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post #8551 of 10397
11/1/12 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by lilboozy View Post

How do they compare with the gr99 and why don't i see any hf threads on this ?

It's cheap and Head-Fi regulars tend to gravitate towards more expensive, usually better, IEMs.

 

I haven't heard GR99 itself, it's supposedly somewhat unlike other VSonic IEMs. VSonic unfortunately isn't directly available in Europe, as opposed to their competitor brand, Brainwavz.

I have heard NE-600M though vs NE-700M and they're close enough.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

I think it's safe to say nothing in the universal realm, at least from what I've heard, will outright "beat" the ER4S in clarity. An argument can be made for the Final Audio FI-BA-SS but probably shouldn't be...

 

Hmm. I do agree that ER4S is one of the fastest and least resonant drivers out there, but I find the signature to be doing them a huge disservice, with a large 2-4kHz boost. It also shares the lack of bass impact with most other balanced armatures.

Etys were made for KEMAR with small pinnae, which is not considered the most accurate one. (I had some nice paper on HAT simulators somewhere. KEMAR is best, but with large pinnae.)


Edited by AstralStorm - 11/1/12 at 7:14am
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post #8552 of 10397
11/1/12 at 8:49am

I just got the MH1C, I'm not a fan of the cable. That's not true. I dig the flat cable, but no the J-shape. The mic is just below the left IEM, which is nice, as it weighs nothing. I dig these IEMs. My iPod was dead, so I gave them a quick test on my phone, which I'm starting to  think has a massive output impedance. I tried using my impedance matching transformers, but the TRRS plug was picky. Anyway, I tried them straight out of my phone, and am now listening to my iPod. I've got maybe an hour on them. They're nice! I have to disagree regarding similarity to the GR07 (which I have never heard, but I do have the model down from it, the GR04 Flagship). I think that they are a bit bassier, so some may prefer them over the GR04FE/7 for that reason, particularly subbass. I find them slightly more enjoyable than the GR02BE, in part because as someone who is not a big fan of bass, they have less midbass. Are they worth $20? Absolutely!! The $80 MSRP? Probably not.

 

I just switched back to the GR04 Flagship. The GR04, while slightly sibilant, images better, has more texture and the music feels thicker. I find myself getting lost in it a bit more. But, the MH1C sounds pretty great, perhaps just a bit much in the bass department for my liking.

 

I want to note, that the $20 ones on Amazon get you the IEM, three sets of tips, and a shirt clip.

 

They are relatively slender and long, you could get crazy good insertion, but my ear canal veers upward a little bit, which makes over the ear cabling most comfortable, the flat cable/mic location means that I cannot go over the ear.

 

 

For the price, these are a great deal, easily on par sonically with the GR02!


Edited by scootsit - 11/1/12 at 9:12am
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post #8553 of 10397
11/1/12 at 10:03am

Wow brain overload!

As it has been mentioned many dozens of times now, thank you ljokerl for spending the time to assemble such a great resource on such a wide range of IEMs, it has helped me with my research greatly!

 

I come with getting a suggestion on which IEM will best fit my needs based off of what I will be using them for.

 

My main use for these IEMs will be for hooking up to my MSI-GT683R laptop while at work, though it from time to time be hooked to my Samsung cell phone or Zune to listen to audio as well while traveling so I do not have to lug my Sennheiser HD650s around.

The main genre of music I listen to would be Alternative/Rock/Acoustic, though I do on occasion listen to R&B/Rap, other genres pass through my playlist but not enough to single it out as a sound profile for choosing a listening device for.

 

I currently do not have any sort of external dac/amp, though I have thought about buying one for quite some time now and am open for suggestions on those as well, otherwise I will consult the proper sub-forum for that as this question does not pertain to dac/amps.

 

My budget is $250 ~ $300 USD shipped if possible, and I fully intend to purchase from the internet, unless anyone knows of any good deals to be had in the Houston, Texas area.

 

With that in mind and after spending some time reading the reviews found in this thread, I have narrowed down my search to the VSonic GR07 MkII's and the HiFiMan RE272's, from what I can see either one of these will fit with what sound stage that I intend to listen to and won't break the bank at the same time.

 

I have found I can get the GR07 MkII's with a "free" set of GR04's for $240 @ lendmeurears.com, however that is only saving me around $20 if I was to purchase them individually, so not sure if it is worth that extra cost, the HiFiMan RE272's can be had for $249 alternatively.

 

This will be my first set of IEMs to buy with the exception of a set of Munitio Nines I purchased from a forum member here just last night, help me make the "right" decision, thanks in advance.

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post #8554 of 10397
11/1/12 at 10:13am
^^ You're seeing SGD for the 240 price USD is $201 for both. Currency converter is at the top of the page.
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post #8555 of 10397
11/1/12 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

^^ You're seeing SGD for the 240 price USD is $201 for both. Currency converter is at the top of the page.

 

Wow, yeah in that case that is a pretty good deal then, more tempting now for the VSonic's.

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post #8556 of 10397
11/1/12 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by BoneEnterprise View Post

Wow, yeah in that case that is a pretty good deal then, more tempting now for the VSonic's.

The GR07mk2 is my personal recommendation for guitar driven rock, which seems to encompass your main genres. It has excellent distortion guitar bite, plus very nice sub bass. I've not heard the RE272 but all of the other current RE models. Hifiman IEMs all sound excellent but won't have the same distortion guitar bite or sub bass levels. I don't think you'd be dissappointed with either though.
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post #8557 of 10397
11/1/12 at 11:05am

Yeah that is what I gathered from the reviews and now that I realize that the GR07 MkII's are more of a better deal now than before I may go with them.

May grab me a Fiio E17 as well.

 

Thank you for your input.

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post #8558 of 10397
11/1/12 at 4:44pm
Hi Guys, this is by far the best place to find info on IEM and it is very helpful!

I was wondering what Soundstage is good for acoustic music with vocals? I understand frequency and sound signature, but other subjective things like "bright", "fluid" and "hollow" all vary in different frequency bands right?

I listen to mainly prog/electro house (bright stuff) or acoustic guitar/rock and leaning towards the re262's....
Is this correct? Are these two types hard to cover in one headphone?

Going from Brainwavz M3 ~ Enjoyed the bass and decent clarity for me!
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post #8559 of 10397
11/1/12 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by BoneEnterprise View Post

Yeah that is what I gathered from the reviews and now that I realize that the GR07 MkII's are more of a better deal now than before I may go with them.

May grab me a Fiio E17 as well.

 

Thank you for your input.


If you're looking to try something interesting (I don't have them, but initial reports seem pretty good), there is a new brand of inexpensive custom IEMs. They're a little backed up on production, but those who have received them seem quite happy. Just a thought, you certainly can't go wrong with your current selections.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/626714/cosmic-ears-new-ciem-company-with-crazy-low-prices-including-hybrid-designs

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post #8560 of 10397
11/1/12 at 5:42pm

Hello all, i've been viewing the IEM's and all and was wondering to anyone who has heard the Yamaha eph-100sl is it like how joker states? It must of been somewhere in this massive thread, but like I said it is massive and would be hard to find it. So any help would be greatly appreciated. :) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

p.s Joker, this thread is one of the most awesome things on this site, your help and information is extremely valuable.

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post #8561 of 10397
11/1/12 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

I just got the MH1C, I'm not a fan of the cable. That's not true. I dig the flat cable, but no the J-shape. The mic is just below the left IEM, which is nice, as it weighs nothing. I dig these IEMs. My iPod was dead, so I gave them a quick test on my phone, which I'm starting to  think has a massive output impedance. I tried using my impedance matching transformers, but the TRRS plug was picky. Anyway, I tried them straight out of my phone, and am now listening to my iPod. I've got maybe an hour on them. They're nice! I have to disagree regarding similarity to the GR07 (which I have never heard, but I do have the model down from it, the GR04 Flagship). I think that they are a bit bassier, so some may prefer them over the GR04FE/7 for that reason, particularly subbass. I find them slightly more enjoyable than the GR02BE, in part because as someone who is not a big fan of bass, they have less midbass. Are they worth $20? Absolutely!! The $80 MSRP? Probably not.

 

I just switched back to the GR04 Flagship. The GR04, while slightly sibilant, images better, has more texture and the music feels thicker. I find myself getting lost in it a bit more. But, the MH1C sounds pretty great, perhaps just a bit much in the bass department for my liking.

 

I want to note, that the $20 ones on Amazon get you the IEM, three sets of tips, and a shirt clip.

 

They are relatively slender and long, you could get crazy good insertion, but my ear canal veers upward a little bit, which makes over the ear cabling most comfortable, the flat cable/mic location means that I cannot go over the ear.

 

 

For the price, these are a great deal, easily on par sonically with the GR02!

 

Thanks, good to know!

 

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Originally Posted by BoneEnterprise View Post

Wow brain overload!

As it has been mentioned many dozens of times now, thank you ljokerl for spending the time to assemble such a great resource on such a wide range of IEMs, it has helped me with my research greatly!

 

I come with getting a suggestion on which IEM will best fit my needs based off of what I will be using them for.

 

My main use for these IEMs will be for hooking up to my MSI-GT683R laptop while at work, though it from time to time be hooked to my Samsung cell phone or Zune to listen to audio as well while traveling so I do not have to lug my Sennheiser HD650s around.

The main genre of music I listen to would be Alternative/Rock/Acoustic, though I do on occasion listen to R&B/Rap, other genres pass through my playlist but not enough to single it out as a sound profile for choosing a listening device for.

 

I currently do not have any sort of external dac/amp, though I have thought about buying one for quite some time now and am open for suggestions on those as well, otherwise I will consult the proper sub-forum for that as this question does not pertain to dac/amps.

 

My budget is $250 ~ $300 USD shipped if possible, and I fully intend to purchase from the internet, unless anyone knows of any good deals to be had in the Houston, Texas area.

 

With that in mind and after spending some time reading the reviews found in this thread, I have narrowed down my search to the VSonic GR07 MkII's and the HiFiMan RE272's, from what I can see either one of these will fit with what sound stage that I intend to listen to and won't break the bank at the same time.

 

I have found I can get the GR07 MkII's with a "free" set of GR04's for $240 @ lendmeurears.com, however that is only saving me around $20 if I was to purchase them individually, so not sure if it is worth that extra cost, the HiFiMan RE272's can be had for $249 alternatively.

 

This will be my first set of IEMs to buy with the exception of a set of Munitio Nines I purchased from a forum member here just last night, help me make the "right" decision, thanks in advance.

 

The HD600 sounds neutral to slightly warm-ish to me. If you wanted to match its signature closest the RE262 might actually be a better choice than the RE272 even though I like the RE272 a little better. The only concern regarding the RE272 is its low-medium bass quantity. If you've never had a proper high-end in-ear before (the Munitio definitely doesn't count) the GR07 would be the "safer" choice.  It is quite good with rock.

 

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Originally Posted by Von krumm View Post

Hi Guys, this is by far the best place to find info on IEM and it is very helpful!
I was wondering what Soundstage is good for acoustic music with vocals? I understand frequency and sound signature, but other subjective things like "bright", "fluid" and "hollow" all vary in different frequency bands right?
I listen to mainly prog/electro house (bright stuff) or acoustic guitar/rock and leaning towards the re262's....
Is this correct? Are these two types hard to cover in one headphone?
Going from Brainwavz M3 ~ Enjoyed the bass and decent clarity for me!

 

Almost all sound characteristics show up in measurements such as frequency response - it's just difficult to know how to read them properly. Bright would imply quantitatively greater treble energy, for example. 

 

I think EDM listeners generally prefer a more v-shaped sound than the RE262 but it will always depend on what sounds best to you. I would take the GR07 over the RE262 for those genres. Leaner mid-bass than M3 but better bass extension, clarity, detail, and so on.

 

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Originally Posted by Audio addict19 View Post

Hello all, i've been viewing the IEM's and all and was wondering to anyone who has heard the Yamaha eph-100sl is it like how joker states? It must of been somewhere in this massive thread, but like I said it is massive and would be hard to find it. So any help would be greatly appreciated. :) 

 

There's a long EPH-100 discussion thread here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/577712/yamaha-eph-100 

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post #8562 of 10397
11/1/12 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

Thanks, good to know!

I could probably live without em for a week or two, if you want to give them a try.

 

I meant to say this before, the controls don't work quite right for me. + goes back, - goes forward, and the call button stops/starts. I have an HTC One V.


Edited by scootsit - 11/1/12 at 10:43pm
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post #8563 of 10397
11/1/12 at 11:47pm
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The GR07mk2 is my personal recommendation for guitar driven rock, which seems to encompass your main genres. It has excellent distortion guitar bite, plus very nice sub bass. I've not heard the RE272 but all of the other current RE models. Hifiman IEMs all sound excellent but won't have the same distortion guitar bite or sub bass levels. I don't think you'd be dissappointed with either though.

Actually, RE272 only lacks the low end boost. It requires specific wide large tips (or customs) to achieve its best performance. Normal silicone tips or foams with shallower insertion cut its bass, both impact and amount. (And nobody I know of makes 4,5mm tapering long foams.)

GR07 works the other way around: it gets more of a bass boost at shallow insertion. It's also easy to accidentally cover its front vent, giving it even more bass nonlinearity.

It is rolled off at the highest end in comparison to RE272 - but most everything is, including almost all armature-based IEMs.

 

Both actually are made for deep fit it seems and both have casing that's not exactly made for that. Also both do very well with distortion guitar with RE272 being more dimensional to my ears - the difference is mostly in bass handling and highest end. GR07 gives more intimate sound as a result of its bass tilt, RE272 gives more distant spacious sound instead due to its lack of any tilt.

 

Both are also more resonant than they deserve due to casing. I'll gamble a working pair of RE272 on converting them to infinite baffle. (Seems to help immensely with their bass; GR07 only loses most of its 6k resonance.)


Edited by AstralStorm - 11/2/12 at 12:05am
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post #8564 of 10397
11/2/12 at 3:29am

Does the GR06 require an amp?
I'll be using it with my Galaxy Ace S5830.

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post #8565 of 10397
11/2/12 at 5:08am
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

 

The HD600 sounds neutral to slightly warm-ish to me. If you wanted to match its signature closest the RE262 might actually be a better choice than the RE272 even though I like the RE272 a little better. The only concern regarding the RE272 is its low-medium bass quantity. If you've never had a proper high-end in-ear before (the Munitio definitely doesn't count) the GR07 would be the "safer" choice.  It is quite good with rock.

Yeah I just now ordered the GR07's from Amazon and paid my $8.99 for Saturday delivery, I actually was peeping out the RE262's first before anything and after reading was going to settle on one of the two I mentioned.

The Munitio's I mainly bought because of their supposed "bass head" profile and the fact that I love their gimmick of looking like actual 9mm bullets, also too since I got them for $80 so I don't have to feel bad about paying full price just for said gimmick.

 

Thanks for the reply.

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