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post #10906 of 13430
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post


That actually looks less comfortable to me then the etys... My last IEMs were the Meelctronic M9s, and those things felt like fire to my ears, maybe even worse. I'm thinking a deep insertion IEM would be less painful because they make much smaller tips for it, but I don't know.

never tried the Ety's but the PFE's are ridiculously comfortable as I have the PFE 232 and was planning to sell them but due to the openness of the soundstage and comfort, I'm really having a hard time letting them go.

 

That brings me to a question: I was originally planning to trade the 232 for the Westone 4 but because of some sonic differences, I can't bring myself to do it.  I'm wondering if there's another universal that might give me what I'm looking for?   I love the 4 for the rich mids/vocals, cable, fit and overall sound though I wish they were a bit more open and a little more bass.  I love the PFE for the soundstage, fit and energy but sometimes the vocals are just a little thinner than I'd like - especially when talking about Adele, Amy Lee and other female vocals. I love both for classical though I'll admit that the 232 can be a tad fatiguing at times which is a problem I've never come across or even close to with the 4.  Should I just hold onto the 232 as being discontinued, there's no guarantee of getting them back?  Curious to get some thoughts - really don't have anywhere to audition iem's without driving about 2-ish hours but it is possible.  Main genres are Rock, Classical/Opera, Jazz and acoustic. 

post #10907 of 13430

I'm also considering the Astrotec Am-90s. They are $40 on amazon, and they do have a 10/10 value on here... They have a 3.5 isolation rating, which should, under normal conditions, give me the isolation I need. Plus, it has a 4.5/5 rating on comfort. It seems to come with a ton of tips, so that's also nice.

post #10908 of 13430
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post


That actually looks less comfortable to me then the etys... My last IEMs were the Meelctronic M9s, and those things felt like fire to my ears, maybe even worse. I'm thinking a deep insertion IEM would be less painful because they make much smaller tips for it, but I don't know.


Well, the PFE comes with small tips. some of the best tips ever made, and the actual earphones are tiny, lightweight, and ergonomically shaped.

 

Let me put it this way: they didn't name it the "Perfect Fit Earphone" for nothing.

post #10909 of 13430
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

I'm also considering the Astrotec Am-90s. They are $40 on amazon, and they do have a 10/10 value on here... They have a 3.5 isolation rating, which should, under normal conditions, give me the isolation I need. Plus, it has a 4.5/5 rating on comfort. It seems to come with a ton of tips, so that's also nice.


I have the Astrotecs.  They're very smooth and with a Fiio E17 gain some extension (over being driven purely out of a clip).  The cable is among the best universal cables I've seen.  For the money I think it's damn good sound.  Isolation is middling and the foam tips they supplied will not stay on even with the (also supplied) little rubber sleeves.  The silicone tips are average.

post #10910 of 13430
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Originally Posted by dnullify View Post


Well, the PFE comes with small tips. some of the best tips ever made, and the actual earphones are tiny, lightweight, and ergonomically shaped.

 

Let me put it this way: they didn't name it the "Perfect Fit Earphone" for nothing.


I went and checked his review, and they only got a 3 on isolation. That's the same as the M9s, which I would constantly jam as far into my head as I could go to block out the sound. I don't know if a 3.5 is enough either, hmm...

 

 

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Isolation is middling

How good is middling? I've only owned one IEM before (which I then instantly gave up on because of the horrible comfort issues), so I don't know how good that isolation is.


Edited by daleb - 7/10/13 at 7:31pm
post #10911 of 13430

Ah,

 

Hmm, well i think you're in a bit of a pinch. Short of foam - which does apply pressure to your inner ear, i can't think of anything that both has a loose-comfortable fit AND isolation in your price range.

 

Only thing i can think of is customs.... you can actually get silicone custom molded IEMs for ~$100.

post #10912 of 13430
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Originally Posted by dnullify View Post

Ah,

 

Hmm, well i think you're in a bit of a pinch. Short of foam - which does apply pressure to your inner ear, i can't think of anything that both has a loose-comfortable fit AND isolation in your price range.

 

Only thing i can think of is customs.... you can actually get silicone custom molded IEMs for ~$100.


Well, its also that with the IEMs I had, I only had one tip, and it was gigantic for my small ear canals (normally they come with more but the carrying case with all of them in it disappeared the day I bought it o.O).

post #10913 of 13430
Ah, well I'd suggest you either give something else a shot, or pick up some comply tips and see if you're satisfied with the isolation those have on your current IEMs.

At the very least that will give you a good picture as to what you should look for in your next pair
post #10914 of 13430
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Originally Posted by dnullify View Post

Ah, well I'd suggest you either give something else a shot, or pick up some comply tips and see if you're satisfied with the isolation those have on your current IEMs.

I don't have the IEMs anymore, sadly.

 

I am seriously considering the AM-90s, though.

post #10915 of 13430
Thread Starter 

For those interested VSonic GR07 and GR07 BE measurements, as well as a fresh review, are now available at InnerFidelity here.

 

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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

The MH1Cs are sadly not available anymore. frown.gif

Noisy environments should not be a problem, because the isolation should be at least -30, -40 db. I want to spend the day with this just on me, at all times, keeping every bit of sound out. Plus comfort >> sound. If the Etymotics can provide that, then that's my choice. No idea if they do that, though.

 

I still see some MH1s on ebay. Etymotics have the isolation but the generally deep insertion is not comfortable for some people. Also, they don't have warm sound.

 

 If getting Etys, would get a cheaper model (like the Etykids mentioned above) and leave room in your budget for foam tips. The Etykids only come with the glider tips and some triple-flanges. 

 

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Originally Posted by jekostas View Post

 

Thanks for the info.  The Solar's aren't particularly bass-heavy earphones, especially with the stock tips.  They have less bass quantity than something like the SE215, for example.  What about a Phonak Perfect Bass with black filters?

 

Yeah, the Perfect Bass should work. I would start out with the Green filters (the ones that come with the Perfect Bass) and move to the Black ones once you feel you want to sacrifice some more bass for clarity.

 

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Originally Posted by vocalist View Post

never tried the Ety's but the PFE's are ridiculously comfortable as I have the PFE 232 and was planning to sell them but due to the openness of the soundstage and comfort, I'm really having a hard time letting them go.

 

That brings me to a question: I was originally planning to trade the 232 for the Westone 4 but because of some sonic differences, I can't bring myself to do it.  I'm wondering if there's another universal that might give me what I'm looking for?   I love the 4 for the rich mids/vocals, cable, fit and overall sound though I wish they were a bit more open and a little more bass.  I love the PFE for the soundstage, fit and energy but sometimes the vocals are just a little thinner than I'd like - especially when talking about Adele, Amy Lee and other female vocals. I love both for classical though I'll admit that the 232 can be a tad fatiguing at times which is a problem I've never come across or even close to with the 4.  Should I just hold onto the 232 as being discontinued, there's no guarantee of getting them back?  Curious to get some thoughts - really don't have anywhere to audition iem's without driving about 2-ish hours but it is possible.  Main genres are Rock, Classical/Opera, Jazz and acoustic. 

 

I would go for the W4 - it seems to suit your preferences a little better. It does have very nice mids and is less fatiguing than the PFE232. I also don't mind its soundstage - it might not have the airiness of the PFE but it's still quite versatile. It sounds like you've already tried them and got the same impressions, anyway. If you end up missing the Phonaks you could later on pick up a GR07, which has like 95% of the sound at 1/3 the price, later on. 

 

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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

I'm also considering the Astrotec Am-90s. They are $40 on amazon, and they do have a 10/10 value on here... They have a 3.5 isolation rating, which should, under normal conditions, give me the isolation I need. Plus, it has a 4.5/5 rating on comfort. It seems to come with a ton of tips, so that's also nice.

 

The AM-90 are good but I doubt they will solve your hypersensitivity problem. I would almost recommend the Soundmagic PL50 (do they still make those?) and some modified Shure Olives instead for the combination of lighter weight + less pressure from the tips. 

post #10916 of 13430
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Wall of fame...

While I am a long-time fan of the GR07s, I think they are a little too close in signature and performance to the Philips Fidelios that are on the Wall of Fame already. Usability-wise the GR07 wins, hands-down, and I slightly prefer its sound as well, but I have plans to put a different VSonic product on the WoF in the future.

 

Awesome - I knew that the VSD1's would make it! wink.gif

 

Just kidding - I don't have a clue which ones you are referring to of course (although I think the VSD1's are rather amazing for the price!).

 

p.s. I hope it was OK to quote your comment here. If not, my apologies (and I will edit them out).

post #10917 of 13430

Concerning the GR07's usability, I've never had great fit/comfort with them. The best result has been with some DIY tips out of earplug foam, which isn't ideal in terms of longevity... Also, the cable (MK I) only really behaves with the ear guides, though they're at least pleasantly small  and thin. 

post #10918 of 13430

The SoundMagic PL50s are still available on Amazon! I don't know how I'd deal with stuff laying on the top of my ear, though (I wear IEMs cord down). So the AM90s don't come with any small tips? That's saddening...

post #10919 of 13430

They come with 3 sizes of tips. I'm not sure what you mean by small.

 

honestly the only way you're going to get the level of comfort and isolation you want is either with foam (shure olives, comply, ect), or with silicone customs.

 

those black things on the pl50s are just ear hooks, which can be removed.

post #10920 of 13430

I'm more then willing to buy foam tips.

 

 

According to the innerfidelity measurements, the AM90s have more then enough isolation for what I need. Are the numbers about right for your experience with them?

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