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post #451 of 785
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
Joe, thanks for your detailed effort to bring light into this matter, though I must admit you've kind of lost me along the way.

I can relate to soozieq's interpretation, but to my ears your explanation sounds like you're mixing up sound signature (e.g. forwardness of a frequency range) and soundstaging/positioning (e.g. closeness to the stage). There are of course some dependences between these aspects, but IMO they are basically different sonic parameters.

Bottom line, maybe I'd have to hear the SM3 for myself to get a better understanding of what you mean, because they seem to have such an unusual presentation...
I am still waiting for my FX-700 to arrive, and by Joe's impression, this SM3 seems to be very interesting indeed, with its uncanny imaging ability...Must...resist
post #452 of 785
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
Bottom line, maybe I'd have to hear the SM3 for myself to get a better understanding of what you mean, because they seem to have such an unusual presentation...
I wouldn't use the word unusual, but I would use the word correct. To me the SM3 sounds more like live and everything else sound more like a reproduction.

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Originally Posted by koonhua90 View Post
I am still waiting for my FX-700 to arrive, and by Joe's impression, this SM3 seems to be very interesting indeed, with its uncanny imaging ability...Must...resist
I don't know what to say. I am probably going to sell just about every IEM I have except the SM3 after I have more time to evaluate them all. If I just pick up any of my other top-tier IEMs, they are great, but that added space that gives me more realism isn't there. But I can still enjoy them.
post #453 of 785
Funny @ Joe, but I was just thinking the same thing about the FX700. Although some other IEMs give better micro details (and I don't mean by any great margins), to me the FX700 sounds like hearing live music in a room with great acoustics! Now, the only other IEM I've heard that comes close to that live sound (but way different sound sig.) is the Orto. I don't think I've heard IEM that makes the trap drum and percussion sound anymore liver than the Orto. The Miles Davis, on the other hand, is a bit warmish (not veiled) with lots of micro details. For example, with the FX700 treble you hear a lot of clarity and transparency - good extension too - in cymbals being played, but I hear more delicate tapping and prodding and conjoling of the cymbals on the Miles Davis, yet, without the same transparency. I just haven't read anything that makes me excited about the SM3. The Fischer Audio DBA-002 seems more interesting to me if I was to purchase an armature driver IEM again.
post #454 of 785
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@ Eric, that is a $275 decision in your wallets favor! Plus you have yourself a nice collection of IEMs that you seem happy with. I do know 2 people that has both the SM3 and DBA on order, so I am looking forward to their thoughts. I don't have any interest in the DBA at this point, though
post #455 of 785
Wrong post...
post #456 of 785
The UM3X is my favorite, with the TF10 not far behind it (I think the UM3X's ergonomics trumps that of the TF10). The UM3X is warm, perhaps a little too much so on some tracks, but otherwise quite natural, more balanced than the W3, but more engaging than the SE530. If it rolls off the highs a little too much, you can blame it on the single-bore design and the use of the white filter, which can be removed to give the highs more presence and sparkle. To my ears, the UM3X is the best choice from among the 530, the TF10, the ER4P/S, the W3 and the PFE (which was never mentioned on this list).
post #457 of 785
^I would have to agree. The first thing I took note of was the amazing comfort when coming from Triple.Fi 10s. Instead of 2 hours I started to get 5-6 hours (with comly's) of comfort per session. There are many times when I can't tell that they're in my ears.
post #458 of 785
Well what iem doesn't trump the TF10 in ergonomics really? They are by far the king of uncomfortable iem imo.
post #459 of 785
^^you've not tried the Radius HP-TWF11R have you? I've tried both and I'd take the Triples over it any day of the week, and even Sundays.
post #460 of 785
I think you already know the answer to that question :P The triples are still king for me until I try something worse. They were just too big for me.
post #461 of 785
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Updated a bunch of things in the chart, please check it out (should show 5/01/10 at the top, if not please refresh as you are looking at a cached version). I still need to update more, but don't have the time right now.

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Originally Posted by h1a8 View Post
I really like forward mids. I wonder why people don't. These make the best mids as long as it doesn't get harsh (stays liquid) and has decent bass and treble to go with it.

Can anyone comment about the mids of the se530 vs. sm3 vs. MD?
I'm pretty sure the se530's mids are more forward but are they better than the other two mids? The sm3 sounds very interesting right now.
If you like forward mids, maybe the CK100 is for you! While I don't have the SE530, the MD is consistently a little more mid forward than the SM3, but the SM3 adjusts to each recording quite well. And the SM3 is superior to the MD in every way IMO. Like listening to speakers vs. being at a live show is all I can say.

@shigzeo, seems like the Radius will be kept out of the top-tier list for ergonomics, if nothing else! But thanks for sharing.
post #462 of 785
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Oh, and I have been comparing the SM3 to others in short spurts (all I can stand of the others ) and will post my thoughts when time permits.
post #463 of 785
This thread has been a massive help and hindrance to me haha, but I'm glad it's here to look at, thank you.

I want to upgrade from some old Super.Fi Pro 5's to a top-tier universal for the S:Flo2 I just received, and this thread has both provided me with answers as to what's generally agreed to be high-end, but at the same time totally spoilt me for choice! What to get, what to get....
post #464 of 785
oh boy! I'm confused too, about getting the fx-700 or the sm3. My wallet can only afford one right now. I never heard of an armature iem with great soundstage. Average Joe would you say the sm3 are as fun as the fx-700, while still being clear? Also on a scale of 1-5 how would you rank the sm3's bass depth in comparison to the fx-700?
post #465 of 785
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@ Somnambulist: Sorry for the hindrance, happy to be of help!

@ h1a8: They both have different sound signatures and you will hear things differently with both, for the most part. I find the SM3's combination of balance, smoothness, 3D presentation with amazing width, detail, bass power, dynamics, and true to the recording presentation to make most of my music extremely involving and fun. Of course there are some tracks that are boring and therefore are boring on the SM3, but I now skip those

Speaking of an armature with a great soundstage, I too have been looking for IE8 soundstage width but a better overall presentation. I thought that is you had the soundstage width, you would in turn lose the depth. The GR8 actually has a pretty large soundstage when matched with a good source (DAC and amp that can convey the info), and the CK10 has a great 3D presentation. But I was truly amazed, and am now extraordinarily happy that the SM3 has both the width and the depth/height I have been looking for. Plus, the bass isn't light by any means, it is powerful and reverberant, but still fast and controlled. Faster and more controlled than the FX700. More reverberant than the other BA's I own.

It does have a very full sound, and compared to others such as the CK10, e-Q7, and even the FX700 to an extent. But the integration across the spectrum is also amazing. When I got the FX700, I thought it was extremely good, but as James444 had said, the e-Q7 also was a keeper because it is very different and does some things better than the FX700. The SM3 has made them both expendable to me. I will be either selling my FX700 soon or loaning it out. But 2 of the 3 people I would loan it to have already said no, and all three have the SM3 on order.

I am thinking I want to either get another SM3 as a backup or get an EM3Pro.

My final thought is the FX700 is an exceptional IEM, very detailed, awesome bass, and great soundstage width. I would say the best low end of any IEM I have heard save 1. And the best for any dynamic. You already know what I think of the SM3
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