Knickers (- Pig, Pig 2, Check your knickers, Spit) (may be taken as an example of what i listen to). Not a bass-head, but still sympathize it much. Also as an example: Koven - Whoopi's back in the habit (Original Mix).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyw5ky2FWZg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W9y-XV0f-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Asvu9IwJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsmKKxo8oyQ

(sorry for your wallet ears :D)

 

Of course, wishing the best comfort I can get (not sure what a 0.5 difference means, i've read the descriptions).

Preferably, less leakage of sound.

And of course full satisfaction of tastes %).

 

Thanks guys!


Edited by MygpuK - 11/11/13 at 6:01pm
post #12069 of 13453
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Originally Posted by Artem View Post
 

This set of fischer cans were labeled fun and natural, and also near monitor grade in this review. So I guess this is something that caught my attention. The low ends sounded quite similar to my GR07BE, but with a more forward mid range and better treble extension. Perhaps my only gripe with the FA-004 is that I find myself wanting to tune down that treble a little at times. A good description of my preferred signature would be something a little darker, or at least something with a nice bass response to balance the treble. 

 

Budget? I'm keeping an open mind for now so go crazy i guess? IEM/CIEM are all good suggestions..

 

A bump in the bass with a darker monitor-type signature makes me think Westone UM3X or EarSonics, or even Sony MDR-7550, but none of those have better extension than a GR07 in the treble. Darker usually implies not only less treble energy, but less extension as well. Take the Westone ES5, for example - it's a top-tier custom with excellent bass and mids, but it doesn't have the reach of the GR07 in the treble. The JH13, on the other hand, has fantastic treble extension but it sounds energetic and probably is brighter than you would want. Have you tried applying some EQ to the midrange of the GR07 Bass to see if you can get it where you want it? Bumping up the mids should allow you to listen at lower volumes, reducing the treble intensity a bit. 

 

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Originally Posted by MygpuK View Post
 

HiFiman Re-400 vs VSONIC VC1000?

 

Tastes are: Heavy Metal/Speed Metal/Rock/Dubstep (Treble+Treble/mid_drops+Vocal tastes, groull also in there) and Bass_heavy-Dubstep (meaning high-quality bass drops with little_to_no treble). Of course, Dubstep may combine everything %) Just look at this band if interested - Medusa In My Knickers (- Pig, Pig 2, Check your knickers, Spit) (may be taken as an example of what i listen to). Not a bass-head, but still sympathize it much. Also as an example: Koven - Whoopi's back in the habit (Original Mix).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyw5ky2FWZg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W9y-XV0f-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Asvu9IwJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsmKKxo8oyQ

(sorry for your wallet ears :D)

 

Of course, wishing the best comfort I can get (not sure what a 0.5 difference means, i've read the descriptions).

Preferably, less leakage of sound.

And of course full satisfaction of tastes %).

 

Thanks guys!

 

There's a full RE-400 / VC1000 comparison in the VC1000 review. 

 

In general they are both neutral-sounding earphones so if you want enhanced bass for your dubstep, look elsewhere. Personally, I would go for the less mid-focused VC1000 for rock and electronic music. 

post #12070 of 13453

Thank you! A problem which is my wallet makes me choose carefully at the moment :D

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Thanks Joker,

 

I'm thoroughly enjoying my GR07BE, using a good equalizer improves the performance too. It's just that I'm looking at some potential upgrades to it, not many IEMs are a significant improvement over these things. 

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Thanks Joker,

 

I'm thoroughly enjoying my GR07BE, using a good equalizer improves the performance too. It's just that I'm looking at some potential upgrades to it, not many IEMs are a significant improvement over these things

 

Yep, that is a "problem" with having a top-tier universal like the GR07.

post #12073 of 13453

AWESOME resource. Refer to it often. Thanks for all your hard work putting it together.

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AWESOME resource. Refer to it often. Thanks for all your hard work putting it together.

 

Thanks, glad it's been helpful! 

post #12075 of 13453
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Added the 1964EARS V6-Stage

 

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(1A12) 1964EARS V6-Stage

 

Reviewed November 2013

Details: 6-driver flagship custom in-ear from Portland, OR-based 1964EARS
Starting Price: $699 from 1964ears.com
Specs: Driver: 6-BA / 3-way crossover | Imp: 22Ω | Sens: 115 dB | Freq: 10-20k Hz | Cable: 4’ L-plug / other lengths available
Wear Style: Over-the-ear

Accessories (5/5) – Shirt clip, ¼” adapter, cleaning tool, and custom crushproof Pelican storage case
Build Quality (5/5) – Aside from its triple-bore configuration, the V6-Stage is similar in construction to my 1964-V3. Molding quality is excellent with no bubbles, very clear faceplates, and good finish around the cable sockets and nozzles. It uses a cable with a standard Westone socket and short memory wire section. Options include recessed cable sockets, ambient vents, custom colors, custom artwork, and various exotic faceplates
Isolation (4/5) – Very good isolation from the fitted acrylic shells
Microphonics (5/5) – Nonexistent as with most of my custom monitors
Comfort (5/5) – As with all acrylic customs, the shells are hard but very comfortable. If the earphones are uncomfortable after an initial break-in period, a refit is probably a good idea. 1964EARS does refits at no cost within the first 30 days

Sound (9.7/10) – The 1964EARS V6-Stage is the company’s latest flagship, designed for “stage, studio and everyday music listening”. It utilizes a 3-way, 6-armature configuration – a setup similar to those of the Unique Melody Miracle and JH Audio JH13 Pro. The sound signature of the V6-Stage combines near-neutral bass, a rich and clear midrange, and crisp treble.

The bass of the V6-Stage is slightly above neutral in quantity – a touch less impactful than with the JH13 Pro but more so compared to other reference earphones such as the Custom Art Music One, HiFiMan RE-600, and Etymotic Research ER-4S. Bass depth is very good and the low end is tight and controlled. In a way, the V6-Stage is the best of both worlds – it makes bassier earphones such as the FitEar TG334 sound boomy in comparison without giving a bass quality advantage to flatter sets from HiFiMan, Etymotic Research, and the like.

The midrange of the V6-Stage has a neutral tone with a smooth and rich character that prevents it from sounding “analytical”. Note thickness is good and the mids appear very natural overall. The V6-Stage is not as lean as the Etymotic ER-4S and its upper midrange is a little less prominent. Clarity is excellent –aided by its prominent treble, the 1964EARS unit has an advantage here over sets such as the FitEar TG334 and Heir Audio 8.A, and makes the more treble-shy RE-600 sound downright dull in comparison.

However, the treble is prominent enough to where recording quality becomes important. The earphone is significantly brighter than sets such as the Custom Art Music One and Heir 8.A, and its treble character has a tendency accentuate sibilance. This is somewhat source-dependent and more prone to occurring at higher volumes, but the fact remains that the V6-Stage is less forgiving than even the Etymotic ER-4S. Other than that, the treble is excellent – crisp and well-extended, carrying enough energy to balance out the overall sound, bass emphasis and all.

The impressive end-to-end extension of the V6-Stage also reflects in its presentation, which is broad and spacious. The soundstage is larger compared to most universals as well as many customs, such as the Music One. It is a touch more constrained than that of the JH13 Pro but on the whole the presentation of the V6-Stage is as well-rounded as anything I’ve heard in its price bracket.

Select Comparisons

EarSonics SM64 ($399)

The SM64 is a triple-armature universal-fit earphone that impresses, among other things, with its bass response. Compared to the V6-Stage, its bass reaches deeper and hits harder but still maintains excellent control. In the midrange, the 1964EARS perform better – while the SM64 is biased towards the lower midrange, the V6-Stage is quite level throughout, offering flatter upper mids and a more balanced and neutral sound. It sounds clearer, less congested, and more refined than the SM64 except for a bit of peakiness in the treble, which makes the V6-Stage sound a little hotter and more “tizzy” next to the darker EarSonics.

Alclair Reference ($399)

Alclair’s Reference monitor pursues a sound signature very similar to that of the V6-Stage, falling a bit short of the V6 in overall performance. Bass quantity is similar between the earphones but the Reference is slightly mid-recessed and sounds more “dry” whereas the V6-Stage has a fuller, smoother sound with a more prominent midrange. Treble performance is also similar between the two – both units have a tendency to exaggerate sibilance and sound a little “hot” on certain tracks, with the V6-Stage performing a bit better in this regard. In terms of presentation, too, the V6-Stage comes across as more versatile and convincing, with a little more imaging prowess and better balance of width and depth.

1964EARS 1964-V3 ($425)

While the similarly-priced Alclair Reference bears a strong resemblance to the V6-Stage, 1964EARS’ own triple-driver sounds quite different. The 1964-V3 is bassier and more “boomy” than the V6-Stage, with the powerful mid-bass response providing much greater impact. This results in a warmer and at times more bloated sound. The V6-Stage, with its tighter, less powerful bass, also has better clarity, especially in the midrange, and sounds more refined and detailed. It is more balanced and neutral whereas the V3 is more colored. In terms of presentation, the boomier bass of the V3 makes it a touch more congested but both units provide a good sense of space.

Westone ES5 ($950)

Westone’s flagship custom is a warm and smooth affair that emphasizes it lows and mids. The ES5 has more bass than the 1964EARS V6-Stage, but the V6 is a little more textured and controlled. Its mids are leaner and clearer while the ES5 sounds fuller and more forward in the midrange. The treble of the Westones is smoother but the overall sound is darker and a bit more muffled. The 1964EARS, on the other hand, have treble that is brighter and peakier, and tend to be more sibilant. I find the V6-Stage to sound more natural overall, though the peaks in the treble region sometimes cause it to sound a little “tizzy” in comparison. In terms of presentation, the ES5 tends to be more intimate, especially in the midrange, whereas the V6-Stage is wider and more laid-back, a-la the UM Miracle.

Unique Melody Miracle ($950)

The UM Miracle has always impressed me most with its ability to sound neutral and balanced, yet remain smooth and not at all analytical. Compared to the Miracle, the V6-Stage produces a little more bass, especially mid-bass, lending it a slightly fuller and warmer sound. The 1964EARS sound a bit more colored as a result of the bass emphasis whereas the Miracle is more neutral and balanced. The Miracle also remains flatter through the upper midrange, boasting more presence there a-la the Etymotic ER-4S. At the top, the V6-Stage is more sibilant despite having similar overall treble energy, while the Miracle is smoother and has a bit more air. The Miracle is slightly more open-sounding with a marginally more spacious soundstage.

Value (9/10) – The mid-level 1964EARS customs I’ve tried have offered solid value for money, and the new 1964EARS V6-Stage is doing the same for the flagship segment of the still-developing custom in-ear market. The earphones are very well-made and the sound hits the sweet spot, falling just warm of neutral with a bit of added bass, mids that are clear but not thin, and crisp, if slightly hot, treble. It is an extremely competent earphone that competes with pricier models such as the Westone ES5 and Heir Audio 8.A. Like the less expensive 1964-V3, the V6-Stage is an easy recommendation in its price range and, in contrast to the V3, should work for professional applications as well as consumer audio.

Pros: Great molding quality; isolation and comfort of a custom in-ear; impressive overall performance
Cons: Can accentuate sibilance

 

The updated ranking can be found here.


Edited by ljokerl - 11/13/13 at 9:21am
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