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post #586 of 785
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How can you hear it differently when you haven't compared with the SM3, or do you own the SM3?

post #587 of 785
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

Joe, I didn't fail to get that point. I got it. And I can't speak for Chris, but it didn't come across that he failed to get it also. I understand it is your perspective. I was just giving you mine my friend, and stating that I hear it differently. That's why I keep saying in the above post and some sent last night here - answering your question posed to me - that it is all SUBJECTIVE!! If it's subjective, of course that means it is your opinion and it is my opinion or experience. I haven't discounted anything you have said about the FX700 or SM3. Again, I can't comment on the SM3. I haven't heard it and suspect I won't hear it anytime soon. But I can comment on the FX700, and all I'm saying is that I hear it way differently than you did. Apparently Chris hears it differently than you too. This makes neither of us right or wrong buddy.





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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

How can you hear it differently when you haven't compared with the SM3, or do you own the SM3?

 

Read more closely... he's saying he heard the FX700 differently than you... 

post #588 of 785
Thread Starter 

And if you read more closely, I am saying the FX700 sounds that way only when compared with the SM3, which to my understanding, you and Eric have not heard.  The discussion is not about how the FX700 sounds in a vacuum (meaning by itself), I am comparing it with the SM3.  Please re-read my quote from post #584, which it seems like you both failed to read.

post #589 of 785

Okay Joe, maybe you're making a comparison of the FX700 to the SM3. Point taken. But I'm not, nor was I trying to make that comparision. I clearly said I haven't heard the SM3. I stayed in my realm and stated that TO ME the FX700 has a very wide soundstage. I attempted to make no comparisons to the SM3 or argue against your point. Chris stated the same. So your point or my point or Chris' point doesn't invalidate the other person's point. Joe, I hate to say it (because I like your energy on products you've heard), but you're are getting a little bit too passionate about these SM3s man to the point where you are seeing conflict and disagreement where there is none. I was simply giving my point of view of the FX700. At no point did I say or try to suggest your comparison wasn't wrong. Again, all of this is subjective. These few posts are akin to the three of us saying we ate oranges and we all love the texture and think it's one of the best textured fruits thee is. But then you come along and say you tried a tangerine and in comparing it to the orange, the tangerine is king of textured fruit, and now you realize the orange really doesn't have a great texture. Well Chris and I never tasted that tangerine, but we know the taste and texture of the orange, and to us it's still one of the best tasting textured fruits out there. This doesn't negate your experience with the orange now that you have tasted the tangerine, but it doesn't change our opinion either. Get it now buddy? You're making an argument where there is none...lol. Geez Joe. Ease up man. I have no doubt that the SM3 is king of IEMs for you. That I am clear in knowing...lol. I have no IEM king, just a handful of in-ear monitors I think are great!!

post #590 of 785

Joe, again, I want to speak on these last few posts and reiterate my point - because this is beginning to bug me a bit. Only speaking for myself now, I am not challenging you or going against anything you're saying here. I - like I thought you were doing - am simply exchanging ideas and experiences I have had with the toys I own. I see this as you giving your impressions, and I am giving my impressions. I never saw these posts as back and forth and argumentive banter against anything you have typed. And I haven't taken it as if you were arguing against anything I stated. We're just freely giving our opinions base on our own personal observations. Please let's not go there and take this too seriously once again. In the grand scheme of things, what we are talking about is very insignificant based on other things happening in the world - that's just my opinion too.

 

Cheers buddy

 

EricP

post #591 of 785

Someone should do some thread cleaning! mods?

post #592 of 785

After a read of the last few pages (was interested in the SM3s and DDMs), I second the cleaning motion. Though not sure how hanging out on head-fi all day does anything to ameliorate the bad things happening in the world. Playing that card ("it's only stuff after all") is really not necessary since it is so very obvious.

post #593 of 785

How about you guys/gals just make a better effort of keeping it on topic, friendly and less dramatic?

post #594 of 785

Perhaps we have to wait till more people to own those IEM to say anything. It's really hard to decide which one is the best, as there's no the best (in my opinion), if not there is simply no need for improvements. That's why I didn't answer the question you posted, Joe, as the only way to have the best is to eliminate diversity (here it means all the possible factors that contribute to all the differences in sound as we hear them, and also the diversity of different companies).

 

But that's practically impossible...one plausibly way is to have a vote, and only those people who own those particular IEMs will decide on a wide array of criteria, and then a score can be calculated based on the response of owners in conjunction with the number of owners. To have the best is to differentiate, and to differentiate you will need numbers, but another irony here is that sound is subjective. Here is my take on your question...

post #595 of 785

Hands up if you want to snog the E-Q7.

 

I do.

post #596 of 785
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Originally Posted by slaters70 View Post

After a read of the last few pages (was interested in the SM3s and DDMs), I second the cleaning motion. Though not sure how hanging out on head-fi all day does anything to ameliorate the bad things happening in the world. Playing that card ("it's only stuff after all") is really not necessary since it is so very obvious.


Slaters70 I respect your right to add your two cents, but since you're weren't part of the exchange, who cares about what you really think is necessary or not. I actually like Joe and value his opinion, and I was addressing him in what I felt was needless disagreement between the two of us and a misunderstanding. I think your response - and a couple of others - is just trying to add fuel to a fire that is already put out Mr. Johnny-come-lately. Who are you to suggest how I respond to an issue between me and someone else? I am really a laid back person. I never intentionally ignore anyone, and always try to help anyone who asks for my assistance or opinion (I think you would be amazed at the number of pm's I get), but even a laid back person has his/or her limits. I feel your comments are inappropriate to me. Stay out of it! With that said, if you have the desire to respond to this I can promise you there won't be any back and forth exchanges between you and I from this point on. I'll just accept the fact that you wanted to add your own lame two cents comments, and move forward from here. Happy listening!!

post #597 of 785

Well, I haven't been part of the exchange either, but I think the graceful thing for Joe to do is to invite you two guys to his house for some BBQ and a critical listening session on those SM3's.  Since he'll be paying to fly you out and house you, you can pay for hygienic tips to bring with you, and kick in for the food and booze.

 

I'd love to hear the results.  Actually, I'd love to hear the SM3's and be invited to the party too.

 

- Ed

post #598 of 785
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post




Slaters70 I respect your right to add your two cents, but since you're weren't part of the exchange, who cares about what you really think is necessary or not. I actually like Joe and value his opinion, and I was addressing him in what I felt was needless disagreement between the two of us and a misunderstanding. I think your response - and a couple of others - is just trying to add fuel to a fire that is already put out Mr. Johnny-come-lately. Who are you to suggest how I respond to an issue between me and someone else? I am really a laid back person. I never intentionally ignore anyone, and always try to help anyone who asks for my assistance or opinion (I think you would be amazed at the number of pm's I get), but even a laid back person has his/or her limits. I feel your comments are inappropriate to me. Stay out of it! With that said, if you have the desire to respond to this I can promise you there won't be any back and forth exchanges between you and I from this point on. I'll just accept the fact that you wanted to add your own lame two cents comments, and move forward from here. Happy listening!!

Methinks thou doth protest too much. Get a grip. And no mention of the "others?" Just me? I was just amused by the situation, is all. Sorry you took it so hard.
 


Edited by slaters70 - 5/20/10 at 10:08pm
post #599 of 785

NOW what a most sensible idea @ falis. If Joe does that, I got your ticket @ falis!!

post #600 of 785

Seriously, +1. If Eric got a chance to listen to the SM3s then there would probably be much more agreement upon this thread upon the pros and cons of each IEM. But of course, a universal will always be a universal (or will it?) because there's always customs waiting :)
 

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Originally Posted by falis View Post

Well, I haven't been part of the exchange either, but I think the graceful thing for Joe to do is to invite you two guys to his house for some BBQ and a critical listening session on those SM3's.  Since he'll be paying to fly you out and house you, you can pay for hygienic tips to bring with you, and kick in for the food and booze.

 

I'd love to hear the results.  Actually, I'd love to hear the SM3's and be invited to the party too.

 

- Ed

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