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Very true, but you can make it more simple. Buy/Keep only a pair you like and never visit Head-Fi in the rest of your life That would be the one for you.
 


Oh good idea, but I don't think my earphones are going to out-last me...that's why I come here. Cos' I know that there's always something better...

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I didn't know the top-tier thread was now the "new head-fi appreciation thread" lol.  I am getting used to the new site, like the home page and the PM system, but dislike not being able to use my blackberry OR my iPhone to post on the site.  There go half my posts.

 

And I am thinking I the chart needs to be changed to have one IME in "top-tier" status and the rest in "near top-tier" status.  I figure most people come here to find the best reproduction of music and see what their options are.  IMO as well as a few others I know and that are on here agree the the SM3 (or other EarSonics IMEs) have the most accurate music reproduction of any IEM.  What I am hearing the others just don't do, and I have experience with most IEMs on the list. 

 

I like listening live music, regardless of what it is (well, maybe listening TSOL while trying to relax isn't a great match).  If there is a lobby piano player, band in a coffee shop, etc. I enjoy having the music.  But I wouldn't listen to the same music through my other IEMs, even though I like it.  I do have stuff I would just skip when it came up on random play most of the time and even created a "favorite" music playlist.  Well, that is no more as the SM3 recreates the presentation in a much more accurate way that brings the enjoyment of the "live" performance to me!  That is my reasoning.

 

There will probably be an uproar from people that have not heard the SM3, but please share your thoughts.


Was it a stir, or an uproar?  Yes, I am implying the SM3 is the "best" technically out of the IEMs I have heard.  Sure, there are many other sound signatures, and some, or even many people will prefer those.  But technically (meaning accuracy of sound), to my ears, the SM3 is better than the rest!  Let the comments fly...
 

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well in that case congrats on finding the iem for you. The search to stop looking for universal iem's is truly something here :) That's the hard part to find here


It was fun while it lasted, but not as fun as finally finding the one that seems to do what I have been looking for!
 

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This is a very interesting statement. I've always thought that the presence of what we as headfiers like to call a (distinct) "sound signature" is the antithesis of transparency and realism. Two attributes, with which you've indicated the SM3 to perform remarkably well in. If this is the case then there's a good chance I'll enjoy these IEMs as those are some of the qualities I absolutely relish when listening to stax systems.

 

I think you've done a great job describing these IEMs and I enjoyed reading the various comparisons with different IEMs. If I were you though, I'll refrain from saying that they're the best. This is something that both you and I did of the IE8, and in retrospect I question the fruitfulness of such assertions. The word "best" should not exist in the audio world. (better exists though haha). There's always going to be the next best thing. I shall continue to read this thread with great interest albeit with a more skeptical and circumspect mindset. I have to be a lot more frugal than I used to haha.


Thank you.  And I don't recall saying they are the best.  That is such an absolute statement.  The best for me, or better than anything I have heard.  Or best between two specific IEMs (with sound signature notwithstanding).
 

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Very true, but you can make it more simple. Buy/Keep only a pair you like and never visit Head-Fi in the rest of your life That would be the one for you.


We shall see just how long the SM3s reign supreme for me.  I firmly believe it will be a long time because of the EarSonics house sound.  They have raised my bar, and it will be interesting to see what, if any future offerings compare (if I am motivated to actually try them).

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Why aren't Phonak Audeo PFEs on this chart?


Because while they are good for the price, they don't do as much right as what is on the chart.  Maybe in an "almost top-tier," but then a lot could go in that category.
 

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Oh good idea, but I don't think my earphones are going to out-last me...that's why I come here. Cos' I know that there's always something better...


EM3 Pro?

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Edited by KLS - 5/12/10 at 6:29am
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Ah, but I read it. Apparently I visit this forum more than 0.00012Hz, perhaps 100 times of that. I am always in front of my computer browsing internet   

 

Are you a biology teacher, by any chance? Well, I can still live with the FX, not that lacking the SM3 will kill me. But what I need now is more isolation, and more comfort, and a very neutral sound. To me, FX is more of like psyched up listening. Till more reviews come out, I shall refrain myself from getting it, so I won't regret the purchase.

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Ah, but I read it. Apparently I visit this forum more than 0.00012Hz, perhaps 100 times of that. I am always in front of my computer browsing internet   

 

Are you a biology teacher, by any chance? Well, I can still live with the FX, not that lacking the SM3 will kill me. But what I need now is more isolation, and more comfort, and a very neutral sound. To me, FX is more of like psyched up listening. Till more reviews come out, I shall refrain myself from getting it, so I won't regret the purchase.


I believe you are some 0.12Hz

 

I am a physics student...I wrote the previous post when I was doing some quantum physics in the library, and I couldn't even remember what was the intention I wrote that post...So I deleted.

 

I just want to say some frequent lurkers in Head-Fi is more than want to get replacements for their broken phones, and if you read my previous post I hope you know what I mean. And both of us is a part of them xD


Edited by KLS - 5/12/10 at 8:23am
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hmmm. which of these IEM should i go for if i am a bass head disliking harshness in the treble frequency?

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IE8 is very smooth and non-fatiguing, along with having lots of bass. I cannot stand harsh sounding phones, and I must say that to my ear, IE8 are smooth from bottom to top.

But there are many other alternatives.

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OK, so my discussion topic of moving the SM3 to the sole top-tier thread met a lot of opposition mostly from non-owners.

 

And there has been much talk about people's preference.  It really does come down to preference.  When I had the IE8, I loved their soundstage width.  Sure, the rest isn't all that bad, but the soundstage width kept me loyal even though it wasn't my favorite sound signature.  And I have heard many, many top-tier IEMs.

 

I posted this in the SM3 thread, but I will post it again here...the other top-tier IEMs impart their sound signature on the sound.  That makes some music sound better than others IMO.  While there are less flaws in the top-tier IEMs, they are still what they are, designed to have a certain sound signature.

 

Enter the Chameleon, the SM3.  The SM3 allows the music to decide the sound signature.  I am listening to trance right now from the headphone out of my Audinst HUD-MX1 (still stock op amp) and these are not mid forward.  They have an extremely wide space with decent front-to-back space.  Acoustic music has more front-to-back, but these can be wide.  As I said before, the mic location dictates (or how it is mixed) how I hear these things.  The resolution is better than any other IEM I have heard, and yes, that includes the FX700 with medium tips inserted deeply.  Better than the e-Q7.  Better than the GR8, CK10, etc.  Booming, powerful bass when the song has it, amazing clarity, again when the song has it, etc.  The SM3 is the Chameleon!

 

As another member and I just discussed in PM, these are special and have no real sound signature.  That is true audiophile IMO.

 

Is everyone going to like it?  Hell no.  Why?  On random play, my songs vary greatly.  I listen to trance (all kinds), rock, easy listening, classical, classic rock, rap, R&B, pop, industrial, metal (all kinds), and so much more.  I can have one song that makes the SM3 sound mid-forward, then the next song will come on and be laid back.  One song will be warm and have a slight veil, the next song clear as day.  A song will sound like crap because of poor mastering, the next will have details I didn't even know existed in the song (and technically, it is the same with the poorly mastered songs, as the SM3 presents what is in the music whereas others hide it).  While some sound signatures are nice, all the other top-tier IEMs left me wanting something more.  If you listen to a few genres, maybe you can spend less and find your IEM, but for those of you that know, I have sold most of my stable and haven't sold the rest due to time restrictions.  They get NO ear time!

 

Of course, I use the best source I can most of the time.  My primary two are the 5.5g LOD (with film caps) to the Rx or Arrow, and HUD-MX1 via HPO or to an amp.  The USB-DAC-Cable that I modded with film output caps is also not all that bad and extremely portable   But the SM3 doesn't sound all that bad from the Fuze HPO (and sounds great from the LOD, but I prefer the iPod capacity) or my iPhone, but lacks the ultimate detail of the others.  I think when you use a Fuze HPO or a iPhone HPO for the SM3, you are not using the potential you have.  Although I know there are better sources than what I have, and it makes me wonder how much better it can get!

 

So, if you are still with me, owners, what is your take?  Non-owners (and owners alike), what would it take, if anything to have an IEM separate from the pack of the other top-tier IEMs?

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Enter the Chameleon, the SM3.  The SM3 allows the music to decide the sound signature.  I am listening to trance right now from the headphone out of my Audinst HUD-MX1 (still stock op amp) and these are not mid forward.  They have an extremely wide space with decent front-to-back space.  Acoustic music has more front-to-back, but these can be wide.  As I said before, the mic location dictates (or how it is mixed) how I hear these things.  The resolution is better than any other IEM I have heard, and yes, that includes the FX700 with medium tips inserted deeply.  Better than the e-Q7.  Better than the GR8, CK10, etc.  Booming, powerful bass when the song has it, amazing clarity, again when the song has it, etc.  The SM3 is the Chameleon!

 

As another member and I just discussed in PM, these are special and have no real sound signature.  That is true audiophile IMO.

 

So, if you are still with me, owners, what is your take?  Non-owners (and owners alike), what would it take, if anything to have an IEM separate from the pack of the other top-tier IEMs?


From your desription, and owning the vast majority of the top tier phones, I'm going to have to say that what many SM3 owners are saying about them, is not present in any other universal iem.

I don't own them yet, but it looks like that's going to have to change. I have heard speakers display these qualities, but never an iem. So...I'm forced to support the SM3 as the lone ranger at the top of the heap. I can think of a few that come close, but.....no cigar. The rest all to some degree impose a sonic influence on the signal.
 


Edited by the search never ends - 5/20/10 at 3:54am
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@ Joe, perhaps you should change the thread topic of the SM3 thread to: "SM3 the ultimate Chameleon!" 

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From your desription, and owning the vast majority of the top tier phones, I'm going to have to say that what many SM3 owners are saying about them, is not present in any other universal iem.

I don't own them yet, but it looks like that's going to have to change. I have heard speakers display these qualities, but never an iem. So...I'm forced to support the SM3 as the lone ranger at the top of the heap. I can think of a few that come close, but.....no cigar. The rest all to some degree impose a sonic influence on the signal.
 

Well buddy search, you now also have a dynamic earphone, Radius DDM, that possess a similar quality of letting the music dictate the soundstage. What wonderful times we live in.
 

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^^^^^^ WISE AZZ..............

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^^^^^^ WISE AZZ..............


LOL

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@ Joe, perhaps you should change the thread topic of the SM3 thread to: "SM3 the ultimate Chameleon!" 


Too bad I can't, as there is no way to change thread titles.  And what, didn't make it to the end of my post to find the question
 

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Well buddy search, you now also have a dynamic earphone, Radius DDM, that possess a similar quality of letting the music dictate the soundstage. What wonderful times we live in.
 


Yes, what wonderful times, I will be able to pit the DDM against the SM3.  Heck, if the DDM can do what the SM3 can (to the extent it can), that will truly be amazing.

 

And it looks like EricP didn't see the question either. 


Edited by average_joe - 5/20/10 at 4:54am
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Just saw it @ Joe. Sorry. I don't know what it would take. I have to  ponder that question. I just think there a lot of very good IEMs out here now that do something a little differently than any other earphone. Then I think there are a an elite few that have their very own strong characteristics. This is what I get when I read about the SM3, I think this is true with the e-Q7, and is definitely true with the DDM. What I mean by this, nothing really sounded like the e-Q7 for awhile when it came out, and not much really sounds like it now. I imagine this is true about the SM3 from what I've read. Well, I can vouch for the DDM and state it's doing some things I've haven't heard in an IEM before. So I think we first need to establish some parameters such as that. But I don't think there will ever truly be one king in the universal IEM world. I could be wrong too. Time will tell.

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