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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
Interesting thoughts on the SM3 @ average_joe, although I definitely WON'T BE (and I mean it!) down that road until perhaps a few years when the SM4 comes out and they drop in price significantly.
Knowing Earsonics' policy, I wouldn't expect the SM4 any time soon (so you're right talking about "years" ). They're still selling their four years old EM3-pro which is a two-way three drivers custom (yet good enough to compete with the JH13). So for them having a three way IEM is a revolution.

I would rather expect them to renew their top end, but even this seems to be a quite distant future. Usually, Frank Lopez tends to wait until he can make a significant improvement over the current line-up to release it.
post #407 of 785
After like 2 weeks or so I've finally spent the entire day with the CK10's again Oh boy the CK10 definitely wasn't happy with me the last 2 weeks spending all this time with other iem's :P Funny enough my newest purchase was a dap which was supposed to replace my e260 as my backup dap or bedtime dap. It kinda has good synergy with the CK10. Cymbal reproduction is great but at the cost of added sibilance lol. I just can't get it all right but I can handle some sibilance but I like my CK10 even better now Move over e-Q7, CK10 is back!
post #408 of 785
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post
Move over e-Q7, CK10 is back!
they were never gone, my friend...
post #409 of 785
I'd add a couple of things to the Ety row (I certainly think they deserve to be called top-tier). If others agree, I'd say that it is remarkably transparent (probably the most transparent headphones I've heard outside of the HD800 and my 'stats). Second thing is that they could probably use a note on fit - they require an incredibly deep insertion. Not for the faint of heart when it comes to sticking things in your ears.

Edit - I have very little experience with the other headphones on the chart - I spend most of my time with fullsize headphones. I own the Klipsch Image X10, have owned the ER4P and Atrio M5, and I have auditioned the RE252, TF10, W3, UM3X.
post #410 of 785
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I am thinking of doing a comparison of the SM3 with everything else, including the MDs which I just received on loan, but am not motivated right now and have time constraints. I have done some comparing with some IEMs, but the SM3, my Arrow, and my ears don't seem to get along all that well, so I have been using different sources with the SM3 than with my others. I do have a bunch of new sources/amps on the way.

I will post some thoughts in the near future and as well as update the chart.
post #411 of 785
Is there any change in the UE TF10 and Logitech TF10? My old UE TF10 broke and i was wondering if i bought the Logitech version is there any change to it.
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[QUOTE=ericp10;6581982]Interesting thoughts on the SM3 @ average_joe, although I definitely WON'T BE (and I mean it!) down that road until perhaps a few years when the SM4 comes out and they drop in price significantly.

@ericp, ericp buddy, i seem to remember you saying something much to that effect not so long ago about the fx700 than less then 4 days later i read you have ordered them ,so based on your history buddy id say the sm3 will be in the post on its way to you by the end of the week
post #413 of 785
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I sent an email to Logitech with no response. Someone said yes, but there was no backing of their claim.

@lucozade: Funny, we shall see!
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^I suggest giving them a call. You will get a lot more stuff done a lot quicker if you do it over the phone.
post #415 of 785
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Originally Posted by the search never ends View Post
Average Joe........I really think with this level of iem's comfort starts to play as much a ole as sound, since they're all pretty good. And for the record, I too remember when Joe got pretty much nothin but grief for his trouble. It's my opinion that this thread has turned into a team effort, rather than combative one. I've even been listening to my triples more (largely because for me, thay are so comfortable, and fit like a dream) I'm actually enjoying them. A headfier had asked another to compare the orto's to the triples, so I thought, I'd give that a whirl myself......yes, the orto's win, closer than I thought though.
@ search , get those triples out your ears frank ,the ortos are getting jellious
post #416 of 785
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Originally Posted by phandrew View Post
Is there any change in the UE TF10 and Logitech TF10? My old UE TF10 broke and i was wondering if i bought the Logitech version is there any change to it.
topic was discussed here:
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Originally Posted by bada bing View Post
Have both, a 2 year old $300 set and an "Amazon" $99 set. My amazon set has since been custom molded by Fisher, but I spent a few A/B listening sessions before they went off.

The SQ and sound signature is/was identical to my ears. The overall build quality is slightly different. The only difference of real consequence is the cable. Neither cable is what I'd call top notch, but the newer "Amazon" cable is not as nice as the older version. Stiffer, more plasticy, and the 2.5mm jack has been downgraded. None of that has any effect on the sound, but it is a small letdown considering I wasn't enamored with the older cable either. The TF10 is still a worthy (IMO) ~$300ish IEM though so getting it at today's prices isn't bad even with the so-so cable. IMO an Amazon $99 set with an upgrade to westone cable is the IEM deal of the last couple years
post #417 of 785
@joe: there was someone here (think bada bing) who mentioned that he owns a pre logitech and after TF10 and noticed nothing diffferent about them.
post #418 of 785
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post
@joe: there was someone here (think bada bing) who mentioned that he owns a pre logitech and after TF10 and noticed nothing diffferent about them.
One post up man
post #419 of 785
Thread Starter 
OK, so maybe I will do a SM3 comparison vs. some of the others on here seeing as I have received many PMs asking for comparisons between the SM3 and others.

I just got a Audinst HUD-MX1 today as my new DAC and possibly desktop amp. I picked the HUD-MX1 because it is supposed to be pretty neutral so I can let amps decide the coloration. Of course, it has to burn in, but the soundstage has already opened up.

But before I start, I wanted to mention that the SM3 has by far the best isolation of any IEM I have owned. Well, maybe the PFE was similar with foam tips and deep insertion. Speaking of tips, I am currently using Ety Glider tips and have been trying different tips. While I really like the MC triple flange for many reasons, they seem to increase the warmth a little compared to many other tips. But of course, I also just changed sources.

More to come...

Oh, and search, yes, comfort is big with the top-tier, and I really don't have comfort issues with anything to be honest. Sure, some are more comfortable than others, but that is largely tip dependent, at least for me!
post #420 of 785
Thread Starter 
Quick comparison (because I don't have much time tonight) of the SM3 with the FX700...

Used the output from my iPod -> Arrow (which the SM3 now sounds better with since I switched to the Ety tips) and the HUD-MX1.

First, the FX700 has nice bass impact and a nice wide presentation. The mids are filled in compared to the FX500, and the treble has been tamed. But that is a $150 vs. $330 IEM. How about a $330 vs. a $425 IEM?

Both can bring out the bad in bad masters/bitrate songs, but the SM3 is more sensitive to poor recordings.

OK, the FX700, while sounding great, has a leaner sound. Soundstage seems wide, but the SM3 actually exceed the FX700 in width. Then tack on a much better 3D space from the SM3 and it goes from the good presentation of the FX700 to better. For example, Live - Lakini's Juice sounds very different on the two. Presentation of the SM3 is more upfront and around your head while the FX700 is more laid back.

The FX700 has nice detail. Instruments have nice micro-detail, and especially the bass with it's nice natural sounding reverb. It only makes sense though that the SM3 is even more detailed and allows you to easily hear those details since it is more sensitive to poor recordings. I was A/Bing and hearing the clear details of what the FX700 wasn't presenting. The detail is made available IMO due to the better placement within the 3D space, placing everything so well.

To my ears, when going from the SM3 to the FX700, it just doesn't sound 'natural' with acoustic instruments (for example Blues Traveler - Hook). The mids of the SM3 are much fuller and while I don't think the FX700 has recessed mids, when switching to the FX700 they do sound kinda sucked out. And there is a treble emphasis with the FX700 that makes it sound a little off also. The naturalness of the SM3 in comparison with the FX700 is probably due to the FX700 sounding flatter in soundstage depth (and height).

The FX700 bass is awesome. Great impact, reverberation, and detail. Out of time already? Yep...more later!

NOTE: Please don't read this as the FX700 being bad, it is not and I do like the FX700. Also, I have not yet come to a conclusion!
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