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post #16 of 19
8/26/12 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by genclaymore View Post

Op-amps are not a placebo

 

How do you know it for sure ? Can you prove it in a blind test ? If you just did the typical procedure of listening to the unmodified device first, then swapping the op amps (which takes some time, usually significantly longer than the <1s for which auditory memory is reliable), and then listening again, expecting to hear an improvement, then there is a fairly good chance that you were experiencing placebo.

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post #17 of 19
8/26/12 at 6:08am
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I can't say if bottlenecking is actually an issue here. The difference between SQ on the Xonar DS swappable op amps is in their tonal characteristics. This may or may not be related to data throughput and benchmarking type results. Give me ears over stats any day.

 

Of course, you are free to believe that it made an improvement, but I think it is still fair to point it out to others who did not decide yet that the difference might not be real, similarly to silver cables and other popular but questionable "upgrades".

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post #18 of 19
8/26/12 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by stv014 View Post

How do you know it for sure ? Can you prove it in a blind test ? If you just did the typical procedure of listening to the unmodified device first, then swapping the op amps (which takes some time, usually significantly longer than the <1s for which auditory memory is reliable), and then listening again, expecting to hear an improvement, then there is a fairly good chance that you were experiencing placebo.
When ever I swap op-amps I spend a good time with them, Then when I tried another one of the common ones. I spend a good time with them too. I don't forget how they sound during that. Just like how I still know how the OPA2134 sound which annoys me when ever I used them. If you was to swap the op-amps on me I would tell right away, I hear changes in audio easier then most people. Unless you get dirty and use Two similar sounding op-amps. But Even then I still be able to tell when something is off.

But I never go i trying another op-amp thinking it better in my mind, because I don't know what to expect when I try a different one. You are welcome to be a op-amp dis-believer all you want as we will just have to agree to disagree.
Edited by genclaymore - 8/26/12 at 1:42pm
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post #19 of 19
8/27/12 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by stv014 View Post

 

Of course, you are free to believe that it made an improvement, but I think it is still fair to point it out to others who did not decide yet that the difference might not be real, similarly to silver cables and other popular but questionable "upgrades".

 

Mighty generous of you, pilgrim.

 

However, like my weird preference for wooden, rather than plastic, clarinets, I was actually able to tell the difference, and it was appreciable enough for me to go to the hassle of reinstalling the upgrade, and commit myself to print (sic) in offering my opinion that it was worthwhile. (I also assumed that nobody actually needed to be told that they had a choice...)

 

I also know when to quit, so I'll go with my questionably upgraded interconnects and speaker cables, and leave you with the freebie bell wire and earbuds that came in the box.

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