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post #8326 of 10367
10/6/12 at 11:04pm
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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post

 

thanks allot , recently I see E30 in my country too. so what's about that? can you give me a comparison between E30 and E10 or SHE3580.

 

here is my first post:

 

 

The E30 is quite similar to the E10, just less v-shaped with more balanced between midrange and bass, and less treble sparkle. I don't know if I would pick it over the SHE3580 either.

 

Regarding microphonics, the SHE3580 is pretty bad unless worn over-the-ear. You could even get some of those silicone cable guides to help keep the cable in place. 

 

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Got a UM3X.  My ears are still in line with Joker's, as I find the review on them similar to what I hear.

 

One weird thing I have noticed is: how terrible the UM3X is off the Zodiac.  Off my iPhone 4S, they're great.  On the Zodiac, I can't take more than a few minutes.  It's impressive that they're wideband enough to actually change between the two, but it's also annoying.  The Zodiac shows the midrange to be especially overwhelming.  My theory is that the Zodiac does a better job resolving spatial cues and places the vocalist front and center depth-wise.  Most recordings are this way, and it comes off correct on speakers or headphones that can do depth, ie. HD800, HE-6, etc.  But on the UM3X, the presentation area is relatively small, and so all this depth and spatial information is truncated to nothing but a massive midrange bump.

 

Anyway, as far as comfort goes, sound, etc, this is one purchase that I don't regret.  It took a LOT of tip rolling to find tips that didn't make things too warm, liquidey, gooey, and treble recessed, but it was well worth it in the end.

 

What's the output impedance of the Zodiac? You really don't want a high output impedance for a BA monitor such as the UM3X. 

 

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R-50 will be next? Can't wait to read about them tongue_smile.gif

 

Definitely not next, there's a number of things ahead of them in queue including some heavy hitters.

 

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I don't know any audio terminology so bare with me. I've been using Bose IE2 headphones for about a year now but I'm not really satisfied with them. Vocals and instruments seem to get drowned out during band jams and choruses. What sort of headphones under $300 should I be looking at to fix this? I'm leaning toward GR07 headphones since those have a lot of good reviews.

 

Also, years ago I used to have some cheap Sony MDR-A35G headphones that made vocals sound like they were being sung live directly into my ear compared to sort of a distant tinny sound most other headphones have. I don't know if that was due to isolation or what but it was amazing and I'd like to have that back.

 

The GR07 is nicely balanced and resolving but it's not a forward-sounding earphone. An old Sony and a Bose in-ear may not be good enough data points for determining the type of sound you like - an earphone doesn't have to be forward-sounding in order to give you great vocal clarity and intelligibility but chances are neither the Bose nor the Sony can showcase that. If you do want your vocals forward and intimate you may want to go for a JVC FXT90 over the GR07, or one of the higher-end BA monitors such as the Final Audio FI-BA-SA.

 

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joker thanks for your advice, i've already auditioned akg3003 coming from tf10(with white angel cables) and fx500 it really blown me awayL3000.gif

 

my impressions of akg3003 using walkman z1000 with stock player are:

 

  • price is too steep for price and performance ratioeek.gif
  • everything is clear and clean it's like a mixture of fx500 and tf10(with white angel cables)
  • very good highs and well extended, clear mids, very good bass in quality and quantity, good timbre and almost same soundstage as fx500beyersmile.png

 

still might go to miracle ciem which i think have better price and performance ratio (but not yet auditioned) while still saving up for it,

 

i'm planning to buy orthofon eq-5, do you think is it step-up coming from tf10(with white angel cables) and fx500?

 

just can't tolerate metallic tinge of tf10 and recessed mids of fx500 angry_face.gif

your recommendation is highly appreciatedpopcorn.gif

 

thank you sooo much,

 

I only have a stock TF10. The e-Q5 is a more balanced than that and than the FX500 as well. Definitely no recessed mids there. It's actually still one of the most 'pleasant' earphones I've heard, maybe not the best at anything but so refined and relaxed that wanted to listen to it instead of reviewing it. 

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post #8327 of 10367
10/7/12 at 12:50am

If AKG K3003 is too expensive for you and you can live with the treble filters, Fischer Audio DBA-02 or Brainwavz B2 are quite comparable.

If you cannot, then perhaps VSonic GR01.


Edited by AstralStorm - 10/7/12 at 6:06am
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post #8328 of 10367
10/7/12 at 5:12am
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I only have a stock TF10. The e-Q5 is a more balanced than that and than the FX500 as well. Definitely no recessed mids there. It's actually still one of the most 'pleasant' earphones I've heard, maybe not the best at anything but so refined and relaxed that wanted to listen to it instead of reviewing it. 

 

Hi joker,

 

Thanks for your quick responsewink_face.gif

 

I have another question about it

 

does the e-Q5 have similar sound signature of brainwavz m1? because I've already sell my brainwavz m1 which does not fit my preference..

 

My preference is similar to tf10 or U shape sound signature, mostly I listen to rock, rnb, pop, acoustic and hip hop

 

My max budget for the new iem will be 200usd

 

I'm just worried about e-Q5's treble it might not suit me, because I like sparkly and extended highs

May be dba02 mk-II might suit mepopcorn.gif

 

but I wonder the bass of it, is it similar to tf10 and without metallic timbre? angry_face.gif

 

if yes I might go for itbeyersmile.png

 

if you have any other suggested iem, I will be gladly to consider it

 

Thank you very much for enlightening me for my next purchasebiggrin.gif

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post #8329 of 10367
10/7/12 at 6:07am

Brainwavz B2 and Fischer Audio DBA-02 (mkI; mkII probably as well, as they measure very much the same) doesn't have metallic timbre to my ears - only high amounts of 4-6k brightness if used with foams.

Interestingly enough, this brightness is reduced noticeably (to near zero?) with silicone tips.

(e.g. included single flanges or even better, VSonic single flanges)

 

9/10 in my scale - pity they don't have any better subbass handling. The signature with silicones is relatively flat to my ears with minor dip in the center midrange (pushing female vocals back) and very minor aggressive boost at 5-6 kHz.

No metallic 2-3 kHz boost, no metallic "bell-like" 4k resonance.


Edited by AstralStorm - 10/7/12 at 7:20am
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post #8330 of 10367
10/7/12 at 8:17am
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What's the output impedance of the Zodiac? You really don't want a high output impedance for a BA monitor such as the UM3X. 

 

Mismatch sounds like a much more plausible theory than mine.  tongue.gif

 

Looked it up and there are conflicting reports online, some say 120 ohm, some say 5 ohm.  

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post #8331 of 10367
10/7/12 at 9:03am
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Brainwavz B2 and Fischer Audio DBA-02 (mkI; mkII probably as well, as they measure very much the same) doesn't have metallic timbre to my ears - only high amounts of 4-6k brightness if used with foams.

Interestingly enough, this brightness is reduced noticeably (to near zero?) with silicone tips.

(e.g. included single flanges or even better, VSonic single flanges)

 

9/10 in my scale - pity they don't have any better subbass handling. The signature with silicones is relatively flat to my ears with minor dip in the center midrange (pushing female vocals back) and very minor aggressive boost at 5-6 kHz.

No metallic 2-3 kHz boost, no metallic "bell-like" 4k resonance.

 

AstralStorm, wow, that's a good news, no metallic timbre makes me jump and grab those dba-02 mkII right away

 

usually I use silicone tips in my iems, foam tips is very expensive for me

 

now the search begins and if possible I will audition this in our local store first

 

thanks a lot for your advice


Edited by walkman_heart - 10/7/12 at 9:05am
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post #8332 of 10367
10/7/12 at 1:07pm
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Hi joker,

 

Thanks for your quick responsewink_face.gif

 

I have another question about it

 

does the e-Q5 have similar sound signature of brainwavz m1? because I've already sell my brainwavz m1 which does not fit my preference..

 

My preference is similar to tf10 or U shape sound signature, mostly I listen to rock, rnb, pop, acoustic and hip hop

 

My max budget for the new iem will be 200usd

 

I'm just worried about e-Q5's treble it might not suit me, because I like sparkly and extended highs

May be dba02 mk-II might suit mepopcorn.gif

 

but I wonder the bass of it, is it similar to tf10 and without metallic timbre? angry_face.gif

 

if yes I might go for itbeyersmile.png

 

if you have any other suggested iem, I will be gladly to consider it

 

Thank you very much for enlightening me for my next purchasebiggrin.gif

 

No, the M1 is thicker and more mid-centric. The e-Q5 is more balanced and clean-sounding. However, it's really not v- or u-shaped. Neither is the DBA-02 mkII, but it does have more treble energy than the e-Q5. Leaner bass, though.  And both have less bass than the TF10. Even the UE900 has less bass than the TF10, and that's UE's own follow-up.

 

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Mismatch sounds like a much more plausible theory than mine.  tongue.gif

 

Looked it up and there are conflicting reports online, some say 120 ohm, some say 5 ohm.  

 

That's a pretty wide gap rolleyes.gif

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post #8333 of 10367
10/7/12 at 2:15pm
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That's a pretty wide gap rolleyes.gif

 

I know, it's harder than it should be to find detailed information on Antelope products.  

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post #8334 of 10367
10/8/12 at 10:36am
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I know, it's harder than it should be to find detailed information on Antelope products.  

 

Indeed. Tech specs really shouldn't be a matter of opinion. 

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post #8335 of 10367
10/8/12 at 2:53pm
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If AKG K3003 is too expensive for you and you can live with the treble filters, Fischer Audio DBA-02 or Brainwavz B2 are quite comparable.

If you cannot, then perhaps VSonic GR01.


Sorry to ask, but what do you mean by "treble filters"?

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post #8336 of 10367
10/8/12 at 3:01pm
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A full review of the MEElec A161P and Fischer SBA-03, with measurements, has been posted at InnerFidelity here. I'll be adding the MEElec A161P to the chart as a separate entry in the near future. The cable, plug, and accessory pack are different from the Fischer version. Everything else is pretty much the same. 

 

 

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Sorry to ask, but what do you mean by "treble filters"?

 

The K3003 comes with 3 sets of tuning filters that affect the sound - bass boost, treble boost, and reference. There's some info on them in the beginning of my write-up as well. 

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post #8337 of 10367
10/9/12 at 3:53am

256. Nice round number for us IT people.

 

Are you testing the Rock-It R50 already? Would they reach at least 8.5 on your rating scale?

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post #8338 of 10367
10/9/12 at 8:51am

hi ljokerl! I want to recommend some U (or even V)shaped headphone to one of my friend that listen to pop and  rock & metal songs

I want to recommend him tf10 and w3 or even ie8 (I heard w4r and ex1000 and ie8)

 

when I listen to metal songs with ex1000 I hear a lot of harshness in treble (in ie8 case the treble was good without any harshness) so  are w3 or tf10 safe choices?

can you suggest me some U (or even V)shaped headphone which have not a hot treble like ex1000? (I think that something  like ie8 whit less bass quantity and tighter bass will be suitable.)

 

thanks


Edited by heart banger-97 - 10/9/12 at 9:10am
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post #8339 of 10367
10/9/12 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post

A full review of the MEElec A161P and Fischer SBA-03, with measurements, has been posted at InnerFidelity here. I'll be adding the MEElec A161P to the chart as a separate entry in the near future. The cable, plug, and accessory pack are different from the Fischer version. Everything else is pretty much the same. 

 

 

 

The K3003 comes with 3 sets of tuning filters that affect the sound - bass boost, treble boost, and reference. There's some info on them in the beginning of my write-up as well. 


 Thanks for the answer joker, I didn't understand he was refering to the K3003

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post #8340 of 10367
10/9/12 at 7:28pm
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256. Nice round number for us IT people.

 

Are you testing the Rock-It R50 already? Would they reach at least 8.5 on your rating scale?

 

Yes and yes

 

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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post

hi ljokerl! I want to recommend some U (or even V)shaped headphone to one of my friend that listen to pop and  rock & metal songs

I want to recommend him tf10 and w3 or even ie8 (I heard w4r and ex1000 and ie8)

 

when I listen to metal songs with ex1000 I hear a lot of harshness in treble (in ie8 case the treble was good without any harshness) so  are w3 or tf10 safe choices?

can you suggest me some U (or even V)shaped headphone which have not a hot treble like ex1000? (I think that something  like ie8 whit less bass quantity and tighter bass will be suitable.)

 

thanks

 

The TF10 has less treble energy than the EX1000 in my experience but it's by no means laid-back. The W3 is highly tip depend and can sound somewhat harsh. I would consider the Yamaha EPH-100 or Monster Miles Davis Trumpet as alternatives. The Trumpet is more v-shaped but not harsh or bright while the EPH-100 is a bit more laid-back up top and has a heavier midrange emphasis. 

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