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post #151 of 2248
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Okay, I got the Coppers today. I'm not going to do a big long comparo, because the comments I read which drew me to the MD's totally ring true. Actually, I'm hoping the Coppers improve significantly with burn in because the difference I'm hearing initially is quite a bit more surprising than I was expecting (I know often it's not fair to comment on a phone straight out of the box, but I will since I was so impressed with the MD's straight away). From what I'd read, I would have thought we were talking about subtleties between the two. We're not. Unless the Coppers improve drastically, the MD's are in another league. I forget who said the difference is not subtle, but I wholeheartedly agree. The Coppers sound rather distant and constrained after listening to the MD's. Treble can border on harsh and 'spitty', and the bass is more akin to the IE8's with similar murkiness (it starts to encroach on the rest of the range, like the IE8). The MD's by contrast have a significantly larger soundstage, with much more layering and spatial cues going on. Things surround you more in a 3D manner. Listening to the live recording of Hotel California feels like you're in the front five rows, while with the Coppers it seems like you're cast back to row thirty or something. Mids are another weakness compared to the MD's too, almost creating a 'hole' in the range. The MD's just feel way more connected, complete, and sparkly.

I know this is a bit drastic, but it's how I'm hearing things right away. I didn't find the MD's to improve very much from when I first received them, so I would expect more of the same with the Coppers. At this point, I think I'm going to return the Coppers. The MD's are a truly special set of phones.
post #152 of 2248
^^^ patience Chris, the coppers are much harder to fit, and they do change, my initial impression were a mirror of yours. The fit and burn in, briught them much closer.
The right tips, make a WORLD of difference on the copper, the MD's housing makes the fit much easier to get right......my 2 cents. The Copper and MD have been used by me on many others in an a/b teast after proper fitting with both, only two could tell them apart. (2 of 9) Again, I had the very same first thoughts as you describe. Please give them every effort to shine, before giving up. I don't doubt you wil end up liking the MD better though. I know thay are my personal favorite of the three. The coppers, however, from my limited ability to let others listen, The coppers were picked as the favorite 4 times, the MD 3, and the Gold 2......adding myself puts the MD even with the Coppers. The listening will continue, and the coppers are going on tour soon. I can't stress enough how tough the coppers can be to get "just right" In the end, it was well worth it. Read through Average Joe's thread, I happen to know he loves the coppers, but only found this love after a long struggle to get the right tip. I only emphasize this, because of what I know can make a world of difference with the coppers. Kunlun, Eric, lucozade, and many others can speak for themselves, but knowing them all, I feel safe saying I think we're all in agreement regarding the Coppers. They are a fine set.
post #153 of 2248
Yes hearing about how small the Copper's soundstage was one of the reasons I chose the MDs over them. The MD's soundstage was a very pleasant surprise. Coming from the IE8 I was expecting to be disappointed, but instead I could hardly hear a difference in width.

I'm surprised to hear your impressions of the Copper's bass (and the rest of the sound really) though. Now I'm really glad I spent a little extra to get these, not that I wasn't already. Now I'm just waiting for my Headstage Arrow to come in and see how that improves the sound over my E5.
post #154 of 2248
^^^^ I had a friend ask me to audtion his arrow, I had it several days, I thought it was a nice match with the MD's... I found it a very good sounding amp, especially considering the price. I hope you enjoy it @Knubbe......
post #155 of 2248
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Will do with the patience thing. But I've just about run through all the tip options I have which usually work well. Hybrids seem to be the best on both phones, but the Coppers do take a lot more fiddling with to get them to stay seated. Unfortunately I can't find any of my Sennheiser foam tips. Those frequently work well for me, but sadly have gone awol.

I don't see how the Coppers will make up the ground I hear, even with a miraculous burn in. I'll give it time though and update my impressions as things evolve. Like I said in my post, I know it's a bit unfair to listen critically right away but I was pretty blown away by the MD's, and not so much with the Coppers.

knubbe-
Congrats on purchasing an Arrow. I look forward to reading your impressions once you receive it.
post #156 of 2248
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
Okay, I got the Coppers today. I'm not going to do a big long comparo, because the comments I read which drew me to the MD's totally ring true. Actually, I'm hoping the Coppers improve significantly with burn in because the difference I'm hearing initially is quite a bit more surprising than I was expecting (I know often it's not fair to comment on a phone straight out of the box, but I will since I was so impressed with the MD's straight away). From what I'd read, I would have thought we were talking about subtleties between the two. We're not. Unless the Coppers improve drastically, the MD's are in another league. I forget who said the difference is not subtle, but I wholeheartedly agree. The Coppers sound rather distant and constrained after listening to the MD's. Treble can border on harsh and 'spitty', and the bass is more akin to the IE8's with similar murkiness (it starts to encroach on the rest of the range, like the IE8). The MD's by contrast have a significantly larger soundstage, with much more layering and spatial cues going on. Things surround you more in a 3D manner. Listening to the live recording of Hotel California feels like you're in the front five rows, while with the Coppers it seems like you're cast back to row thirty or something. Mids are another weakness compared to the MD's too, almost creating a 'hole' in the range. The MD's just feel way more connected, complete, and sparkly.

I know this is a bit drastic, but it's how I'm hearing things right away. I didn't find the MD's to improve very much from when I first received them, so I would expect more of the same with the Coppers. At this point, I think I'm going to return the Coppers. The MD's are a truly special set of phones.

Wow @ Chris, I"m sorry to read the Coppers didn't impress you straight out of the box, but I wasn't impressed with the Coppers either initially. I would suggest that you give them a little more burn in time. They began to really shine for me after about 30 hours of burn in. On the other hand, you have me even more intrigued about the MDs, which my buddy search kind of talked me out of since I have the Copper and the e-Q7. But I'm still in no rush, especially while I still own the IE8. But I would suggest, if your'e interested, burning them in some. If they are just not your cup of tea, I'll understand that too...
post #157 of 2248
Pm incoming chris.........
post #158 of 2248
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
Wow @ Chris, I"m sorry to read the Coppers didn't impress you straight out of the box, but I wasn't impress with the Coppers either initially. I would suggest that you give them a little more burn in time. They began to really shine for me after about 30 hours of burn in. On the other hand, you have me even more intrigued about the MDs, which my buddy search kind of talked me out of since I have the Copper and the e-Q7. But I'm still in no rush, especially while I still own the IE8. But I would suggest, if your'e interested, burning them in some. If they are just not your cup of tea, I'll understand that too...
Yeah eric, I find many, feel they don't sound much different, and others like one or the other much more. I strongly believe it's a fit issue, but I can't blame anyone for not wanting to fuss with an iem, If I wasn't so persistant and patient with the eq7 and copper, thay could have been easy to dismiss.
@ Chris, whatever suits you best bro, I've been hit with both sides, Copper lovers and MD lovers....and of course some love both. I prefer to just have as many as possible, I realize that's not for everyone. My opinion stands.for my ears more similar than different. Others won't agree, and that's fine buddy!
post #159 of 2248
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Originally Posted by the search never ends View Post
^^^ patience Chris, the coppers are much harder to fit, and they do change, my initial impression were a mirror of yours. The fit and burn in, briught them much closer.
The right tips, make a WORLD of difference on the copper, the MD's housing makes the fit much easier to get right......my 2 cents. The Copper and MD have been used by me on many others in an a/b teast after proper fitting with both, only two could tell them apart. (2 of 9) Again, I had the very same first thoughts as you describe. Please give them every effort to shine, before giving up. I don't doubt you wil end up liking the MD better though. I know thay are my personal favorite of the three. The coppers, however, from my limited ability to let others listen, The coppers were picked as the favorite 4 times, the MD 3, and the Gold 2......adding myself puts the MD even with the Coppers. The listening will continue, and the coppers are going on tour soon. I can't stress enough how tough the coppers can be to get "just right" In the end, it was well worth it. Read through Average Joe's thread, I happen to know he loves the coppers, but only found this love after a long struggle to get the right tip. I only emphasize this, because of what I know can make a world of difference with the coppers. Kunlun, Eric, lucozade, and many others can speak for themselves, but knowing them all, I feel safe saying I think we're all in agreement regarding the Coppers. They are a fine set.
It's really neat that you did this a/b (and a/b/c) test with a bunch of people on the various monsters. Awesome.
post #160 of 2248
@ kunlun, thanks, I can't say it has any specific meaning, it was a curiosity thing.
I found it intersting, I'm going to get the Coppers on the road to my son, and see what he and his military pals think, several own the Gold's. More opinions are always helpful.
Thanks again!
post #161 of 2248
I always like blind tests to see what people's intial impressions are.
post #162 of 2248
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
Okay, I got the Coppers today. I'm not going to do a big long comparo, because the comments I read which drew me to the MD's totally ring true. Actually, I'm hoping the Coppers improve significantly with burn in because the difference I'm hearing initially is quite a bit more surprising than I was expecting (I know often it's not fair to comment on a phone straight out of the box, but I will since I was so impressed with the MD's straight away). From what I'd read, I would have thought we were talking about subtleties between the two. We're not. Unless the Coppers improve drastically, the MD's are in another league. I forget who said the difference is not subtle, but I wholeheartedly agree. The Coppers sound rather distant and constrained after listening to the MD's. Treble can border on harsh and 'spitty', and the bass is more akin to the IE8's with similar murkiness (it starts to encroach on the rest of the range, like the IE8). The MD's by contrast have a significantly larger soundstage, with much more layering and spatial cues going on. Things surround you more in a 3D manner. Listening to the live recording of Hotel California feels like you're in the front five rows, while with the Coppers it seems like you're cast back to row thirty or something. Mids are another weakness compared to the MD's too, almost creating a 'hole' in the range. The MD's just feel way more connected, complete, and sparkly.

I know this is a bit drastic, but it's how I'm hearing things right away. I didn't find the MD's to improve very much from when I first received them, so I would expect more of the same with the Coppers. At this point, I think I'm going to return the Coppers. The MD's are a truly special set of phones.
hI CHRIS, i had a simuliar experience with the coppers, at times the music sounded very distant and the mids sounded thin and maybe a bit harsh while the treble lacked sparkle, they are very senstive to getting the right tip for your own ears.With some tips you really do have to spend time wiggling them around in your ears to get them in the perfect spot to let the music flow out correctly untill they reach there burn in point enyways and they do get drastically better with burn in ,they sound wonderfull to me now at around 55hrs use ,oh and by the way they do seem to get worse befor they get better so bare with it and you should reep the rewards .
post #163 of 2248
WOW ..... Right out of the box these MD's are sounding sweet. Making me smile ..... Very enjoyable sound signature!!!!!!
post #164 of 2248
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Originally Posted by sk3383 View Post
WOW ..... Right out of the box these MD's are sounding sweet. Making me smile ..... Very enjoyable sound signature!!!!!!
Great to hear! I suspect they're a night/day different sounding phone than the CK10's?
post #165 of 2248
Must...resist....temptation....
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