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post #31 of 66
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Nice!! It SHOULD have the same SQ it has the exact same DAC the WM98987 from Wolfson...
post #32 of 66
I will test it with my Nuforce NE-7, Re0 and ATH-A900 and write a small review here...
post #33 of 66
So the SFLO2/t51 are better in the sound department? are they the best out of all players? how about battery life on the q10? Oh, can someone give me a short summary on chinese music players, looking to sell my d2+ now. Im chinese but left when I was 6 but go CHINA, so wanting to get a Chinese music player :P
post #34 of 66
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Originally Posted by IntelLover View Post
So the SFLO2/t51 are better in the sound department? are they the best out of all players? how about battery life on the q10? Oh, can someone give me a short summary on chinese music players, looking to sell my d2+ now. Im chinese but left when I was 6 but go CHINA, so wanting to get a Chinese music player :P
Yes, the s:flo2/T51 is tops in SQ.

The batt life for the Q10 is roughtly ~= 20Hrs for audio, ~= 5Hrs vid (tho i havent done exhaustive tests on vid. Im a _audio_freak Jim, not a doctor)(Star Trek huma)

A great couple of sites to look at to get a grip of the Chinese DAP/PMP is MP4 Nation Online MP4 Player Store and JTSHOP
also the lisse lineup at : ::::::::::::::::: ȨÆäÀÌÁö¿¡ ¿À½Å°ÍÀ» ȯ¿µÇÕ´Ï´Ù.::::::::::::::::::::::::::

ENJOY!!!
post #35 of 66
Can the Q10 do 1080 or 720p out? Also, which is better at audio, the Ramos T11 or this?
post #36 of 66
is there album art support? I've been trying to figure out how to see the album
art but i cant see them
post #37 of 66
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Originally Posted by IntelLover View Post
Can the Q10 do 1080 or 720p out? Also, which is better at audio, the Ramos T11 or this?
I've not explored output... let me check my box.

Aaaaaand: I will have to do a test on my 720p HDTV Monitor... and get back to you regarding this one.
post #38 of 66
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Originally Posted by vongola View Post
is there album art support? I've been trying to figure out how to see the album
art but i cant see them
Nope. This player does NOT SUPPORT ALBUM ART, however it has a nice EQ display...
post #39 of 66
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lisse Q10 - Internal Chipset Views [Photo Tour] [Picasaweb Album Links]

Here are a host of images I took after figuring out how to pop the rear shell off of the lisse Q10. Internally it is very tidy, and made of high-quality components!

Here we go folks:

lisse Q10 - previous to opening!:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - detail view (front):
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - battery view 3.7V 900mAH of type PL434055 OR 0904160:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - battery view 3.7V 900mAH of type PL434055 OR 0904160 (Closeup):
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 battery view 3.7V 900mAH of type PL434055 OR 0904160 (Closeup2) also: RK600 chip:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - gold plated audio jack!:
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lisse Q10 battery view 3.7V 900mAH of type PL434055 OR 0904160 (Closeup #2):
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - Internals Overview (battery off to the side): Samsung 910 K9HCGZBU1M PCKO ROM chip, Rockchip RK2706 series, Samsung 937 K4S2B1632K-UC60 RAM Module:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - Internals Overview (battery off to the side): Samsung 910 K9HCGZBU1M PCKO ROM chip, Rockchip RK2706 series, Samsung 937 K4S2B1632K-UC60 RAM Module (Closeup):
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - Samsung chips, Rockchip RK2706B and RK600:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - AXP182 99024C 19X chip:
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lisse Q10 - Shielded 8006 500867 0006 chip, Rockchip RK2706B 7F29285 0938:
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lisse Q10 - Wolfosn Microelectronics WM8987G 99AB1NA DAC chip:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - with Wolfson WM8987G DAC, Samsung ROM/RAM Chips, and Rockchip RK2706B exposed:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - MSMSIC C2925X 092862 chip:
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lisse Q10 - MSMSIC C2925X 092862 chip, Samsung RAM Chip, Rockchip RK2706B (detail):
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - internal view of wheel scroller housing:
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lisse Q10 - WM8987G DAC chip (Closeup):
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lisse Q10 - View of Wolfson WM8987G DAC, Samsung ROM, Rockchip RK2706B, and Samsung RAM chips:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

lisse Q10 - View of Speaker (Upper Left Hand Corner), Various Chips, and a antistatic insulation strip. All in all a very well designed device!!!:
Picasa Web Albums - 11330397600594900...

And... This concludes the tour of the lisse Q10 3.3" DAP/PMP Tour... Hope you enjoyed the ride!!! (Apologies, I couldnt get the images to embedd maybe this is a picasaweb issue? So you have links to the album. Anybody who knows how to fix that... Let me know!)
post #40 of 66
Nice FLAC, great dissection!!!!
post #41 of 66
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Originally Posted by nywytboy68 View Post
Nice FLAC, great dissection!!!!
Why THANK YOU,

I'm quite proud... actually! It was fun. I'm curious about opening a s:flo2 and seeing if that larger cap battery will work now... Not that I want to put that player all over this thread...

Please lets at least keep this about lisse hardware.

There are three "good ones" out there:

The small COWON D2-sized lisse Q10, which I own.
The larger COWON O2PMP-sized lisse U10, which I wish I owned but anadin does... perhaps we can see some more info once he has a chance to play with his U10...?
Then there is the 5" metal encased (from what I am able to discern) lisse H10 which supports HD Video...

Nice lineup. And I'm consistently blown away by that WM8987 DAC. I go a couple of days switching players up and then back to the lisse to evaluate it... its sharp, detailed, soundstagey, and smooth all in a bundle. I'm very happy with the SQ.

Like I may or may not have stated on Head-Fi, i feel that despite its single DAC which isn't the FLAGSHIP Wolfson WM8740, the WM8987 equipped Q10 delivers about 5/8 the "magic" of the s:flo2... proportionately.

And super pocketable! With a fantastically finger friendly touchscreen!!!
It does a good job of selecting what you meant to stab at with your meaty fingers. Nice. Not Ponderous at all (like the RAmos T11TE). It's usually right on the money as far as touchscreen item selection goes.

And its cute. So like I say, I'm pleased with the Q10.
post #42 of 66
Could you explain what are the advantages of the S:flo2 compared to the Q10/U10?

(I apologize for my bad english...)
post #43 of 66
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Originally Posted by riton66 View Post
Could you explain what are the advantages of the S:flo2 compared to the Q10/U10?

(I apologize for my bad english...)
Mainly in Sound Quality, and in ease of Video Playback. I can only speak for the s:flo2 (T51) and the Q10.

With the Q10 you have a single all-in-one DAC chip pushing both channels. The very good sounding Wolfson WM8987.

With the s:flo2 (T51) you have this configuration:
Dual Channel (Dual Mono) setup... whereby the Wolfson WM8740 is employed. One per Left Channel, One per Right Channel, and their signals are mixed inside of a TI Burr Brown OPA2604 low distortion operational amplifier chip, allowing greater signal purity.

With Video Playback:

Q10: A WQVGA display that requires video transcoding in my experience as files with too hight a resolution barf.

s:flo2 (T51): A HVGA display that DOES UP TO 720p HD video with zero transcoding. I have yet to have it hate a file format.

ADDITIONALLY: the s:flo2 has a dedicated analog line-out for using with Analog Interconnects and offboard Headphone Amplifiers... This alone makes it a win for many. Also it is a very silent lineout. I don't detect any hum, or noise, on the line...
post #44 of 66
Thank you.
The U10 SQ is very good (same as the Q10 I guess) but I'd like to test this S:Flo2...
In terms of SQ, it has a better clarity / better extension / Better bass?
post #45 of 66
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sflo2 vx. Q10

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Originally Posted by riton66 View Post
Thank you.
The U10 SQ is very good (same as the Q10 I guess) but I'd like to test this S:Flo2...
In terms of SQ, it has a better clarity / better extension / Better bass?
Hi riton66,

Just woke up, & my Q10 is charging, so I will do an A-B comparison with the same FLAC file, on NORMAL (FLAT) EQ and compare the two to the best of my ability to answer your question. It'll be up by this evening.

Here is the Review:

(Teclast T51)//nationite s:flo2 vs. lisse Q10


Specs of audio chips:

s:flo2:
Audio Chip(s): Wolfson WM8740 DAC (x2 in Dual Mono Config) ---> BUF: Texas Instruments Burr-Brown OPA2604 opamp


Q10:
Audio Chip(s): Wolfson WM8987 DAC


Headphones used:

IEM: Victor HP-FX500


Lineout Test:

Amps:

Solid State: iBasso D10 Cobra DAC/AMP (LR: LMH6643, BUF: AD8656 (x2) opamps),

Tube: Bravo Audio v1 (6N11 Tube)



Music used for tests: same microSDHC Card, Same FLAC files:


s:flo2:

1. Fischerspooner : #1 : "Emerge"
(Electronic; electro sub-genre)

* UNAMPED (HP-Out): Victor HP-FX500: Deep 'Submersive' EXTREMELY LAYERED bass notes. Treble sharp (not unpleasant), clear, and very seperated from note to note. Mids more fleshed out possibly due to recording than in the other two tracks. Totally Musical presentation.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > D10): Victor HP-FX500: LARGE, nicely layered bass notes, with more viration and vividity. Treble more controlled than unamped. Clear vocals, everything is resolute (well resolved in detail).

* AMPED (LINEOUT > Bravo): Victor HP-FX500: Spaces between notes is filled with more air in a good way. Strong pungent treble. Excellent modeling to the vocals. "Lush" as is often used to describe tube pairings is appropriate here as a description of this pairing. The humm to the bass notes is exceptional here.


2. Neneh Cherry: Buffalo Stance : "Buffalo Stance"
(R&B; Hip-House sub-genre)

* UNAMPED (HP-Out): Victor HP-FX500: Treble clean & clear. Vocals forward. Bass strong and layered. Mids present yet subdued (not aenemic). Soft Percussion due to deep & layered bass response of this phone. Very clean and inviting presentation on this pairing.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > D10): Victor HP-FX500: Clear and smooth, if punchy. Bass has a meaty impact. Mids exist, arent drowned out by the other tones too much. Nice bass guitar strumming. Extremely musical pairing.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > Bravo): Victor HP-FX500: Rich scratching and fun treble. PUNCHY Bass. Smooth musicality. Bass extension is subterranean. Deep and Urban. Pleasing.


3. Stabbing Westward: Wither, Blister, Burn & Peel : "What Do I Have To Do"
(Rock; Industrial sub-genre):
* UNAMPED (HP-Out): Victor HP-FX500: Bass Very Deep with good elongation & layering; Mids smooth, slightly backstaged by the deep bass; Clear, present, vivid treble. Bass>Mids>Treble range very smooooth, Vivid, full range presentation, with smallish Midrange. Simply Vivid with this pairing.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > D10): Victor HP-FX500: Deep and Vibey Bass intro, smooth electric synths, breathy vocals. CLEAR. Totally CLEAR music pesentation. They did a great job with the LINEOUT on this device. Guitars bold, sharp, strong, not earache forming. More than bearable. Excellent pairing.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > Bravo): Victor HP-FX500: More character to the bass... Hum and Strum is very nice. Nicely crashing electric guitar. Vocals are stronger and more forward. Very lively pairing.



Q10:

1. Fischerspooner : #1 : "Emerge"
(Electronic; electro sub-genre)

* UNAMPED (HP-Out): Victor HP-FX500: Deep & Smooth tonal elongation. Vocals more forward. Smoother, with sharper treble. Analytical yet enjoyable... Bass breathes well, treble not painful sharp. Mids are more present than on the s:flo2.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > D10): Victor HP-FX500: Strong, balanced tonalities. Most even rendition of the three setups. Orchestration more to the fore, with vocals staged back towards the orchestration. Nice presentation all in all.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > Bravo): Victor HP-FX500: Bulging bass with vivid vibration. Hard Hitting mids & mid treble... Vocals grab you. Sharp yet non-annoying treble evoking a sense of crispness against a lush bassy backdrop.


2. Neneh Cherry: Buffalo Stance : "Buffalo Stance"
(R&B; Hip-House sub-genre)

* UNAMPED (HP-Out): Victor HP-FX500: Deep smooth subdued presentation. Vocals large. Airy. Instruments take a backstage to treble & vocals. Relaxing tone to the song's rendition on this combo.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > D10): Victor HP-FX500: Subdued presentation still, yet Orchestration moves up toward singer & is more vibrant that when unamped. Nice balanced scale. Good synergy in this setup.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > Bravo): Victor HP-FX500: Sharper scratching on records. Meatier vocals. Clean presentation. Midbassey synthesizer sounds best here. Song has bouncier character in this pairing.


3. Stabbing Westward: Wither, Blister, Burn & Peel : "What Do I Have To Do"
(Rock; Industrial sub-genre):

* UNAMPED (HP-Out): Victor HP-FX500: Bass very smooth and deep. smooth, elongated treble range. Silky. That's how I'd state the presentation of this song with this pairing. Guitars sharp enough but not ruff. Bass on this player = whumpth not BUMP.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > D10): Victor HP-FX500: larger more vibey bass. more depth and character to vocals. Mids have more body than unamped. Overall detail and well-rounded sharpness is up with this setup. More music to sink your teeth into. The player amps very well.

* AMPED (LINEOUT > Bravo): Victor HP-FX500: Soft yet LARGER, BOLDER, Smoother bass. Everything is smooth & round edged (but not "defocused" or "blurry" sounding. Bass strumming is thwumphy. Guitars gain a good deal of detail, power, agressiveness, and sharpness. Vocals gain "attitude". Nice Nice pairing.


Summation:

s:flo2:

Bass is good, deep, and has nice tension during elongated bass notes. Treble is sharp, clear, and vivid. Mids are smooth, present, and palpable (despite the somewhat mid-shy HP-FX500 IEM traits). Everything is well represented and well resolved on this device.


Q10:

Bass ranges from very smooth and deep to bulging. Treble is sharp and silky, not painfully so; and surprisingly analytical for such a smooth sounding device. Mids are somewhat more pleasant subjectively due to the smooth rendition. Vocals tend to take center stage on this device, with the orchestration in a bit more of a surrounding, back-up role.


Final Thoughts:

I find myself sitting with the s:flo2 alot, and despite its somewhat superior quality of rendtion; I find myself grabbing up the Q10 a bunch due to it overall pleasing rendition. There's definitely something special about each of these players. YMMV.
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