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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

I agree with rawster and koonhua. While I have no doubt that the SM3 is as good as many here have said it is, something better will always come along. 

 

and will remind you if you say something else is king...

 

please add them to the top tier.


I have heard the best of the new...the W3, UM3X, IE8, CK10, e-Q7, GR8, FX700, etc. and to my ears the SM3 is a different beast.  Something better may come along, but until then...

 

I have seen many here proclaim just how superior the various IEMs are from the IE8 to the FX500 to the FX700.  And if something does come out that is as good or better than the SM3 for a lower price, that is great for all of us!  But I am going off the here and now.

 

And as of 5/31, the DDM has been in the chart.
 

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I think much disagreement in opinion derives from an unmentioned rift between the 'fun' sounding camp (usually dynamics) and the 'reference' monitor camp (usually BA's).  Too often we get carried away advocating a sound without being clear about what it is we find important in our search.  From what I have read the JH13/16's bring you most of the accuracy and reference quality one could want but can be lacking a bit of fun factor in certain respects.  While dynamics like the DDM, FX700, and MTP's seem to bring out the funsome feel them to be 'colored'.  The EM3's seem to be the best compromise/synergy between the 2 camps from what I have read but I am still waiting to see someone whose opinion I value come forward and make such a supported claim.


IMO, the SM3 just exposes the other IEM's weaknesses.  It is not about fun or analytical sound.  It is about true to the source reproduction that changes with each album and mastering.  It is about no color vs. the same color across the spectrum.  If the song is fun, the SM3 is fun.  It has fantastic dynamics, visceral bass, incredibly accurate treble, liquid mids and can use them at command, not to mention the highest resolution of any IEM I have heard.  Oh, and the best proportion in an IEM I have heard.  But the biggest thing is they are different because they don't have their own signature.  I know it is hard to understand as they are the only IEM I have heard that does that.  If you remember earlier in this thread, I was struggling with figuring out the 'sound signature' of the SM3.  Are they mid forward, or laid back?  Warm and veiled or crystal clear?  Depends on the recording.
 

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@joe: It's too bad you won't be opening up the DDM as I wanted to hear your thoughts on them but oh well. It's your money and your earphone if they have arrived already.


I would rather put that money toward the EM3 Pro.  I am sold on EarSonics products.  I trust searches ears, as we have compared notes many times and agree on pretty much everything.  I am sure they are good and they might be the best bang for the buck at the price point, but to me the absolute best bang for the buck, the best purchase of mine since I have been on head-fi is the SM3.  I don't regret selling my other IEMs and putting the Copper and RE252 back in my ears for the first time in a long time reinforces this for me.

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 My favorite IEM of all the ones that I own (and have owned) is the Radius DDM. How can the DDM not be the best sounding, yet is my favorite IEM? Well it's simple, the DDM gives a unique sound sig (like no other I have heard) that totally agrees with me, and it presents mids in a way that I absolutely adore (especially piano, electric guitar, acoustic guitar and strings). Nothing I've heard yet beats the DDM for me, but other give a better overall music presentation (along with the FX700 I would include the e-Q7).


I'm gonna agree with Eric here and state that the DDM is my favorite headphone out of all of the ones I've heard so far. The way it renders mids in that airy fashion, and its velvety smooth sound is just incredibly nice. Oh and Eric, how long in terms of burn in do you think it takes for the DDM to open up to their full potential? 

 I would say 50 to 100 hours @ idsyncrono_24, but they reveal themselves pretty quickly before then. Once you find the right tips for you and the DDM, the magic happens even quicker. The details are just astonishing to me using the large Monster hybrid foam tips, but I would say 50-100 hours, or a good two weeks of continuous play.
 

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Ah, okay. I'm currently alternating between the medium stock tips and the medium Sony Ex hybrids and find performance between the two to be on a par. Where can I order a set of Monster foam tips? I've searched Ebay and nothing seems to come up. 

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I agree with rawster and koonhua. While I have no doubt that the SM3 is as good as many here have said it is, something better will always come along. So I hope some of you are prepared to put foot in mouth. I've seen many of you do it already from previous IEMs you crowned kings. I have never crowned any IEM king, nor will I. Yes, there are IEMs that I have heard recently that I like better than previous ones, and I didn't think anything could get better than the previous ones, but was proved wrong. So eventually when I do buy the SM3 - if nothing better has come out by then - and it holds up for me like most of you who own it have said, I won't crown it king. I will simply say it's one of the best IEMs I've heard. I might say it's the best IEM I have heard, but still it won't be king for me. Why?

 

Well, look at this way: of all of he IEMs I have ever owned, the FX700 has the best sound I have ever heard (for ME!!!). Read that. The best SOUND I'VE HEARD FOR ME!! But, ironically, the FX700 is not my favorite IEM. My favorite IEM of all the ones that I own (and have owned) is the Radius DDM. How can the DDM not be the best sounding, yet is my favorite IEM? Well it's simple, the DDM gives a unique sound sig (like no other I have heard) that totally agrees with me, and it presents mids in a way that I absolutely adore (especially piano, electric guitar, acoustic guitar and strings). Nothing I've heard yet beats the DDM for me, but other give a better overall music presentation (along with the FX700 I would include the e-Q7).

 

This means that for some of us it goes beyond just getting the most technically clear and transparent earphone you can find. There is also a human enjoyment and fun factor that some look for in these audio devices. That is why if I do buy the SM3, I won't drink the bandwagon kool-aid.  But rest assured I am taking note of all you that who say there's nothing better, and will remind you if you say something else is king (how ironic it would be if a new king comes about that is actually cheaper than the SM3. It's not far from being possible). And people trying to compare the SM3 to the DDM and others when the SM3 should sound better due to its price. Of course many high-end IEMs fall short of its price, so I give the SM3 kudos for seemingly being worth its price. At the same time, I give the DDM kudos for sounding way better than its prices.

 

 

Good post :) I wish they are more exciting IEMs to come out in the near future.
 


Edited by KLS - 6/2/10 at 10:26pm
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Ah, okay. I'm currently alternating between the medium stock tips and the medium Sony Ex hybrids and find performance between the two to be on a par. Where can I order a set of Monster foam tips? I've searched Ebay and nothing seems to come up. 


I don't think they are for sale individually as of yet. You basically have to buy a pair of the the Monster Turbine Pros. I know I know....that sucks! Sometimes if an head-fier has extras (or a size that doesn't fit) they will send them out if someone request it. I'm sorry, but I don't have any spares at this point or I would send you a pair.

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hello rawster buddy, so what made you decide to get the coppers in the end ,i did'nt think they intrested you that much .i hope you enjoy them ,they are a nice sounding phone
 

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

Well something better will eventually come out but at this moment the SM3 are the best earphones according to joe, lucozade, search and probably some others who have heard them along with other top universals. Whether that is true or not I have no clue and don't care to find out since $400 is too much for me. I'm quite happy with my CK10 and e-Q7 and I should be getting my dba 02 on Monday and Coppers late next week. I very much enjoy the 2 universals that I do have (I don't count PL30 since I'm not using it for music but watching videos online so SQ doesn't matter) and I suspect I will enjoy the two that should arrive soon.

 

Either way it seems like the SM3 is very good and the majority of those who bought them enjoy them very much :) Enjoy your SM3 to those who have it and I'll settle for what I have.

 

@joe: It's too bad you won't be opening up the DDM as I wanted to hear your thoughts on them but oh well. It's your money and your earphone if they have arrived already.

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@joe: It's too bad you won't be opening up the DDM as I wanted to hear your thoughts on them but oh well. It's your money and your earphone if they have arrived already.


OK, I caved and opened them in the name of 'research.'  On to burning in.

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Ah, okay. I'm currently alternating between the medium stock tips and the medium Sony Ex hybrids and find performance between the two to be on a par. Where can I order a set of Monster foam tips? I've searched Ebay and nothing seems to come up.

I don't think they are for sale individually as of yet. You basically have to buy a pair of the the Monster Turbine Pros. I know I know....that sucks! Sometimes if an head-fier has extras (or a size that doesn't fit) they will send them out if someone request it. I'm sorry, but I don't have any spares at this point or I would send you a pair.

You could try contacting Monster through their website. I'm uncertain that they'd send spare tips for free, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.



 

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speaking of the RE-252, i think im going to officially, as it were, give to my support as being top tier.  while i cant say i love it and i there is just something about it that i cant put my finger on about it that i dont like.  i do however feel that niggles aside like its stupid shape, acoustically it deserves to be recognised as one of the very best out there. 

 

it is what i feel should be the very definition of perfect neutrality. 

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Average_Joe, I have a question for you about the SRP/Street Price for the Radius DDM IEMs you recently added to your list.

Where did you read about Radius SRP info?

The actual SRP Japan for Radius DDM is ¥15,800 JPY. ($170 + USD)

 

 

 

 

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Glad to know that @tstarn06 is enjoying SM3 :)

 

EDIT: @yello131, where you get the SRP for Radius?


Edited by KLS - 6/4/10 at 1:41am
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@ mark: agreed! But personally, I like them very much ;)

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EDIT: @yello131, where you get the SRP for Radius?

 

KLS,
Looks like Radius HP-TWF11 SRP is  "¥OPEN"  but suggested sale to public  is ¥15,800 

Do you read Japanese?

 

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Yes I read Japanese :)

 

I noticed that in the Radius homepage MSRP is stated as 'open' as well, so I was just curious where you get the MSRP for them.

 

By the way I found out that some online store actually selling them at around 20,000yen...


Edited by KLS - 6/4/10 at 3:59am
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Fantastic thread. Thanks so much!

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