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post #46 of 2248
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Originally Posted by iponderous View Post
I know that the e-Q7's gave you grief in the fit department but when you could make them work for you, how did they compare to the Coppers? Chalk and cheese?
I only got to hear the e-Q7's at their best for very short bursts of time. But some things are easy to remember. The e-Q7's had a wider soundstage (although maybe not as enveloping as the Coppers). The treble was quieter, the mids were more forward (not UM3X forward) and the bass was a bit less impactful (but not lightweight at all). I think the e-Q7's were overall a tad warmer and smoother. Sorry to be so general, but I didn't have them long enough to make any definitive statements.
post #47 of 2248
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Originally Posted by the search never ends View Post
The MD sound in a nutshell, or if you prefer, mini review. First, let me start by saying I don't consider the MD or even the Cppoer as a "true" reference set. Rather a means for enjoying the music. Many listeners, will always be chasing a certain sound. For the most part, what they seek is detail, soundstage, and the hardest part, a device that doesn`'t annoy them in the long term. Be it, the highs, mids, boomy bass, what have you.
Now that I've disclosed my take on what I believe most listeners seek. Here we go.
The Miles Davis set, Is rather unique, its rather engaging, yet not the best at any one thing. And for the majority, that's not a problem. The Sound signature is rather warm, but only a little. No part of the spectrum bothers you, if it does, throw away all your iem's.... it may not be a "superstar" but it is inoffensive. Like it or not, that's important.
I have a different perspective when it's just me and the music. At those times, I may want more transparency. More detail. The time when it's just you and the music, is finite. So, with music at the workplace, or working on other tasks, anything that takes just the smallest part of your attention. This is where many iem's will fail you. If I am stressed, a really involving, ultra transparent iem could get me going in the wrong direction. The Miles Davis set, more so than any other iem, I've heard, are enaging enough to enjoy good detail, yet forgiving enough to make every genre very enjoyable.
The mids are a strong point, the bass is deep and punchy. The treble has pretty good extension, and retains enough detail to keep you invloved. Just enough. Kepp those words "just enough" in your mind, where others fail, the MD, and to a large degree, the two MTP iem's give you just that "just enough" . The MD set is inrivaled in the realm of letting you enjoy the music without fatigue, for many, many hours, Treble? Soundstage? Just enough. The mids are very good.......not the best mids of any iem. Pretty close though. I can't honestly point ot anything that should offend a listener, it really does a fantastic job of letting you enjoy the Music. It is not the most sonically accurate iem, and that's not what most people want, most of the time. Indeed, even my jaded ears don't want that at all times. The way the music is presented, the faults are very minor. And if I would compare to the other iem's that pick a different compromise. The MD's win, and it's not so easy to compare to all the others out there. However, pick what you will as your first criterea for the most important aspect for your personal preference. And unless the Very highly transparency of a rare few is it, the MD wins, I would prefer often the transparncy of another pair. However, even though I have a single pair I prefer, that does not offend me, I'm still using the MD's very often. It all comes back to just enough. It can be much more than just enough with some music, it can be outstanding. Yet it is never less than just enough. Upper treble sparkle is not there, for those that are looking for it. However, the treble is very natural sounding. Even the two MTP models sound very similar, I think the MD takes the best route for the long haul and different situations. Piano, strings, voices are all just enough. Why am I taking this approach? Like it or not, what most think they want is almost always not the case. I own the orto EQ7...... which in my view trumps every iem I've ever heard. But I can say without hesitation, that an overwhelming majority will find much more long term happiness, and long hours of enjoyment from the Miles Davis set. It is the single best "compromise" on the market. It doesn't do this or that? Doesn't matter, it is always just enough. Miss the soundstage of th ie8? The ie8 at times can be overdone, as can any other compromise. The MD set is also Close to the Gold, in most areas. I would easily pick the MD of the 3,
I am a very hard to please person. The MD's don't try like so many other iem's to stand out. They instead grow on you day by day. If my impressions don't leave you with enough of an idea, you can pm me. I would deeply appreciate any concerns from current owners via pm. I have seen much controversy over the "MONSTER" name. I am not interseted in defending my view on them. This little impression has been asked for repeatedly by a relative few. I offer my personal opinion for them. And, I hope it is helpful.
I like this review, it comes across genuine (that's not to say other reviews aren't genuine mind) and gives an impression of what these sounds like. Thanks
post #48 of 2248
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Originally Posted by the search never ends View Post
........ I offer my personal opinion for them. And, I hope it is helpful.
Sounds like a honest review, great job!!
post #49 of 2248
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post
Yes. It's very helpful. It's also refreshing to see that while you clearly like the Monsters - you're also quite willing to highlight any flaws (minor or not) that you think they may have. If only more people adopted this attitude instead of flying into tantrums and attacking people when someone comments negatively (on any phone) this place would be a whole lot more useful. Thanks again.
Couldn't agree more. In addition, other members' opinions to avoid are those who create second ID's to troll the forum, defend their gear and get threads closed down. They have absolutely no credibility at all. But that's just a little soapbox of mine after seeing some ridiculous behavior recently.
post #50 of 2248
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post
Hey ipondy

No, you don't fall into that group. You would most certainly know if I thought that! As for the Coppers, in my opinion, they're great for long listening periods, unlike the CK10 which were great for short bursts, but very tiring for anything much longer. The Coppers are a good all rounder. Having listened to them for almost 2 weeks now, I still can't find anything negative to say about them, other than (just to be nitpicky) I'd like a bigger soundstage, although it's nothing like as cramped as the UM3X.

If you think of the IE8s, and shrink the soundstage by 30%, strip away a couple of layers of warmth, add a slightly livelier treble and clearer midrange, plus a tighter bass, that's pretty much what I hear with the Coppers. The more I listen, the more I like them. By week two I've generally moved on from the novelty of a new sound and either continue to like it, or hate it with a vengeance. But I'm enjoying the Coppers more each day.
Regarding your statement about the CK10s, I could not agree more. I also think they sound amazing for short periods, but I do get tired of them too easily.

I guess thats the main reason why I wanted to try something else. Like many others, I associate the Monster brand with the other overpriced equipment people purchase at the big name stores. However its hard to deny the great reviews these Monster products have been receiving as of late. I think the MDs will be a good compliment/"change of gear" so to speak to my CK10s.

I have always strived for equipment with the best detail, accuracy, transparency, soundstage etc etc ., but I have come to realize that these "stats" or "qualities" means nothing if they are not truly enjoyable. Now I understand that great equipment/headphones do not have to have all of these qualities, they just have to be enjoyable and stand the test of time. The question is, do you get tired of them????

I hope the MDs will stand the test of time.
post #51 of 2248
IMO nothing stands the test of time, its human nature to crave something new and head-fiers are probably more susceptible to that than anyone else. Sounds a bit bleak but that's my view anyway
post #52 of 2248
I disagree..

For example I have a lot of vintage 80s home audio (2 channel) that my father has handed down to me that I absolutely love, Technique's Turn Tables, SAE pre-amp & amp, pair of Sansui loudspeakers, pair of Cerwin Vegas, pair of AKAI loudspeakers.

I am more of a car audio guy myself and I have some Orion HCCA & PPI Art Series amplifiers from the early 90s, set of Morel Supremo Components and Audiocontrol EQs which I purchased a couple years back.

To this day I have yet to have any desire to upgrade any of my home or car audio. It continues to put a smile on my face everytime I fire it up.

I think it is possible to find equipment that can stand the test of time.
post #53 of 2248
Good review, Search.

And Soozieq's comments are well taken.
post #54 of 2248
@sk3383 i didnt mean stand the test of time literally, what i meant was regardless of what we have we will always crave more. however i agree that it doesn't mean that we still can't appreciate older (or vintage) things..

anyway, back to the TMD
post #55 of 2248
@ soozie...your comparisons concerning the copper, at least in my view are perfectly presented. I've seen them described as boring, however, ( it's more like not always exciting)
We all love exciting, but it's not a long hours type of listen.


@ Spyro... Time will tell, However, I have a few Iem's I still love after years of owning them. The Shue E500/SE530, were part of my lot's of headtime group for roughly 3 years. When I recently got my orto eq7's. I knew that would not be the case any longer, So I sold my newest mint pair to a fellow headfier, that will cherish them. If I get 3 years of enjoyment from the MD set, I will be happy as heck. I will however, never sell them. I purchased them (initially) more as a conversation piece. And was pleasantly suprised.

@ Chris ........always classy

@ iponderous......lol, you generally try to keep yourself in check, I have bantered with you a couple times, never remember anything personal
post #56 of 2248
@search you mean you sold your EQ7s, or the Shures
post #57 of 2248
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Originally Posted by the search never ends View Post
The Shue E500/SE530, were part of my lot's of headtime group for roughly 3 years.
Thanks for the great review Search. How would you say the MD's treble compares with the SE530? One thing I don't like about the SE530 is what I perceive is a rolled off treble.
post #58 of 2248
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Originally Posted by the search never ends View Post
@ soozie...your comparisons concerning the copper, at least in my view are perfectly presented.
I've seen them described as boring, however, ( it's more like not always exciting) We all love exciting, but it's not a long hours type of listen.
I don't hear the Coppers as boring at all, unlike the UM3X which I found boring from the second I placed them in my ears. But I know tons of other people that loved them, so my idea of 'boring' was obviously someone else's idea of perfection, and vice versa of course.

At this point, I can't imagine I'd ever find them boring, but I know I like a change of sound now and again. If I ate the same food every day, I'm sure I'd get bored with that too. What I actually still want is one really good BA to go with the Coppers. Then I could just switch when I fancied a change of sound signature. If the CK10 had been more bearable over longer listening sessions, I'd have kept those for my 'change'


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Originally Posted by sk3383 View Post
To this day I have yet to have any desire to upgrade any of my home or car audio. It continues to put a smile on my face everytime I fire it up.
Same here. I changed my home and car system last year after ten years, and can't imagine wanting to upgrade again for a long time. But that was a much bigger investment (of time and money). With something like earphones though, I have a much shorter attention span. And I actually enjoy checking out different sound signatures even if I'm happy with what I have. It's just fun


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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
Couldn't agree more. In addition, other members' opinions to avoid are those who create second ID's to troll the forum, defend their gear and get threads closed down.
They have absolutely no credibility at all. But that's just a little soapbox of mine after seeing some ridiculous behavior recently.
Yes. I'm pretty sure I know who that member is and the whole situation was just crass.

It's against Head-Fi rules too.
post #59 of 2248
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Originally Posted by Father Schu View Post
Thanks for the great review Search. How would you say the MD's treble compares with the SE530? One thing I don't like about the SE530 is what I perceive is a rolled off treble.
The MD's have better treble extension than the se530.
Keep in mind..... not sparkling but nice extension, and pretty darn natural, I find the copper, has ever so slightly better treble than the MD's
I still have a prefrence for the MD......all 3 of the top monster's are a pretty seriously good compromise...Three flavors, with very subtle differences.

Thanks for the comments headfiers. I hesitated to even write it.
post #60 of 2248
Thanks for the review, search. I thought it was very interesting, but it was a little hard to read. The lack of paragraphs made it all turn into a bit of a long run-on commentary.

I know that for myself, I ended up having to reread sections of it, just because I found myself reading several sentences, then realizing that while I had read it, it hadn't sunk into my brain really.

Mike
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