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post #3496 of 4888
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

Does anyone know the difference between the 627AU (single), 627AP (dual) and 627BP (dual)?

The M Stage uses a dual Op Amp.
All those versions will sound the same.
The A is a slightly higher grade, but will not make any difference in this application.
post #3497 of 4888
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

The M Stage uses a dual Op Amp.
All those versions will sound the same.
The A is a slightly higher grade, but will not make any difference in this application.
On tamaudio there is a better version out..the opa637 biggrin.gif
post #3498 of 4888
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

Does anyone know the difference between the 627AU (single), 627AP (dual) and 627BP (dual)?

 

Ooops, my bad.

 

Not very clear

You must use a dual Op Amp version for the M Stage.

 

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


On tamaudio there is a better version out..the opa637 biggrin.gif

 

Eh?

The OPA637 is NOT Unity Gain Stable.

If you try to use this in the M Stage, you must have gain set to either 18 or 20 dB.

At 0 or 10 dB gain, the Op Amp will oscillate.

 

NOT GOOD!  angry_face.gif

 

Personally I would not use the OPA637 in a Matrix M Stage.

The OPA627 has more than enough slew rate and bandwidth for a headphone amp

You could unity gain stabilize the OPA637, but then it is basically an OPA627! wink_face.gif

post #3499 of 4888
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

The OPA637 is NOT Unity Gain Stable.

If you try to use this in the M Stage, you must have gain set to either 18 or 20 dB.

At 0 or 10 dB gain, the Op Amp will oscillate.

 

 

I agree and believe that a dual type LM4562 for example would be a much better choice for an upgrade. 


Edited by muxamed - 1/18/13 at 11:38am
post #3500 of 4888
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

All those versions will sound the same.
The A is a slightly higher grade, but will not make any difference in this application.

 

If they all sound the same, what is the functional difference between them?

So the AP is higher grade than the BP? It's cheaper too (at least at Tam Audio).

 

 


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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

Ooops, my bad.

 

Not very clear

You must use a dual Op Amp version for the M Stage.

 

So the 627's are mono op amps and must be used in a dual configuration? Because the stock op amp is a single one in the M-Stage.

post #3501 of 4888
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

If they all sound the same, what is the functional difference between them?
So the AP is higher grade than the BP? It's cheaper too (at least at Tam Audio).

So the 627's are mono op amps and must be used in a dual configuration? Because the stock op amp is a single one in the M-Stage.

Oops, my bad again!
very strange, the B is actually better!

The B grade has better input offset voltage and better input offset current specs. So you get lower DC offset at the Op Amp's output, but the DC offset at the output of the M Stage has a lot more to do with the discrete output stage following the Op Amp.
Noise is also slightly lower. Can you hear the noise thru your headphones?
I wouldn't bother paying extra for the B grade. Not all these parameters are ultra important to a good sounding headphone amp. Personally, I think the M Stage is quiet enough for my purposes.
I like what Mux says, the LM4562 is a good upgrade for the M Stage, I've tried a few Op Amps, including the OPA 627 and I prefer the LM4562.

In layman's terms, the stock Op Amp is stereo, so you only need one.
The OPA 627 series is mono, so you need two. The Tam Audio kits have two Op Amps built into the kits.
Edited by Chris J - 1/18/13 at 3:28pm
post #3502 of 4888

Gotcha. Is the LM4562 a stereo or mono op amp? Are there any differences between different versions? (I'm looking at the NA version on TamAudio).


Edited by Taowolf51 - 1/18/13 at 3:25pm
post #3503 of 4888
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post

Gotcha. Is the LM4562 a stereo or mono op amp? Are there any differences between different versions? (I'm looking at the NA version on TamAudio).

The NA is a drop in replacement for the stock Op Amp. It is a stereo (or dual!) Op Amp.wink_face.gif

 

The MA is a surface mount technology version.

 

The HA is the metal can, expensive version, not really necessary for the M.

post #3504 of 4888
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

The HA is the metal can, expensive version, not really necessary for the M.

 

I have the HA and it sounds wonderful! biggrin.gif

post #3505 of 4888

I recently got my M-stage, and am really confused by it:

 

1) Using iphone or PS3 as source, the Q701 sounds very unclear, rough, distant. However, the sound is balanced, and with good sound stage.

 

1) I found my old ER4P earphone, and connect it to M-stage. Using the same source, the sound is clear, nothing like with Q701. However, the sound is very unbalanced: right side is a lot louder than the left side.

 

2) ER4P sounds both clear and balanced when connecting directly to iphone.

 

3) Q701 sounds balanced, but unclear with M-stage.

 

4) I think both Q701 and ER4P are fine, since they sound right directly out of computer or iphone, so I assume the issue lies with Matrix??

 

 

 

I'm sooooo confused.... what could be wrong??? confused_face_2.gif

 

PLEASE HELP!!!!

post #3506 of 4888
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Originally Posted by jc89 View Post

I recently got my M-stage, and am really confused by it:

 

1) Using iphone or PS3 as source, the Q701 sounds very unclear, rough, distant. However, the sound is balanced, and with good sound stage.

 

1) I found my old ER4P earphone, and connect it to M-stage. Using the same source, the sound is clear, nothing like with Q701. However, the sound is very unbalanced: right side is a lot louder than the left side.

 

2) ER4P sounds both clear and balanced when connecting directly to iphone.

 

3) Q701 sounds balanced, but unclear with M-stage.

 

4) I think both Q701 and ER4P are fine, since they sound right directly out of computer or iphone, so I assume the issue lies with Matrix??

 

 

 

I'm sooooo confused.... what could be wrong??? confused_face_2.gif

 

PLEASE HELP!!!!

 

 

What are your gain settings?

post #3507 of 4888

I set the gain to 0db, and the ER4P sounds fabulous now, but Q701 still has a pretty dissapointing SQ.

I'm so surprised that using just 10dB gain would distort the sound so much... Is my unit potentially defective?

 

Thanks!
 

post #3508 of 4888
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Originally Posted by jc89 View Post

I set the gain to 0db, and the ER4P sounds fabulous now, but Q701 still has a pretty dissapointing SQ.

I'm so surprised that using just 10dB gain would distort the sound so much... Is my unit potentially defective?

 

Thanks!

 

How does it sound using the PS3 as opposed to your iphone as a source? Are you connecting your iphone through the lineout connection, or the headphone out?

 

Does the Q701 still sound strange if you use just your PS3?

 

If the M-Stage is the issue, it should sound poor with both headphones, not just the one..

post #3509 of 4888

That's the strange thing...

 

The Q701 sounds clear and normal directly through iphone's or PC's headphone jack, so I would assume it's not Q701's issue...

 

ER4P sounds normal with both PS3 and iphone as the source and M-stage in between, so I assume it's not the source or M-stage's issue...

 

The only possible explanation is that Q701 requires a better source than ER4P??

With gain as 0db, PS3->M-stage->Q701, I have to push M-stage's volume almost all the way up. Is that normal, or an indication of bad source?

 

Thanks!!

post #3510 of 4888

Change the gain to 18 or 20 for something like the Q701


Edited by Taowolf51 - 1/18/13 at 5:00pm
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