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post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies - some good points well made - especially re: classical recordings already being somewhat binaural.

Just to clarify - I find the hardware implementation of Dolby Headphone way better than DSP plugins.

Perhaps the thread title was touch provocative... ;-)

Happy listening all!
post #17 of 28
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Just to clarify - I find the hardware implementation of Dolby Headphone way better than DSP plugins.
Are you saying that hardware DH sounds way better than software DH? If it's the same algorithm, wouldn't the sound quality be the same?
post #18 of 28
crossfeed is a way of getting rid of the horrrrible way headphones present music as opposed to loudspeakers.

I think the aim is to push the centre sound-stage out infront of you as opposed to headphones default of putting it in the middle of your head, which is all kinds of wrong.

crosstalk is just one channel getting a faint image of the other superimposed on it, or one input bleeding into another, noticeable at high volumes on unused inputs in lots of audio gear.
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by Erik Garci View Post
Are you saying that hardware DH sounds way better than software DH? If it's the same algorithm, wouldn't the sound quality be the same?
It sounds better to me... but I haven't A/B'd the difference...

Am currently trying this:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/he...eed-eq-475007/

Much more subtle than Dolby Headphone - no big 'wow' factor for me. But perhaps it might be more of a keeper...
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by minktoast View Post
Am currently trying this:
Have you tried Isone Pro? I think it sounds better than DH.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/is...mputer-473885/
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the tip - just trying Isone Pro demo. Sounds very good. Much less coloration of sound than DH. Always something new to try!
post #22 of 28
Thread Starter 
Having spent 24 hours with Isone Pro I can confirm that I much prefer it to Dolby Heaphone. Thanks again for the link Erik.

Just also had a look at the Smyth Realiser you mentioned:

http://www.smyth-research.com/products.html

It has head tracking!! My friend was laughing at my binaural musings and saying how that wouldn't help him because the illusion would be broken when he moved his head... will have to buy him a Realiser for Christmas... (if I win the lottery....)
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
luckily you can achieve EXACTLY that w/o the grossly hollow reverb of DH.
Which version did you try and what headphones did you use? It can make a HUGE difference switching any of these, because the goal is to emulate multiple dispersion characteristics.
post #24 of 28
BBE (2 or 3)+ on the cowon S9, it is so great even on maxed settings!
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Given this thread's title, I was expecting the answer to be loudspeakers.

I think I'll skip the Dolby. It would be difficult to run the turntable, FM tuner and SACDs through a soundcard.
A valid point. On the other hand my turntable, FM tuner, and SACD player are gathering dust, while I'm sitting here listening from my soundcard.
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by minktoast View Post
Having spent 24 hours with Isone Pro I can confirm that I much prefer it to Dolby Heaphone. Thanks again for the link Erik.

Just also had a look at the Smyth Realiser you mentioned:

Smyth Research

It has head tracking!! My friend was laughing at my binaural musings and saying how that wouldn't help him because the illusion would be broken when he moved his head... will have to buy him a Realiser for Christmas... (if I win the lottery....)
Are you running VI upmix + Isone 5.1 Surround, or or are just using the regular Isone plugin?

I've been switching back and forth for the past few weeks. I'm starting to think that for music I just like the plain old Isone. When I run VI + Isone 5.1 the sound stage sound much "bigger" and I get all excited but the more I listen the more it feels a little to reverby. This is even with the rear cranked down pretty low. Turning down the width correction seems to help things sound more natural and less processed but it seems to be at the expense of stereo separation.
post #27 of 28
"More musical enjoyment and better sound stage than any other upgrade - can you guess what it is?"

>> dutch green?
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Given this thread's title, I was expecting the answer to be loudspeakers.

I think I'll skip the Dolby. It would be difficult to run the turntable, FM tuner and SACDs through a soundcard.
Good decision. You'd be disappointed. DH is a gimmick. I've used it for a few months and it makes every recording sound like it was made in a hall (even with the smallest room-size is selected). There is way too much reverb and the sound is echoey regardless of the track. The soundstage is large but tonal balance goes out the window, mid-bass gets boosted and muddy, highs lose their natural sparkle and details get blanketed. I was enamored by the effect when I was a newcomer here, but I learned eventually that it was way too artificial and actually fatigued/bored me in the long run.

For anyone wondering, I tried it on 3 different soundcards (STX, Claro+, Sondigo Inferno) over a period of a few months with a couple amps, and a whole host of headphones. The results were the same every time.

Edit: I also tried the Isone Pro for a week or so and it was better than DH, but still much worse than no DSP at all. The only DSP I would ever consider is the Smyth Realiser, which I've heard very good things about.
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