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post #346 of 785
How can the FX700 be obtained in the US?
post #347 of 785
I don't think you can get them yet unless you want it forwarded. It would probably cost around 320 or so.
post #348 of 785
I almost feel like someone should nominate the HJE900s, as I've heard quite a few say they are better than some of the phones here, such as the IE8, FX500, ER4S, and TF10. But I guess they're just too cheap to be considered top-tier. But I wouldn't know, as they are my most expensive headphones anyways.
post #349 of 785
^ There has been a discussion about what qualifies an IEM for top tier. If I remember correctly, a few said that it has to do a least one thing better than all others. By that standard the HJE900 fails to qualify IMO. On the other hand it does nothing much worse than my other top tier IEMs. So I'm still undecided. Anyway, low price shouldn't be a handicap, that would be ridiculous.
post #350 of 785
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^ There has been a discussion about what qualifies an IEM for top tier. If I remember correctly, a few said that it has to do a least one thing better than all others. By that standard the HJE900 fails to qualify IMO. On the other hand it does nothing much worse than my other top tier IEMs. So I'm still undecided. Anyway, low price shouldn't be a handicap, that would be ridiculous.
That's what I thought as well, though I stopped following the thread consistently a few days ago. Thing is, there are many headphones on the first post that aren't listed as doing anything better than any other headphone(which in itself is rather subjective, but lines have to be drawn), which is why I offered them up.

What about umm, being most jewel like? Cubic Zirconium yo.
post #351 of 785
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What about umm, being most jewel like? Cubic Zirconium yo.
That's it! Bingo!
post #352 of 785
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I don't think you can get them yet unless you want it forwarded. It would probably cost around 320 or so.
Thanks bro. Anothe headier I talk to said the same thing, kind of a shame.
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Thread Starter 
I will be updating the chart later today. I changed the Top-Tier after modding section to near-top-tier and/or top-tier after modding. The CK90Pro, FX500, and HJE900 are in that category. I also filled in some more info in the boxes and added a few people and updated some gear that people own.

@ james...yes, I wanted top-tier to be IEMs that did things better than any other, but also the ones that don't have any major weaknesses. However, there is a lot of controversy, and I do not know anyone that has heard everything on the list. While I would love to hear everything on the list for an extended period of time, many things are keeping me from that

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Average Joe, I remember you saying you heard the Miles Davis briefly and didn't really care for them. If you haven't already, I would suggest giving them an more extensive listen. Whereas I do love the Copper, I think the MDs are right up there with the e-Q7 in terms of pure sound enjoyment, although their sound signature of somewhat different. I 've been quoted in this forum in stating that the e-Q7 has the best reproduction of strings, well the MDs is a worthy opponent. I would have them at a virtual tie, except the MDs put much more weight and depth to the strings. It almost brings tears to my eyes when I hear the precision of reproduced sound. Give them a go again @ Joe buddy.
I heard them when they were fresh out of a box, so I understand why they wouldn't sound their best. And then I had the MC rep tell me they are not meant to compete in SQ with the Copper and Gold. But hearing how good the Copper can sound, and with what people I trust have been saying about the MD, I am sure they are excellent. I have to see what I want to spend money on, however I am thinking I would rather get something from EarSonic.

As far as the GR8 vs. e-Q7...I have my thoughts, but want to preference it by stating that there is something wrong with it as when I run a frequency sweep, the balance is shifted to the left at lower frequencies and to the right at some higher frequencies, so I am not sure if my comparison would be the same vs. a good e-Q7.

Both are easy to fit, but the GR8 is much smaller (pics attached).

Anyways, the e-Q7 has more of a treble emphasis than the GR8, and the GR8 is more laid back with a slightly wider presentation. Both share many of the same qualities, but the GR8 seems to have a little more impact in the bass. Transparency of both is amazing. Now, here is the thing that surprises me (and might be due to the e-Q7 condition), but the e-Q7 sounds a little grainy in the upper mids/treble compared to the GR8.
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post #354 of 785
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post
Anyways, the e-Q7 has more of a treble emphasis than the GR8, and the GR8 is more laid back with a slightly wider presentation. Both share many of the same qualities, but the GR8 seems to have a little more impact in the bass. Transparency of both is amazing. Now, here is the thing that surprises me (and might be due to the e-Q7 condition), but the e-Q7 sounds a little grainy in the upper mids/treble compared to the GR8.
I am pretty sure that it's a fit issue you are having with the e-Q7. I also find the upper mids/low treble a little grainy with smaller tips, but when I switch to larger ones so that the seal is perfect, the graininess pretty much disappears. You need to make sure that the seal is tight.

Regarding GR8 - I wasn't that impressed with it coming from the e-Q7, but then I haven't amped it and I heard it really needs an amp to sound its best. I found the treble really lacking. The upper extension was poor. e-Q7 extends further up with less roll off IMO.
post #355 of 785
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I am pretty sure that it's a fit issue you are having with the e-Q7. I also find the upper mids/low treble a little grainy with smaller tips, but when I switch to larger ones so that the seal is perfect, the graininess pretty much disappears. You need to make sure that the seal is tight.

Regarding GR8 - I wasn't that impressed with it coming from the e-Q7, but then I haven't amped it and I heard it really needs an amp to sound its best. I found the treble really lacking. The upper extension was poor. e-Q7 extends further up with less roll off IMO.
My e-Q7 issues are NOT fit issues. When I swap left-right channels the frequency response anomalies also change. How is that fit? I have spent time trying to figure it out, and can consistently hear it with sine wave sweeps.

I have not had the time to do all the treble extension tests I want, but do think that the treble has extended a little more with burn in. All I know is the e-Q7 is more aggressive in the treble than the GR8, and the GR8 has more bass. The bass could be one of three things (or a combo of the three) which are: seal; sound signature differences; right e-Q7 channel having less bass than the left.

Why don't you send me your e-Q7 so I can A/B
post #356 of 785
I stumbled upon this review while I was surfing the net. When they say 'Swapping between the GR8s and SE530s with the likes of Muse's three-part Exogenesis and there's simply no competition.' now this caught my attention. Does anyone who has extensive listening with the 530s and gr8 agree with this quote? I'm not saying it is not true but if they say something like the 530s edged it I think it is understandable but when they say things like simply no competition one might tend to think that they might be a bit 'biased' towards the 530s. The gr8 can't be that much behind the 530s now can it?
post #357 of 785
^^^^ LOL......It's just a review.... no the GR8 is not "behind" the SE530, unless YOU think it is, every review, impression and opinion are one unique set.


One person may thnk so......and that's how it is.
post #358 of 785
I'll send you mine Joe.......
post #359 of 785
first post and ensuing comments are INCREDIBLY useful!

Thanks
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My e-Q7 issues are NOT fit issues. When I swap left-right channels the frequency response anomalies also change. How is that fit? I have spent time trying to figure it out, and can consistently hear it with sine wave sweeps.

I have not had the time to do all the treble extension tests I want, but do think that the treble has extended a little more with burn in. All I know is the e-Q7 is more aggressive in the treble than the GR8, and the GR8 has more bass. The bass could be one of three things (or a combo of the three) which are: seal; sound signature differences; right e-Q7 channel having less bass than the left.

Why don't you send me your e-Q7 so I can A/B
Sorry, I thought you had these issues with your GR8. Well, your pair is probably faulty then, because I don't hear these problems with my mine. It's true that e-Q7 has more treble than the GR8 - I think it's just better extended though, not really more emphasized. As for bass, I thought they were pretty similar. Are you amping your GR8s?

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I stumbled upon this review while I was surfing the net. When they say 'Swapping between the GR8s and SE530s with the likes of Muse's three-part Exogenesis and there's simply no competition.' now this caught my attention. Does anyone who has extensive listening with the 530s and gr8 agree with this quote? I'm not saying it is not true but if they say something like the 530s edged it I think it is understandable but when they say things like simply no competition one might tend to think that they might be a bit 'biased' towards the 530s. The gr8 can't be that much behind the 530s now can it?
No, I don't think it's far behind, if at all. And from what I read GR8 needs to be amped to sound good. But even unamped, it sounded nice to my ears.
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