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Added the new Ultimate Ears UE 900 

 

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(1C19) Ultimate Ears UE 900


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Added Oct 2012

Details: UE’s long-awaited follow-up to the renowned Triple.Fi 10
Current Price: $399.99 from logitech.com (MSRP: $399.99)
Specs: Driver: Quad BA | Imp: 30Ω | Sens: 105 dB | Freq: 20-20k Hz | Cable: 4' L-plug
Nozzle Size: 4.5mm | Preferred tips: stock single-flanges; MEElec M6 bi-flanges; T-series Complys
Wear Style: Over-the-ear

Accessories (5/5) - Single-flange silicone tips (5 sizes), Comply foam tips (3 sizes), replacement cable with inline mic/remote, ¼” adapter, airline attenuator, soft carrying pouch, and plastic carrying case
Build Quality (4.5/5) – The UE900 retains the blue-and-black plastic aesthetic and replaceable cables of UE’s previous flagship, the Triple.Fi 10, but compacts everything into a smaller, more ergonomic package. The two-pin cable sockets are gone in favor of rotating coaxial connectors akin to those used by Shure’s current offerings and both a headset and a plain stereo cable are included. The cables are braided, with an unusual quad-braid configuration below the y-split, and provide a massive ergonomic improvement over the latest TF10 cables
Isolation (4/5) – Very good with the right fit. The tapered housings allow for a relatively deep seal and a variety of tips is included for optimal isolation
Microphonics (5/5) – Nonexistent in the braided cord
Comfort (4/5) – Ergonomically, the UE900 is a huge improvement on the old TF10, with housings that sit more flush in the ear and can stay in place without additional support, though the rotating cable connectors can make it more difficult to use the memory wire. The earphone seems to favor a deep seal and the housings still contain four armatures per side, so those with small ears should, if possible, try before buying

Sound (9.2/10) – The UE900 is the first Ultimate Ears flagship created under Logitech management. Replacing the Triple.Fi 10, a model that has been a staple of portable audiophiledom for the better part of a decade, the UE900 boasts a 3-way quad-BA configuration akin to that of the Westone 4. Despite UE’s new management, the 900 doesn’t stray too far away from the TF10 sound, opting to simply provide a more balanced and refined take on the signature.

The Triple.Fi 10 has always been known for delivering ample bass courtesy of its 2-way, triple-BA driver configuration, and the new UE900 is certainly no slouch in this regard—its bass is deep, punchy, and articulate. The curve is flatter compared to the TF10, with more linear subbass extension and less mid-bass boost. The resulting sound is less warm compared to the TF10, though still warmer than sets such as the HiFiMan RE272 and VSonic GR07. The bass of the UE900 sounds tighter and more natural than that of its predecessor and the sound is not as colored. The only potential downside is that the UE900 is a touch less “bassy” in the conventional sense than fans of the TF10 may be used to.

The UE900 is tonally on the warm side and the midrange has a mild downward slope. Lower mids are more prominent compared to the TF10, resulting in a sound signature with a much less obvious v-shape. Vocals are less recessed and the midrange sounds fuller and richer, making the mids of the TF10 seem thin in comparison. Upper mids are de-emphasized, however, resulting in slight veiling. Female vocals especially seem veiled and less intelligible compared to sets such as the HiFiMan RE272 and Sony MDR-7550.

Treble response, on the other hand, is quite inoffensive. The UE900 doesn’t lack treble emphasis on the grand scale, providing a brighter sound with more treble presence than some popular triple-driver sets, such as the Shure SE530 and Earsonics SM3. That said, the top end is smoother compared to the TF10 and boasts less sparkle, continuing the UE900’s move away from the more v-shaped, more colored sound of its predecessor. The greater treble emphasis does make the TF10 sound a bit more energetic and can give it the illusion of greater clarity on some tracks but the smoother treble of the UE900 does a better job of avoiding harshness and sibilance. The UE900 also sounds more natural, avoiding the slight metallic tinge displayed by certain other BA-based sets.

The presentation of the UE900 retains the best aspect of the TF10 – the width – but the more forward mids give its sound a less distant, more three-dimensional feel. Soundstage depth is good, easily beating out the popular VSonic GR07 and competing with the pricier Phonak PFE232. Instrument separation and imaging are good as well, providing an immersive listening experience. It’s worth noting also that the sensitivity of the UE900 is rather high compared to the PFE232 and similar sets—seemingly a common trait of all balanced armature in-ears from UE.


In addition to the Triple.Fi 10 comparisons above, I took the chance to test the UE900 head-to-head against a few other high-end universal-fit earphones. What follows are brief notes based on lengthy comparative listening.

Rock-It Sounds R-50 ($120)

The R-50 is a high bang-per-buck dual-armature universal based on the Knowles TWFK driver, a setup similar to UE’s lower-end 700 model. Compared to the UE900, the R-50 boasts a brighter tone with less bass emphasis and more treble energy. It has a thinner note presentation but provides better midrange clarity and more intelligible vocals. Unfortunately, the treble is also splashier and more prone to exaggerating sibilance. The UE900, on the other hand, is smoother and carries more lower midrange emphasis for fuller, throatier vocals. Its bass is deeper and significantly more powerful, though also a touch boomy in comparison. Both earphones have similarly spacious soundstages with good depth and width.

VSonic GR07 ($180)

The GR07 is an audiophile heavy-hitter, providing benchmark performance from a single bio-cellulose dynamic driver. Compared to the UE900, the GR07 provides better clarity and a brighter sound with tonality closer to what I would consider “neutral”. The UE900 is warmer and provides more mid-bass impact with similar sub-bass depth. Its sound is more dynamic, however, and it avoids the sibilance-prone treble peaks of the GR07 in favor of a smoother, less fatiguing presentation. The UE900 also pulls away in soundstaging, with better depth and layering that make the GR07’s presentation appear flat and overly distant.

HiFiMan RE272 ($250)

The RE272 is another audiophile favorite and the latest in a series of increasingly accurate in-ears from HiFiMan. Compared to the somewhat bass-light RE272, the UE900 is warmer and punchier, with an overall presentation centered more on the bass and lower midrange, and a slightly “boomier” bottom end. The RE272 is more transparent and boasts better vocal clarity and treble sparkle, as well as better instrument separation. Its soundstage lacks a bit of depth in comparison, however, giving the UE900 an edge in layering and imaging.

Phonak PFE232 ($600)

Phonak’s flagship uses a dual armature setup but still manages to deliver sound that puts it near the top of the universal earphone game. The sound signature of the PFE232 is noticeably v-shaped, with more recessed mids and added treble energy compared to the UE900. The top end of the PFE232 is more crisp, sparkly, and extended. The low end of the Phonaks also presents less mid-bass emphasis for a slightly cleaner sound. The UE900, on the other hand, still manages good bass, both in depth and impact, but also provides more prominent and less grainy mids compared to the 232. Its presentation also has slightly better depth in addition to great width.

AKG K3003i ($1300)

The priciest universal-fit headset on the planet, the K3003i is AKG’s sole entry into the high-end in-ear market. Compared to the UE900, the dynamic bass driver of the K3003i provides more mid-bass impact and slower bass decay while the balanced armatures attain better top-end extension and crisper, more detailed sound. Its presentation is also more airy and layered better than that of the UE900, though the latter is definitely no slouch. The midrange of the K3003i is more recessed, however, with the UE900 providing better balance between the bass and mids. The UE900 also wins the smoothness battle as the AKGs are more prone to exposing harshness and sibilance.

FitEar ToGo 334 ($1350)

The TG334 is a flagship custom-come-universal from Japan-based FitEar. The UE900 puts up a good fight in this unfair comparison but the TG334 earns its otherworldly price tag with a noticeable jump in clarity and transparency over the UE900. The veil of the UE900 was most noticeable next to the FitEar—the more forward midrange of the TG334, despite the powerful bass, carries no veil whatsoever. Microdetail is brought forward and made more discernible compared to the UE900 and instrument separation is improved as well. Finally, the bass of the TG334 is also more dynamic and capable of delivering greater impact when called for.

Value (8.5/10) – With such a widely revered predecessor and an even more easy-going sound signature, the new Ultimate Ears UE 900 is a high-end earphone for the masses. The outgoing Triple.Fi 10 is still an audiophile icon but after more than half a decade it is undoubtedly a bit long in the tooth. The UE 900, despite the steep price tag, is a well thought-out replacement, both sonically and as an overall package. It provides better ergonomics, optional headset functionality, and an improved cable, as well as punchy, smooth, non-fatiguing sound that doesn’t butcher low-bitrate tracks. It’s not perfect, but with the UE 900 as its replacement the TF10 certainly won’t be missed by many.

Pros: Comfortable fit; spare cable included; nearly no cable noise; punchy bass; more balanced sound than Triple.Fi 10
Cons: Upper midrange can appear a bit veiled

 

post #8492 of 10412
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Added the new Ultimate Ears UE 900 

 

awsome!


Edited by Zelda - 10/28/12 at 11:31am
post #8493 of 10412

How is the Clarity of the PFE 232 compared to that of the GR07 ?

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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

Added the new Ultimate Ears UE 900 

 

 

Very nice review and love the comparisons.  One of your best!

post #8495 of 10412

Tsk tsk... you reviewed the UE900 before the TF10... tongue_smile.gif

post #8496 of 10412

great as I expected

 

I'm waiting to see your impression on FitEar ToGo 334 and maybe heir audio 4ai popcorn.gif, and I think many body are waiting too

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First of all.. thank you Joker for this amazing work! I am a newbie to the IEM appreciation world and am taking my first tentative steps. Based on what I have learnt from you, here is my query. 

 

I have a Soundmagic E30 for the past 1 year and am looking to upgrade my IEM within 100$. Preferred Source - Amazon US. Primary use is with ipod in Gym and Travelling. I listen to mainly Rock and Metal  eg - Floyd and Opeth. 

 

I find the E30 to be pretty good but wish to have more kick in the guitar riffs. just dosent get me headbanging!  I am guessing this means that I should be looking for more forward mids. Is this correct?

 

I am happy with the bass of the E30. I also have a Senn cx300 and find the bass to be bloated and muddy.

 

Obviously would like good definition and soundstaging. 

 

Based on your reviews, I have shortlisted the  following IEMS in order of preference . Kindly advice which one would be the best fit for me. Also keep in mind that  it should survive the Gym.

 

1. JVC HA-FXT90 - Trying to get it from a friend travelling to Japan - 90$ there. 

2. Creative Aurvana 3 - 100$ on Amazon. looks like the one ill get if 1 and 3 don't work out

3. UE TF10 - Only if it comes down to 99$ for black friday. But am concerned abt the sound signature and the built quality for gym use. 

4. Vsonic GR06  

5. Shure SE215

 

Kindly give your views and also if I should consider any other models.

 

Thanks again.  

post #8498 of 10412
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Originally Posted by version6 View Post

I have a Soundmagic E30 for the past 1 year and am looking to upgrade my IEM within 100$. Preferred Source - Amazon US. Primary use is with ipod in Gym and Travelling. I listen to mainly Rock and Metal  eg - Floyd and Opeth. 

 

I find the E30 to be pretty good but wish to have more kick in the guitar riffs. just dosent get me headbanging!  I am guessing this means that I should be looking for more forward mids. Is this correct?

 

I would add the Meelec A161P and Vsonic GR04pro to the list.  Both have very good distortion guitars in your budget.

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Originally Posted by version6 View Post

First of all.. thank you Joker for this amazing work! I am a newbie to the IEM appreciation world and am taking my first tentative steps. Based on what I have learnt from you, here is my query. 

 

I have a Soundmagic E30 for the past 1 year and am looking to upgrade my IEM within 100$. Preferred Source - Amazon US. Primary use is with ipod in Gym and Travelling. I listen to mainly Rock and Metal  eg - Floyd and Opeth. 

 

I find the E30 to be pretty good but wish to have more kick in the guitar riffs. just dosent get me headbanging!  I am guessing this means that I should be looking for more forward mids. Is this correct?

 

I am happy with the bass of the E30. I also have a Senn cx300 and find the bass to be bloated and muddy.

 

Obviously would like good definition and soundstaging. 

 

Based on your reviews, I have shortlisted the  following IEMS in order of preference . Kindly advice which one would be the best fit for me. Also keep in mind that  it should survive the Gym.

 

1. JVC HA-FXT90 - Trying to get it from a friend travelling to Japan - 90$ there. 

2. Creative Aurvana 3 - 100$ on Amazon. looks like the one ill get if 1 and 3 don't work out

3. UE TF10 - Only if it comes down to 99$ for black friday. But am concerned abt the sound signature and the built quality for gym use. 

4. Vsonic GR06  

5. Shure SE215

 

Kindly give your views and also if I should consider any other models.

 

Thanks again.  

TF10 is definitely not for gym usage, it is not durable enough, is not comfortable and doesnt isolate much (exceptions that you reshell it for 100-150$ or buy comply T400 tips).

 

Rockit R-50 might serve the purpose better to you, it has good detailing in mids, strong performers in treble, bass less in quantity but good in depth, sounstage is great in both depth and height, vocals sound so lively. Cable is durable and so is the IEM, might serve well for gym usage. Fit, comfort, isolation are all good..

 

A161p might also suit, but Im not sure if it suits well for gym usage.

 

Even though, I highly suggest not using expensive IEMs for gym usage, Buy a Meelectronics M6, use it for gym .Its great in fit, comfort, durability, isolation, has a warm V-shaped signature  though SQ isnt its strength. And use TF10 or other that youre gonna buy for home usage..


Edited by hitme987 - 10/28/12 at 1:24pm
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TF10 is definitely not for gym usage, it is not durable enough, is not comfortable and doesnt isolate much (exceptions that you reshell it for 100-150$ or buy comply T400 tips).

 

Rockit R-50 might serve the purpose better to you, it has good detailing in mids, strong performers in treble, bass less in quantity but good in depth, sounstage is great in both depth and height, vocals sound so lively. Cable is durable and so is the IEM, might serve well for gym usage. Fit, comfort, isolation are all good..

 

A161p might also suit, but Im not sure if it suits well for gym usage.

 

Even though, I highly suggest not using expensive IEMs for gym usage, Buy a Meelectronics M6, use it for gym .Its great in fit, comfort, durability, isolation, has a warm V-shaped signature  though SQ isnt its strength. And use TF10 or other that youre gonna buy for home usage..

+1 for the r-50 if you want to love the guitars

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Originally Posted by Zelda View Post

awsome!

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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post

great as I expected

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

 

Very nice review and love the comparisons.  One of your best!

 

Thanks!

 

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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

Tsk tsk... you reviewed the UE900 before the TF10... tongue_smile.gif

 

Newer, more interesting, fewer other reviews, fits my ears much better. I have lots of excuses tongue.gif

 

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How is the Clarity of the PFE 232 compared to that of the GR07 ?

 

The PFE232 is pretty similar in clarity and overall signature (with the black filter) but has better texturing/microdetail than the GR07 IMO. 

 

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Originally Posted by version6 View Post

First of all.. thank you Joker for this amazing work! I am a newbie to the IEM appreciation world and am taking my first tentative steps. Based on what I have learnt from you, here is my query. 

 

I have a Soundmagic E30 for the past 1 year and am looking to upgrade my IEM within 100$. Preferred Source - Amazon US. Primary use is with ipod in Gym and Travelling. I listen to mainly Rock and Metal  eg - Floyd and Opeth. 

 

I find the E30 to be pretty good but wish to have more kick in the guitar riffs. just dosent get me headbanging!  I am guessing this means that I should be looking for more forward mids. Is this correct?

 

I am happy with the bass of the E30. I also have a Senn cx300 and find the bass to be bloated and muddy.

 

Obviously would like good definition and soundstaging. 

 

Based on your reviews, I have shortlisted the  following IEMS in order of preference . Kindly advice which one would be the best fit for me. Also keep in mind that  it should survive the Gym.

 

1. JVC HA-FXT90 - Trying to get it from a friend travelling to Japan - 90$ there. 

2. Creative Aurvana 3 - 100$ on Amazon. looks like the one ill get if 1 and 3 don't work out

3. UE TF10 - Only if it comes down to 99$ for black friday. But am concerned abt the sound signature and the built quality for gym use. 

4. Vsonic GR06  

5. Shure SE215

 

Kindly give your views and also if I should consider any other models.

 

Thanks again.  

 

Haven't heard the GR04 but the GR06 has forward mids and does guitars pretty well. Also not very expensive to replace if gym use kills it. The FXT90 is noticeably bassier, though its sound is quite lively and it's not bloated like the CX300. The TF10 is somewhat mid-recessed, doesn't sound like that's what you want.

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Great UE900 review, Joker. I'm still deciding between keeping my SM3's, going for those, and just getting from 1964 V3's .

 

First world problems rolleyes.gif

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PFE232 vs Etymotic Research ER-4S

which has better details for vocals (singers breath- for example) ?

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Originally Posted by version6 View Post

First of all.. thank you Joker for this amazing work! I am a newbie to the IEM appreciation world and am taking my first tentative steps. Based on what I have learnt from you, here is my query. 

 

I have a Soundmagic E30 for the past 1 year and am looking to upgrade my IEM within 100$. Preferred Source - Amazon US. Primary use is with ipod in Gym and Travelling. I listen to mainly Rock and Metal  eg - Floyd and Opeth. 

 

I find the E30 to be pretty good but wish to have more kick in the guitar riffs. just dosent get me headbanging!  I am guessing this means that I should be looking for more forward mids. Is this correct?

 

I am happy with the bass of the E30. I also have a Senn cx300 and find the bass to be bloated and muddy.

 

Obviously would like good definition and soundstaging. 

 

Based on your reviews, I have shortlisted the  following IEMS in order of preference . Kindly advice which one would be the best fit for me. Also keep in mind that  it should survive the Gym.

 

1. JVC HA-FXT90 - Trying to get it from a friend travelling to Japan - 90$ there. 

2. Creative Aurvana 3 - 100$ on Amazon. looks like the one ill get if 1 and 3 don't work out

3. UE TF10 - Only if it comes down to 99$ for black friday. But am concerned abt the sound signature and the built quality for gym use. 

4. Vsonic GR06  

5. Shure SE215

 

Kindly give your views and also if I should consider any other models.

 

Thanks again.  

I also strongly suggest the vsonic GR04 Flagship. It has slightly forward mids but is still pretty versatile, it's a good upgrade to the e30 for what you want and has been extensicely tested from me with rock and metal. I've been working out with it for a while and it is holding up nicely. The meelec A161P can also really get your head banging but the cable doesn't strike like one that can survive workouts.

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I've been wondering myself whether it's already possible to print custom eartips with a 3-D printer and a 3-D scan of the ear. If not, it probably will be very soon. Once more audiologists start using 3-D scans in place of conventional molds you could just take a copy of the scan with you after you get impressions taken wink.gif

It's possible, but most good 3D printers are relatively expensive and limited in choice of materials. You'd still have to smooth out the resulting printout as well, quite tricky.  Really, well done molding is often better than 3D printing.

 

Since you can easily get positives in silicone (resilient, flexible, nonresonant, heavier) or PMMA (pretty hard, light, very good resonant properties) easily from a mold, why would you go with much worse ABS instead? (which requires UV protection, is slightly worse in resonance than acrylic, relatively soft)

I'll only do that because I don't have a good enough ear impression right now.

 

Of course ABS trumps cheaper PET casing or metal, except on durability. It's used in plenty of non-custom cases and instruments.

I'm not sure how often PVC is used, likely rarely. PMMA = acrylic probably sees quite a bit of use in transparent cases and definitely in customs. I've never heard of anyone using polycarbonate though.

Another interesting part is that I've never heard of anyone attempting a custom in a PMA, which is rubber-like. (think pleather)

 

I do know that certain companies (UM for one) use UV hardened PMMA (as in, mixed with a photoinitiator) - that probably is done with a 3D scan combined with a UV laser-based 3D print. Very expensive material from what I was able to gather, but nearly perfect for the purpose. The main limitation is that it probably has to be at least translucent to UV - but you can apply acrylic lacquer to it easily.

 

And if by 3D scans you meant a tomography or magnetic resonance scan... no, that's not going to happen any time soon. The machines are far too expensive.


Edited by AstralStorm - 10/28/12 at 4:29pm
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