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post #496 of 785
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Originally Posted by Young Spade View Post
IMO you should make sure that they are that much better than the e-Q7s. After reading tons of comparisons from you and other members about the Ortofons/UM3Xs and using the 3Xs first hand, I can see that these phones would be damn hard to beat, although of course there's always better.
My only real problem with the e-Q7 is the fit. It's just horrible for when I am moving around. The IEMs keep on sliding out of my ears. Also, because they are so large, I have to use the largest tips with which the suction is too strong and the sound often becomes muffled either in one ear or both at the same time. Very annoying. I know I can just get custom tips for the e-Q7, but then they will probably stick out of the ears too much. I want to give these SM3s a try because if they sound at least as good as the e-Q7 but are much easier to fit, then they will be perfect for my needs.
post #497 of 785
ah, upgradeitis. you do not hold me in your grip any more.
post #498 of 785
And then of course I can always go back to the e-Q7 or RE0 or go for RE252 instead if SM3 will turn out to be just another FOTM.
post #499 of 785
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post
My only real problem with the e-Q7 is the fit. It's just horrible for when I am moving around. The IEMs keep on sliding out of my ears. Also, because they are so large, I have to use the largest tips with which the suction is too strong and the sound often becomes muffled either in one ear or both at the same time. Very annoying. I know I can just get custom tips for the e-Q7, but then they will probably stick out of the ears too much. I want to give these SM3s a try because if they sound at least as good as the e-Q7 but are much easier to fit, then they will be perfect for my needs.
Oh wow, that sucks man, I'm sorry. I had no idea you had that much trouble with them :/
Yea I would have to agree now, if I were in the same situation I'd really think about getting the SM3s since they're getting great reviews right now.

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And then of course I can always go back to the e-Q7 or RE0 or go for RE252 instead if SM3 will turn out to be just another FOTM.
Absolutely But yea if you do get them (which in a way I'm hoping you are) I'm looking forward to your review/thoughts on the phone
post #500 of 785
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And then of course I can always go back to the e-Q7 or RE0 or go for RE252 instead if SM3 will turn out to be just another FOTM.
Don't regret saying this
post #501 of 785
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Originally Posted by Young Spade View Post
Yea I would have to agree now, if I were in the same situation I'd really think about getting the SM3s since they're getting great reviews right now.
When I first bought a pair of SM3, there was nothing about them in this forum (I don't know french).

If you read french then maybe you know what is happening in the french forum, but currently within Head-Fi, I have yet to see any detailed review other than @average_joe's impressions and brief comparison, @MayaTlab's good work of translating information from french forums, and of course @shigzeo's little review. What I want to say is, as for now, they are only two valid little reviews from two head-fiers. So you buy things based on two good reviews

That being said, I believe @average_joe's ears, he has tried many IEMs and spend a lot of time in the top-tier IEMs thread. An experienced head-fier saying he is going to sell everything but to keep his only SM3, then you know how good the product is, or how the head-fier loves his pair of SM3. I am a owner SM3 too, what I can say is, I don't feel any urge to buy new IEMs, for now Though I am looking for better DAP for my SM3.
post #502 of 785
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post
Man, I really want to get these, but sadly I will have to sell my e-Q7, AMP3, MiniBox E+ and RE0 to be able to afford them. But if it is worth it, I sure don't mind. How do the SM3s perform unamped?
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lol I must be going crazy. I am selling pretty much all my audio gear right now to fund these SM3s. My RE0 is gone. MiniBox E+ is next on the list. I really hope I am not making a big mistake...
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And then of course I can always go back to the e-Q7 or RE0 or go for RE252 instead if SM3 will turn out to be just another FOTM.
Wow, talk about putting yourself on a ledge and then talking yourself down.

So, what makes an IEM a FOTM? Is a FOTM Something new and exciting that has it's faults overlooked, but really isn't 'better' than what is out there, just different? The SM3 isn't just different, but better. Better because it doesn't have any true weaknesses compared to the other IEMs I currently own.

Before the SM3, I was confused. The FX700, e-Q7, GR8, CK10, CK90, Copper, IE8, and RE252 were all very good, but had tradeoffs. I would switch to hear a different strength. No more! All my A/Bing provides the same conclusion: the SM3 is more involving and enjoyable to me, not to mention more realistic and just better.

Looks like you are on your way to owning the SM3, which I think is a smart move. Actually, brilliant! I am looking forward to your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by KLS View Post
When I first bought a pair of SM3, there was nothing about them in this forum (I don't know french).

If you read french then maybe you know what is happening in the french forum, but currently within Head-Fi, I have yet to see any detailed review other than @average_joe's impressions and brief comparison, @MayaTlab's good work of translating information from french forums, and of course @shigzeo's little review. What I want to say is, as for now, they are only two valid little reviews from two head-fiers. So you buy things based on two good reviews

That being said, I believe @average_joe's ears, he has tried many IEMs and spend a lot of time in the top-tier IEMs thread. An experienced head-fier saying he is going to sell everything but to keep his only SM3, then you know how good the product is, or how the head-fier loves his pair of SM3. I am a owner SM3 too, what I can say is, I don't feel any urge to buy new IEMs, for now Though I am looking for better DAP for my SM3.
I talked to shigzeo offline on this and was expecting them to be good, but not this good.
post #503 of 785
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post
I talked to shigzeo offline on this and was expecting them to be good, but not this good.
Somehow I have a sense that @shigzeo's upcoming review on them is going to be 'harsh'

You and @shigzeo are both respectful head-fiers to me. I see that you like the sound of IE8, so do I, but @shigzeo doesn't. What I am trying to say is, we seem to have similarities in sound signature preference, we both like IE8 and SM3.

To be honest, of all @shigzeo's reviews on phones (I only read those reviews I have interest), the Radius review is the only one I can feel @shigzeo's satisfaction and 'happy' within the text. That's the reason I am very interested in the Radius.
post #504 of 785
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Originally Posted by KLS View Post
Somehow I have a sense that @shigzeo's upcoming review on them is going to be 'harsh'

You and @shigzeo are both respectful head-fiers to me. I see that you like the sound of IE8, so do I, but @shigzeo doesn't. What I am trying to say is, we seem to have similarities in sound signature preference, we both like IE8 and SM3.

To be honest, of all @shigzeo's reviews on phones (I only read those reviews I have interest), the Radius review is the only one I can feel @shigzeo's satisfaction and 'happy' within the text. That's the reason I am very interested in the Radius.
We shall see what he has to say, but from what I gather, he really likes the SM3. Although I know he also really likes the Radius.
post #505 of 785
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post
Man, I really want to get these, but sadly I will have to sell my e-Q7, AMP3, MiniBox E+ and RE0 to be able to afford them. But if it is worth it, I sure don't mind. How do the SM3s perform unamped?
I hope you know that once you've started an appreciation thread for an IEM, you're not entitled to sell it any more?

On a more serious note, like the sadly banned iponderous (anyone else here missing his sharp-tongued remarks?), I tend to attach most weight to first impressions and can't help but become increasingly sceptic, once the FOTM infection starts to spread. According to that I've concluded that the SM3 are undoubtedly great phones, but also that they can appear veiled and lacking treble with more forward mids as compared to the FX700, soundstaging/positioning greatly dependent from wherever the mics were placed and sometimes sounding like you were on stage with the band.

Now frankly, all of this doesn't attract me too much, but fate has decided that I will have the opportunity to hear them anyway, since a friend of mine is getting them. Until then I reserve the right to remain sceptic...
post #506 of 785
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
I hope you know that once you've started an appreciation thread for an IEM, you're not entitled to sell it any more?

On a more serious note, like the sadly banned iponderous (anyone else here missing his sharp-tongued remarks?), I tend to attach most weight to first impressions and can't help but become increasingly sceptic, once the FOTM infection starts to spread. According to that I've concluded that the SM3 are undoubtedly great phones, but also that they can appear veiled and lacking treble with more forward mids as compared to the FX700, soundstaging/positioning greatly dependent from wherever the mics were placed and sometimes sounding like you were on stage with the band.

Now frankly, all of this doesn't attract me too much, but fate has decided that I will have the opportunity to hear them anyway, since a friend of mine is getting them. Until then I reserve the right to remain sceptic...
Just want to say: x2

Great to know that you are having a chance to try them. Would like to know how you think about them.
post #507 of 785
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
I hope you know that once you've started an appreciation thread for an IEM, you're not entitled to sell it any more?

On a more serious note, like the sadly banned iponderous (anyone else here missing his sharp-tongued remarks?), I tend to attach most weight to first impressions and can't help but become increasingly sceptic, once the FOTM infection starts to spread. According to that I've concluded that the SM3 are undoubtedly great phones, but also that they can appear veiled and lacking treble with more forward mids as compared to the FX700, soundstaging/positioning greatly dependent from wherever the mics were placed and sometimes sounding like you were on stage with the band.

Now frankly, all of this doesn't attract me too much, but fate has decided that I will have the opportunity to hear them anyway, since a friend of mine is getting them. Until then I reserve the right to remain sceptic...
All I have to say is I will be surprised if you don't think these are better than the rest of your stable of IEMs. I am listening to Jason Mraz's Beautiful Mess: Live On Earth and it is simply stunning with the SM3. Nice with the others, but just not the same. A/Bing is the true test for me, check out what I am selling after A/Bing...

And x3 on iponderous
post #508 of 785
I'm with James. Nothing I've read about the SM3 has made me go "wow, I really need to hear these or buy these IEMs." Like, the timbre discussed in the FX700 and natural soundness that they allegedly possessed grabbed my attention, and boy! I am glad it did! But nothing seems really thrilling about the SM3 to me, although I am glad some of my fellow head-fiers are enjoying them. Now, the FX700 has really opened up for me with about 60 hours of burn in, and I'm blown away. The soundstage is ever wider and if not at that of the IE8, it's knocking at the door. But then there are some micro details beginning to push all that glorious natural sound. To make, it will take a lot for the Radius to live up to the FX700, but in a few days time will review if they come anywhere near. The FX700 - to me - is a mixture of how I dreamed the IE8, TF10 and Es530 would sound as one cohesive IEM. Don't get me wrong, I still love the Miles Davis, but a totally different sound signature and I love it for different reasons.
post #509 of 785
^ +1.
post #510 of 785
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
(anyone else here missing his sharp-tongued remarks?)
not really,I hated his sarcastic tone and arguing with everyone and using fancy words that I had to open the dictionary to understand what it means.
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