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On my audiologists advice I leave my T1s in an airtight jar containing a few silica gel packs every night. He and I discussed the need to get a more expensive solution (e.g. a dedicated hearing aid drying unit), but agreed the airtight jar and silica apoproach was all you needed to do. I leave the silica gel packs on the radiator once per week to remove any moisture, then re-use them again. Simple, cost efficient and, most importantly, effective.

 

Based on the discussions with him and other stuff I've read about it, it's pretty crucial to regularly remove any moisture from in-ear monitors, regardless of the specific method used. I probably go over the top a little, but I've got the confidence I can use my T1s for marathon listening sessions without fear they're going to break down due to moisture accumulation, which is apparently one of the biggest reasons in-ear monitors break prematurely.

post #287 of 404

I wonder if you could just put them in a jar with some rice and get the same effect?

post #288 of 404

Not sure I'd want to chance it personally, but in theory it should work.

 

The main difficulty I see with these DIY drying jobbies is ensuring the 'stuff' is acually dry enough to pull moisture from the monitor. One of the silica gel packs I use has indicator pieces that change color when it gets too wet or is dried out again, so I hope mine is doing the business.

 

It's amazing how we can drop over £500 (approx $800) on the T1s and then penny pinch like this when it comes to measures for safeguarding our investment's longevity. Hahahaha tongue_smile.gif.

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Originally Posted by gerry123456 View Post

It's amazing how we can drop over £500 (approx $800) on the T1s and then penny pinch like this when it comes to measures for safeguarding our investment's longevity. Hahahaha tongue_smile.gif.

It's because we dropped a limb on it so that we are financially exhausted at the end of the day. Boy, talk about putting insults into injuries...starving MSc student heretongue_smile.gif.

 

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

I wonder if you could just put them in a jar with some rice and get the same effect?

It should work, but I guess it would not be as good nor as quick as desiccant packs. Why don't you just use the one included?

 

Btw, the included desiccant pack is kind of different from the ones I've come across, as the silica gel is wrapped inside a tranparent pack rather than the conventional paper-based pouch. I'm wondering if I'm meant to pop it open and expose the silica gel to the IEMs directly, or just keeping the pack as it is would do the trick? confused.gif (Guess I'm getting paranoid...).

post #290 of 404
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Btw, the included desiccant pack is kind of different from the ones I've come across, as the silica gel is wrapped inside a tranparent pack rather than the conventional paper-based pouch. I'm wondering if I'm meant to pop it open and expose the silica gel to the IEMs directly, or just keeping the pack as it is would do the trick? confused.gif (Guess I'm getting paranoid...).

 

As a fellow paranoid-about-moisture-person tongue_smile.gif, I think it should remain in the transparent pack - my pack seems to have very small holes.

 

Also of note, if yours is the same, the gel within the pack itself changes color. Mine started with a percentage of the granules a light brown color. When I put it on a warm radiator overnight to dry it out (the plastic pack didn't melt, despite the lightweight feel), the granules were far darker than when the drying began.

 

I must try the opposite experiment some time and leave it in a sealed container with a moist rag to check if the granules will then lose their color over time.

 

If my experiment fails to confirm my hypothesis and/or my paranoia gets to me, then I may buy this off Amazon here in the UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Indicating-Silica-Aluminum-Canister-Dry-Packs/dp/B0025OO8DO/. I'm trying to achieve the same result as I would get from that product but by reusing silica packs which I had lying around the house.

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^ Thanks, mate. I did not notice any holes on the pack. I'll probably stop making do with desiccant packs - even though they do quite a good job - and splurge on some hearing aid dryer soon, once I have fully financially recuperated tongue.gif. I've heard story about a T1 Live! owner getting the drivers inside an earpiece oxidised, contacted him and it turned out that he did expose the pair to some extreme usage before that happened. Still it's pretty scary as it looks like solid silicone-shelled IEMs are a lot more susceptible to moisture damage than hollow acrylic counterparts.

post #292 of 404

Oh dear. Problem.

 

My T1 Lives arrived as promised just before Christmas. I used them for a couple of hours with an iPod and they sounded very good indeed compared to what I am used to.  I wanted them in time for a big gig on New Years' Eve. I put them back in the box, with the silica gel, and had not touched them again over the festive period.

 

Yesterday I got them out again to test everything for the gig and immediately noticed something was wrong, low output LH side. Then the LH earpiece suddenly got louder but was fuzzing on bass notes. I tried several sound sources and all were the same. After a few minutes things appeared to become normal but as I increased the volume a little the LH side started to break up again. I left them overnight and just tried them again.  The LH earpiece is fuzzing at low levels again.  They have to go back and I can't use them tomorrow night.

 

This is a chance for ACS to show how good their customer service is.

 

I'll post updates.

 

Al

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Oh boy that's dreadful! And they just had to act up right before your performance. Sorry to hear about that mate frown.gif.

 

Given the excellent customer services, I'm sure ACS will accompany you and your pair impeccably. Still, this raises a big reliability question on their part

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Originally Posted by 3nenbgumi View Post

...looks like solid silicone-shelled IEMs are a lot more susceptible to moisture damage than hollow acrylic counterparts.

 

Yea, interesting. I had a look in the JH Audio owner manual to see what it says (http://www.jhaudio.com/files/User-Guide-Promusic.pdf) and it doesn't mention anything special for care and maintenance except giving them a wipe with an antiseptic cloth after a gig.

 

So this got me thinking about moisture all over again and I looked in the ACS manual. It actually states the same thing as JH and only states there's a need to dry with silicate if they 'get wet'.

 

So, I guess it's a good question to ask what exactly 'gets wet' means. Surely them being in my warm ear for 5 hours in a house that's a lot cooler than my ear (I'm thinking some kind of condensation here) can't be a good thing? So I'm back full circle wondering if I should dry them just in case. I was using hearing aids by way of comparison thinking I'd follow their care regime. However, maybe hearing aids aren't a sufficiently equal comparator, as the user wears them all day, every day. Nevetheless, I think I'm gonna be totally anal about it and keep mine in the airtight jar with silicate every night anyway.

 

Unless.... Could everyday drying in some way harm them? 

 

I'm damned if I do, or if I don't dry them. I think paranoia has me in its grip now. Hahahaha.

 

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Originally Posted by AlDrums View Post

Oh dear. Problem.

 

The LH earpiece is fuzzing at low levels again.  They have to go back and I can't use them tomorrow night.

 

This is a chance for ACS to show how good their customer service is.

 

I'll post updates.

 

Al, very sorry to hear yours have an issue. ACS were able to get a complete replacement done and back to me within a week, and that was with the Christmas rush, so I sincerely hope they can give you a swift turnaround, too.

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Originally Posted by gerry123456 View Post

 

Yea, interesting. I had a look in the JH Audio owner manual to see what it says (http://www.jhaudio.com/files/User-Guide-Promusic.pdf) and it doesn't mention anything special for care and maintenance except giving them a wipe with an antiseptic cloth after a gig.

 

So this got me thinking about moisture all over again and I looked in the ACS manual. It actually states the same thing as JH and only states there's a need to dry with silicate if they 'get wet'.

 

So, I guess it's a good question to ask what exactly 'gets wet' means. Surely them being in my warm ear for 5 hours in a house that's a lot cooler than my ear (I'm thinking some kind of condensation here) can't be a good thing? So I'm back full circle wondering if I should dry them just in case. I was using hearing aids by way of comparison thinking I'd follow their care regime. However, maybe hearing aids aren't a sufficiently equal comparator, as the user wears them all day, every day. Nevetheless, I think I'm gonna be totally anal about it and keep mine in the airtight jar with silicate every night anyway.

 

Unless.... Could everyday drying in some way harm them? 

 

I'm damned if I do, or if I don't dry them. I think paranoia has me in its grip now. Hahahaha.

 

Hang on there mate. I think you forgot about the most important bit in their manual, which is one about using the enclosed dehumidifier after each use and storing them in the pouch/case supplied wink.gif. Also according to the manual, I'd refer "get wet" to something like deliberately submerging them in water or getting water splashed on them (similar to the "Do not eat" instruction on a desiccant pack, thanks Cap. Obvious).

 

About moisture damage, I speculate it has something to do with sweat. Don't know about yours, but my ears do sweat quite a bit after using IEMs for a prolonged period, say about 2 hours. It does not come in large amount, but enough to be visible on the silicone tips of universal IEMs and also feels a bit gross in my canals. Given how far the CIEMs intrude, I'd say there is a lot more sweat that cannot be seen staying in the sound tubes after use, which can turn into moisture damage if accumulated long enough. So yeah, as far as I can see, the only drawback to everyday drying would be the hassle of getting them out and putting them back in every time you use them. Better be safe than sorry, eh smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by 3nenbgumi View Post

Hang on there mate. I think you forgot about the most important bit in their manual, which is one about using the enclosed dehumidifier after each use and storing them in the pouch/case supplied wink.gif.

 

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Better be safe than sorry, eh smily_headphones1.gif

 

It seems they give slightly different guidance depending on the manual you look at. Hmmmm, wonder why.

 

Compare and contrast these: http://www.acscustom.com/download/Live!-Instructions-V1.pdf and http://acscustom.com/download/T-Instructions-V1.pdf.

 

Both are listed on this page: http://www.acscustom.com/uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=127&Itemid=104 so I assume they are both current. My monitors are the T-Series, not the T-Series Live, so that's why I was looking at the T-Series leaflet which just says about dehumidifying if they get wet.

 

Like you said, better to be on the safe side.

 

EDIT: you may notice that on the links page the T-Series document states T-Series Classic. However, that is still the document being linked to off of the main T-Series page (see the specification tab here). Maybe they've had some break due to moisture issues and updated the T-Series Live leaflet but not the regular T-Series. Hmmmm...


Edited by gerry123456 - 12/30/12 at 6:10am
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Just a note on service. I got an e-mail last night formAdam Rhodes, the US service manager asking how the T1's are so far. He is still on vacation back home in England!  Al, I can't imagine they would not do all they could to correct any problems that are arising.

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15 hours and the bass is really starting to come in ......Sound stage is opening up...This is going to be good!

 

I just found this thread from reading your post on Pictures of Your Portable Rig... I was wondering if you or anyone here owns the EPH-100 ? the reason I ask is I purchased the EPH-100 after reading the rave reviews and I have been blown away by them. I have been thinking of getting the ACS T1 for some time, for isolation more than anything else but I am curious as to how they compare to the the EPH-100, which have the perfect sound signature for my ears. I'm especially intrigued after reading Hiflight's comments on the EPH-100: "They compare very favorably with some of my customs that are considerably more expensive."  Thanks in advance.


Edited by StargateRecords - 1/5/13 at 12:00pm
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StargateRecords,

 

The EPH-100 compare's favorably to my Etymotic hf3's. They are some of the best in their price range. However, the T1's are much better. The isolation, bass response and soundstage are significantly improved. Good thing since they are more than 6X the price. tongue.gif

 

The challenge, for me, with selecting a CIEM was that you can read reviews and perspectives until your eyes fall out but eventually you have to order something....biggrin.gif

 

For me there were two deciding issues with the T1's:

 

First, I ordered the ACS Custom Ear Moulds for my Etymotic hf3's about 18 months ago. They have been fantastic and a nice improvement over the stock ear tips.. These required the ear moulds at the Audiologists just like a custom CIEM. Once ACS receives them, they keep the digital file for several years. So I did not have to get another mould made.

 

Second, the very detailed description of their performance in Average_Joe's review matched what I enjoy. I have since found that my impressions have been in agreement with what he has written.

 

So, I went for the T1's....

 

I have found that the hf3's compared favorably to the Shure 535's and the Westone 4's. I would imagine the EPH100's are also of that caliber. CIEM's are the only path beyond I have found. You pay for it, but for me it was a good buy. ACS customer service has simply reinforced my decision. Adam Rhodes, the ACS Custom US service manager is now a Head-Fi'er so you can get access to them for any questions you may have prior to your purchase or afterwards right here.

 

Good luck with your choice! I am happy with mine...

 

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

The challenge, for me, with selecting a CIEM was that you can read reviews and perspectives until your eyes fall out but eventually you have to order something....biggrin.gif

 

Thanks for the reply, the above quote sums up where I'm at right now. The trouble is, I found the EPH-100 to be so good that I'm a little worried I could be disappointed with any CIEM I get. Before I purchased the EPH-100 I had been trying another single driver IEM that was nearly three times the price, but it did not have anywhere near as much detail as the EPH-100. I would be quite happy to stick with the Yams, but there are situations where I need better isolation and I know the only solution for that is a ZPM. I haven't read Average_Joe's review so I'll see if I can find it. Meanwhile, any direct comparisons to the EPH-100 would be gratefully received, especially with regards to clarity.

 

Thanks

 

Edit: lol... ZPM - I'll leave that in there -  I meant CIEM, (It's been a long day... and guess what show I'm watching  tongue.gif


Edited by StargateRecords - 1/6/13 at 12:56pm
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