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A question about the ratings: I noticed that some of the higher scores have been slightly reduced, while others have not; the PFE232, for example, now has the same sound quality rating as the DBA-02. Are more scores still going to be lowered, or are these your final assessments?

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Originally Posted by kamcok View Post
 

|joker| you're tempting me to buy the custom art music one now

I was gonna buy the V3 but i'm now stuck between the two hahaha

 

Different beasts - the V3 is way bassier and has more treble sparkle as well. It sounds more full-bodied but is also a little clearer except for the bass, which is a bit more bloated next.

 

The Custom Art is smooth and pretty neutral, with tighter bass as well. 

 

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A question about the ratings: I noticed that some of the higher scores have been slightly reduced, while others have not; the PFE232, for example, now has the same sound quality rating as the DBA-02. Are more scores still going to be lowered, or are these your final assessments?


Unfortunately there can't be final assessments, at least not until I've heard everything these is to hear (probably safe to say that's never going to happen). As I hear more stuff it makes sense to adjust things accordingly, e.g. if the JH13 gets knocked down from the 10/10 then I will have to readjust the upper end of the scale again. 

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Unfortunately there can't be final assessments, at least not until I've heard everything these is to hear (probably safe to say that's never going to happen). As I hear more stuff it makes sense to adjust things accordingly, e.g. if the JH13 gets knocked down from the 10/10 then I will have to readjust the upper end of the scale again. 

Sure, obviously that's the idea - but I'm curious about the changes of distance between different phones, like the Fischer and Phonak now being on equal footing. Have you concluded that they're on the same level sonically, or do you still plan to lower the Fischer score in relation  to the Phonak?

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Sure, obviously that's the idea - but I'm curious about the changes of distance between different phones, like the Fischer and Phonak now being on equal footing. Have you concluded that they're on the same level sonically, or do you still plan to lower the Fischer score in relation  to the Phonak?

 

I just concluded that doing this was more representative of how I felt about the sound quality than the alternative (i.e. lowering the DBA-02 and other stuff that's equal to it). Won't be changing any more scores unless necessitated by new releases.

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Recommending IEMs for a friend who has different tastes than I, plus I've never heard a near-reference system, but what would you suggest as the closest IEM to reference - but with excellent extension - for $100 - and for $200 - and would an under-$300 custom be hugely better than them? (Kozee X1, Custom Art...)

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Recommending IEMs for a friend who has different tastes than I, plus I've never heard a near-reference system, but what would you suggest as the closest IEM to reference - but with excellent extension - for $100 - and for $200 - and would an under-$300 custom be hugely better than them? (Kozee X1, Custom Art...)


ER4S from Etymotic (or HF if your friend on a $100 budget) would still be my rec for that. The Custom Art is a good reference but it has its own strengths and weaknesses vs the ER4S so it depends on whether he wants his earphone a little warmer (Custom Art) or a little brighter (ER4S)

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Hi joker, wonders if you have heard the Cardas EM5813. If you do have, would you mind giving a little run down on the SQ. I do understand that you would prefer to evaluate thoroughly before putting up a review but would appreciate some of your general thoughts. Thanks.
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Hi joker, wonders if you have heard the Cardas EM5813. If you do have, would you mind giving a little run down on the SQ. I do understand that you would prefer to evaluate thoroughly before putting up a review but would appreciate some of your general thoughts. Thanks.

Yes, he has posted a short impression. Here

I'll quote him here anyway, 

 

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 Cardas EM5813 Ear Speakershttp://cardas.com/earspeakers

Interesting design with the thickest cable I’ve ever seen on an IEM. I think a cable this thick might get annoying over time, though. Only one size of tips is included and the cheap pouch doesn’t fit the earphones properly. All of that wouldn’t matter if the sound blew me away but it hasn’t yet. It’s definitely not bad – warm and smooth, with a very good sense of space - but it lacks the clarity and finesse of the earphones I like in that price range. They remind me somewhat of a Monster Turbine Pro Gold with a little less bass, but the bass is still not nearly as tight and accurate as the similarly-priced HiFiMan RE-600, for example.
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Yes, he has posted a short impression. Here
I'll quote him here anyway, 

Hi, thanks for the link. Appreciate it.
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Yes, he has posted a short impression. Here

I'll quote him here anyway, 

 

 

Thanks. Yeah, I gave it another listen later on and was still underwhelmed so I just put it aside. Too much veiling. 

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Thanks. Yeah, I gave it another listen later on and was still underwhelmed so I just put it side. Too much veiling. 

Thanks for the initial impression joker! I was seriously considering those but I'm really used to clarity from IEMs like H200 and DN1000. Have you got any suggestions for the next step for me based on those two sound signatures? I wouldn't mind a bit smoother treble as long as the clarity is top notch. My budget is under $300. Cheers!
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joker, you review of the music one is really intriguing... would you consider it an upgrade or side-grade form the RE-400 or gr07?

 

I have a pair of reshelled TF10s, but I could never wear them for long periods of time due to a slight fit issue making it fairly painful. How would you compare the TF10s to the music one? The silicone shells sounds much more comfortable than hard acrylic ones.

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joker, you review of the music one is really intriguing... would you consider it an upgrade or side-grade form the RE-400 or gr07?

 

I have a pair of reshelled TF10s, but I could never wear them for long periods of time due to a slight fit issue making it fairly painful. How would you compare the TF10s to the music one? The silicone shells sounds much more comfortable than hard acrylic ones.

I guess I'm also curious about this but there is a good bit of information in the M1 review regarding these two in comparison, so it really must depend on preference and trade-offs.  More details are always welcome though comparing the three.  I am considering the M1 as a single cIEM solution so I am trying to weigh the pros/cons myself since I have both of those mentioned already. :o

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Thanks for the initial impression joker! I was seriously considering those but I'm really used to clarity from IEMs like H200 and DN1000. Have you got any suggestions for the next step for me based on those two sound signatures? I wouldn't mind a bit smoother treble as long as the clarity is top notch. My budget is under $300. Cheers!

 

I haven't heard the H200 and haven't spent enough time with the DN1000 yet to have an opinion on it (I sent it off for a while to have measurements done). It does sound pretty good, though.

 

Ignoring those two, what signature are you looking for?

 

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Originally Posted by mattstevenfishe View Post
 

joker, you review of the music one is really intriguing... would you consider it an upgrade or side-grade form the RE-400 or gr07?

 

I have a pair of reshelled TF10s, but I could never wear them for long periods of time due to a slight fit issue making it fairly painful. How would you compare the TF10s to the music one? The silicone shells sounds much more comfortable than hard acrylic ones.

 

An upgrade, but not a sizable one.  There's a GR07 comparison in the review - I preferred the GR07's bass but the Music One's midrange and treble.

 

 

Music One vs RE-400 (this one wasn't in the original review in this format)

Music One has more bass, esp deep bass. It has that slight lack of bass texture that all of my silicone IEMs suffer from but it's not as noticeable vs the RE-400 as it is vs the GR07. It also has a thicker and more full-bodied sound overall while the RE-400 is leaner and a touch clearer in the midrange. Overall the RE-400 seems a little more mid-centric because it lacks the bass impact of the Music One. Treble quality is comparable.

 

 

I've never found a properly fitted acrylic shell uncomfortable. Silicone does have an advantage IMO but when everything fits properly the difference will be negligible.  

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I haven't heard the H200 and haven't spent enough time with the DN1000 yet to have an opinion on it (I sent it off for a while to have measurements done). It does sound pretty good, though.

Ignoring those two, what signature are you looking for?

I like warm and balanced sound but don't mind a little bump in the highs for more air and sparkle. A bit v-shape I think. I did love the mh1c and xba 3 sound sigs.
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