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Originally Posted by amcananey View Post

Again, I find the Bottlehead approach slightly irritating, but maybe we are all just spoiled by Amazon and next-day delivery and we should remember that Bottlehead's model wasn't all that unusual a couple of years ago...

Best regards,
Adam

This is so true. I find it irritating myself when people treat you as though you are a billion dollar company which has miles upon miles of warehouse inventory. Bottlehead's products are a niche product in a niche market. I am willing to accept a month of waiting, because I understand the difference. Plus, I appreciate the fact it's not a faceless company and Doc has a great sense of humor too. Heck, if you were to order all these parts yourself, it would probably take the same amount of time, and more money just in shipping costs alone. Sorry for the slight rant, but that last sentence struck a chord with me because several people have treated me as such.

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There is an old saying - "good, fast, inexpensive - you can have two out of three." 

 

We decided 19 years ago to concentrate on good and inexpensive - make the best sounding gear we could come up with for the price, work the business on a cash basis to keep the prices as low as possible, trim labor to the quick and to take pains to be very up front about the lead times of various products.  I can understand that some folks might think that is not the way that we should do business. However I have to weigh this against our current 20% growth rate which seems to indicate that some customers find it an acceptable approach. If fast is what is the priority over good or inexpensive there are certainly manufacturers out there who will have products in stock. 

 

Since we've only been in the kit business for 19 years, we don't claim to know that much about it. We do know that we don't want to be responsible for making unhappy customers, and there is usually little to be gained by forming a relationship with someone who has preconceived dissatisfaction. But if you want a pretty nice sounding piece of gear that you can call your own and you have some patience we would love to create a kit for you.

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Doc's Kits are amazing.  Sometimes you might have to wait a little bit but they are well worth the wait.  If you ever buy a high end amp it is the same way.  You have to wait for it to be built and shipped and I am fine with that because the products are so good.  That is why I keep going back to Bottlehead to buy more stuff.   That and I like building them.  Also the manuals are so good I think that I sometimes buy the kit just for that.  :rolleyes:.  

 

I know that the customer service has already been mentioned but I can also vouch that it is fantastic.  Every fast email responses and Doc is always very active on the Headfi and Bottlehead forums. My most favorite part about the service is that when you call them though you don't have to press 1 for more options.  It takes you directly to a human being.  :biggrin: 

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I've never met any of the crew at BH. But I'd like to. Everything I've read and heard tells me they are sensible and good people. A rare thing.
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They love music and audio, and support head-fiers, thats for sure. Great hospitality too - they welcome visitors. biggrin.gif
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Is there a thread somewhere.. 'Crack OTL' mods for neophytes? I found the tube rolling on BH, which already has me rubbing my hands. :)

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Three weeks in and waiting for my Crack...I'm getting super-itchy to do some soldering!  Looking forward to it, Doc B!

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Originally Posted by mithrandir38 View Post
 

Three weeks in and waiting for my Crack...I'm getting super-itchy to do some soldering!  Looking forward to it, Doc B!

I have been waiting about the same, I think waiting for the kit is all part of the experience it does give you plenty of time to do some research on tubes solder tools finishes etc!

 

And as one of my favourite adds says

 

Good things come to those who wait

 

Tick followed tock followed tick

 


Edited by JamieMcC - 10/20/13 at 5:49am
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I've just build the crack last week end and really happy with it? anyone know what's the stock tubes called? I'm pretty happy with the stock tubes and want to buy some spares.

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BTW both of them doesn't have any marking so couldn't figure it out by myself

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Originally Posted by Mahdi8 View Post
 

BTW both of them doesn't have any marking so couldn't figure it out by myself

It's right on the product page, about 1/3 of the way down:

http://www.bottlehead.com/store.php/products/crack-otl-headphone-amplifier-kit

 

The tube lottery is still in play.  We send out a lot of clear tops, a few mullard, 5963's, etc for the 9 pin tube.  The octal tube is nearly always a 6080 of some variety.

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so basically since there is no marking on the tubes I can't tell what's the make of the tubes? Sorry I'm a real beginner on tube selection. and so many types it confuses me. Most of recommendation tube tread seems out of date and their prices are much more than they used to now. for under $50 what's the recommended upgrade for the stock power and input for a flat frequency, largest detail and most sound stage? or I have to spend up to $100 or more?

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BTW is 6n8s russian tube with black plate any good for input tube?

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Originally Posted by Mahdi8 View Post
 

so basically since there is no marking on the tubes I can't tell what's the make of the tubes? Sorry I'm a real beginner on tube selection. and so many types it confuses me. Most of recommendation tube tread seems out of date and their prices are much more than they used to now. for under $50 what's the recommended upgrade for the stock power and input for a flat frequency, largest detail and most sound stage? or I have to spend up to $100 or more?

For the input tube, 12AU7 RCA cleartop (organ stock), and for power tube I would stick with the 6080 variant.

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Originally Posted by Mahdi8 View Post
 

so basically since there is no marking on the tubes I can't tell what's the make of the tubes? Sorry I'm a real beginner on tube selection. and so many types it confuses me. Most of recommendation tube tread seems out of date and their prices are much more than they used to now. for under $50 what's the recommended upgrade for the stock power and input for a flat frequency, largest detail and most sound stage? or I have to spend up to $100 or more?

 

I have great result with the RCA Clear-top ( relabeled by Conn ) and the GEC 6AS7G Brown base ( driving HD650 ). If you want details and big sound stage, don't look else where but the RCA Clear-tops, you can get them at a cheap price is also a plus.


Edited by Aeolus Kratos - 10/22/13 at 10:24am
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