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post #3181 of 4904
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Originally Posted by HamilcarBarca View Post

 

Please "differentiate" in the Sound Science forum.

 

Thanks for your input in the Matrix M-Stage thread, that was really helpful.


Edited by Guess? - 10/31/12 at 8:28am
post #3182 of 4904
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Originally Posted by Guess? View Post

Of course, M-stage is relatively cheap amp, but... I just wanted to differentiate the generic/cheap and DIY/quality/relatively more expensive cables, which make an audible difference. You can't build a quality cable for $5 after all. Both the interconnects and power cables can make an audible difference with this amp!

 

Seriously, if you want to debate cables in this thread WRT the Matrix M, well, why not?

Go for it!

post #3183 of 4904
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Originally Posted by HamilcarBarca View Post

 

No, that's an audiophile myth: There is no break-in time for capacitors or op-amps. Any Electrical Engineer can confirm this.

Really? I'm an electrical engineer, and I believe different, stop acting like your opinion is absolute.  The only difference between a fact and an opinion is facts can be proven and disproven, and they are all the time. Science is based on measurements and logic. And it's not etched in stone. I respect your opinion, but please don't try to pound it in like it's the last word. 

post #3184 of 4904
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

I'm not really a burn in believer so I will say burn in is approx. 1/2 hour, long enough to let the Matrix warm up!

 

Cables like that are good enough for the Matrix, it is NOT an ultra, hyper, super revealing amp.

That's about right in my opinion, burn in is very short time period. Let it warm up good the first time you use it, and why not five minutes or so in the following uses.

post #3185 of 4904

Burn-in probably isn't the best term when talking about amps.  When people hear "burn-in" they think your saying it needs many hours of running time before it will sound correct.

 

A better term for amps/caps/etc. would just be "warm up", meaning it just needs a very short time to literally warm up.

post #3186 of 4904
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Burn-in probably isn't the best term when talking about amps.  When people hear "burn-in" they think your saying it needs many hours of running time before it will sound correct.

 

A better term for amps/caps/etc. would just be "warm up", meaning it just needs a very short time to literally warm up.

 

 

My advice is to put it in the microwave oven and give 'er a blast for 30 seconds! Then power it up and listen! wink_face.gif

 

(and that was a joke! PLEASE! do not do this!)

post #3187 of 4904
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

 

My advice is to put it in the microwave oven and give 'er a blast for 30 seconds! Then power it up and listen! wink_face.gif

 

(and that was a joke! PLEASE! do not do this!)


I've seen that joke before - perhaps we'd see someone fry his M-Stage and headphones with pictures to show! popcorn.gif

 

On a serious note - DONT DO IT

post #3188 of 4904
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

 

My advice is to put it in the microwave oven and give 'er a blast for 30 seconds! Then power it up and listen! wink_face.gif

 

(and that was a joke! PLEASE! do not do this!)

 

 

*puts M-stage in microwave and closes door...*

 

 - wait, WHAT?!

post #3189 of 4904
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Originally Posted by the search never ends View Post

eally? I'm an electrical engineer, and I believe different, stop acting like your opinion is absolute. The only difference between a fact and an opinion is facts can be proven and disproven, and they are all the time. Science is based on measurements and logic. And it's not etched in stone. I respect your opinion, but please don't try to pound it in like it's the last word. 

 

You're correct. I stated an absolute when such absolutes are for suitable only for undergraduate texts.

 

Here's what I should have said: Essentially none the claims (made here) of audible and gradual break-in for electronics such as the M-Stage appear to have any explanation other than psycho-acoustic effects.

post #3190 of 4904
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Originally Posted by HamilcarBarca View Post

You're correct. I stated an absolute when such absolutes are for suitable only for undergraduate texts.

 

Here's what I should have said: Essentially none the claims (made here) of audible and gradual break-in for electronics such as the M-Stage appear to have any explanation other than psycho-acoustic effects.

 

Oh, there are plenty of alternate explanations.  I think you're talking about plausible ones.  wink_face.gif

 

Okay, we all know that some of the components, especially aluminum electrolytic capacitors, may change a bit over time (and non-trivially for the capacitors), and characteristics vary a little bit by temperature.  Arguing that these kinds of differences amount to much in terms of the output signal for a design like that... that's a tougher sell, particularly if you expect the differences in sound to follow the usage patterns and trends that are described by listeners.

post #3191 of 4904
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

Seriously, if you want to debate cables in this thread WRT the Matrix M, well, why not?

Go for it!


Just wanted to tell you guys that with quality cables the M-Stage sounds even better, that's it.

post #3192 of 4904

Any difference between BCL and M-Stage?

It seems that amplifier section is very similar.

post #3193 of 4904
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Originally Posted by HamilcarBarca View Post

 

You're correct. I stated an absolute when such absolutes are for suitable only for undergraduate texts.

 

Here's what I should have said: Essentially none the claims (made here) of audible and gradual break-in for electronics such as the M-Stage appear to have any explanation other than psycho-acoustic effects.

Care to explain physics? Undergraduate? I'm 52 and have 3 degrees.  Ignoring your foolishness is my best bet.

post #3194 of 4904
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I'm 52 and have 3 degrees.  Ignoring your foolishness is my best bet.

 

That's a good idea. I'll do the same.

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Edited by HamilcarBarca - 11/1/12 at 12:47pm
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