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post #181 of 4892
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post
I spent about 8 hrs yesterday listening. I used mostly female vocals yesterday such as Susan Boyle,Joni Mitchell, Holly Cole and Patricia Barber all on the 701. The amp benefits from warm up as it sounded best late yesterday. Ver fast nice detail and good bass. It is driving the 701 as it appears it was matched well for the K701. It has nice power and is very transparent. Today I want to open it up and see the parts are as advertised. I will post my review and compare it to the Little Dot MK11 with upgraded tubes which cost the same with the 80.00 tubes I am using. Early impressions on the two amps is that the Matrix does not stop the Little Dot. Different presentations but the little Dot is holding up very well.
Interesting findings!
post #182 of 4892
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post
I spent about 8 hrs yesterday listening. I used mostly female vocals yesterday such as Susan Boyle,Joni Mitchell, Holly Cole and Patricia Barber all on the 701. The amp benefits from warm up as it sounded best late yesterday. Ver fast nice detail and good bass. It is driving the 701 as it appears it was matched well for the K701. It has nice power and is very transparent. Today I want to open it up and see the parts are as advertised. I will post my review and compare it to the Little Dot MK11 with upgraded tubes which cost the same with the 80.00 tubes I am using. Early impressions on the two amps is that the Matrix does not stomp the Little Dot. Different presentations but the little Dot is holding up very well.
That's almost my findings as well. I've A/B the Matrix with a few amps close in price range. And find it not a giant killer but a decent, Clean, Transparent, Well Built amp. It's is about the same as the Little Dot as far as power output.
I'll give a better detailed write up after a few more A/Bs.
So far I feel the amp is great but maybe a little overpriced as far as what you get for the $. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice unit but if it had maybe a Dac the $270 price would seem a better deal. With so many low cost products packed with many features it's hard to say the Matrix is a GOOD deal???
Even A/B with the Aune with 2 744s on a Browndog I feel the Matrix isn't leaps ahead in terms of sound. And the Aune is loaded with features, Plus it's about $100 cheaper after the opamps... More to come after a longer time with the Matrix...
post #183 of 4892
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Originally Posted by SPACEACE View Post
That's almost my findings as well. I've A/B the Matrix with a few amps close in price range. And find it not a giant killer but a decent, Clean, Transparent, Well Built amp. It's is about the same as the Little Dot as far as power output.
I'll give a better detailed write up after a few more A/Bs.
So far I feel the amp is great but maybe a little overpriced as far as what you get for the $. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice unit but if it had maybe a Dac the $270 price would seem a better deal. With so many low cost products packed with many features it's hard to say the Matrix is a GOOD deal???
Even A/B with the Aune with 2 744s on a Browndog I feel the Matrix isn't leaps ahead in terms of sound. And the Aune is loaded with features, Plus it's about $100 cheaper after the opamps... More to come after a longer time with the Matrix...
Glad I am not alone. However where it does sound better than the Little Dot is playing large scale classical albums. I notice the power and it drives the 701 effortlessy. I am still early in my impressions but is a very nice amp.
post #184 of 4892
Isn't it a little bit disingenious to compare the Aune with opgraded opamps to the M-Stage with stock ones?
post #185 of 4892
Today I plan on using Classical mostly large scale recordings for today. Very impressed with the amp playing full scale works with the K701. Crystal clear and very dynamic. Sorting through complex recordings and it seems the sweet spot for this amp. Very dynamic with good slam.
post #186 of 4892
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Originally Posted by SPACEACE View Post
That's almost my findings as well. I've A/B the Matrix with a few amps close in price range. And find it not a giant killer but a decent, Clean, Transparent, Well Built amp. It's is about the same as the Little Dot as far as power output.
I'll give a better detailed write up after a few more A/Bs.
So far I feel the amp is great but maybe a little overpriced as far as what you get for the $. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice unit but if it had maybe a Dac the $270 price would seem a better deal. With so many low cost products packed with many features it's hard to say the Matrix is a GOOD deal???
Even A/B with the Aune with 2 744s on a Browndog I feel the Matrix isn't leaps ahead in terms of sound. And the Aune is loaded with features, Plus it's about $100 cheaper after the opamps... More to come after a longer time with the Matrix...
Funny you would compare price like that considering the M-Stage is a clone of the LBC and at less than a third the cost.
post #187 of 4892
As good as the Aune may be, I don't think it allows you to witness the full potential of the M-stage.
I'm quite sure you'll feel the same even with much more expensive amps.

Feed the M-stage with a better DAC and you'll have a change of heart.
post #188 of 4892
I will say that the amp is worth the price of admission. Listening to classical albums all day and it resolves the orchestra well. It is powerful and has ample detail. It never sounds harsh and handles some Reference Recordingd CD's and the Copland which has the Fanfare for Common men which is always a good test for a source and a amp and the Matrix delivers/.I switched it out and the Little Dot MK11 sounds very good as well but not as powerful and bass is tighter in presentation with the Matrix. It is made for K701. I wouldn't say its better than the Little Dot just different. Both amps do well but the Matrix is a better match for the 701 IMHO. When I get pat 100 hrs I will do my review. I have about 25 hrs on the amp now and haven't noticed any significant changes.
post #189 of 4892
I spent most of the weekend listening to the Matrix with my D2000s - I am very impressed with the amp - it's got great power and the detailed presentation really mates well with the Denons for me. I very much like the D2000s as a compliment/change up to my k701s. Sometimes in the past (i.e. with certain tubes) I found the lows just a tad muddy on the D2000s - not with the Matrix. The lows are chest thumping, but in a really controlled way - I don't find anything missing for me in the mids or the highs and the soundstage is beautiful. They sounded as good as I've ever heard them with the M-Stage.

It really is a revealing unit - I listen to mostly lossless files from my MacBook to my DacMagic and I can hear significant differences in the production quality of the tracks that I can't remember noticing before - that's pretty exciting.

As far as a comparison - I briefly A/B'd it against my LD I+ (with Mullard 8100s EF95s) and plan on doing more of that (I recently sold a MKIII so have heard that amp quite a bit as well). My initial impression was the Matrix was a pretty big step up - but I'll need to do more of that. I'm thinking that my LDI+ (with some EF91/6AM6 - Blue Glass Mullards) will eventually be able to give me a tube fix when I'm in the mood for something a little different - we'll see.
post #190 of 4892
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Originally Posted by lescanard View Post
I spent most of the weekend listening to the Matrix with my D2000s - I am very impressed with the amp - it's got great power and the detailed presentation really mates well with the Denons for me. I very much like the D2000s as a compliment/change up to my k701s. Sometimes in the past (i.e. with certain tubes) I found the lows just a tad muddy on the D2000s - not with the Matrix. The lows are chest thumping, but in a really controlled way - I don't find anything missing for me in the mids or the highs and the soundstage is beautiful. They sounded as good as I've ever heard them with the M-Stage.

It really is a revealing unit - I listen to mostly lossless files from my MacBook to my DacMagic and I can hear significant differences in the production quality of the tracks that I can't remember noticing before - that's pretty exciting.

As far as a comparison - I briefly A/B'd it against my LD I+ (with Mullard 8100s EF95s) and plan on doing more of that (I recently sold a MKIII so have heard that amp quite a bit as well). My initial impression was the Matrix was a pretty big step up - but I'll need to do more of that. I'm thinking that my LDI+ (with some EF91/6AM6 - Blue Glass Mullards) will eventually be able to give me a tube fix when I'm in the mood for something a little different - we'll see.
I have done very little A/B comparision with the Little Dot MK11 with the 6H30 and Mullard 4010 but I wouldn't say IMHO the Matrix stomps it. Both cost with my upgraded tubes is identical and I like the tube sound. The MKI1 is an outstanding amp and offers a different presentation IMHO. Like both
post #191 of 4892
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post
I have done very little A/B comparision with the Little Dot MK11 with the 6H30 and Mullard 4010 but I wouldn't say IMHO the Matrix stomps it. Both cost with my upgraded tubes is identical and I like the tube sound. The MKI1 is an outstanding amp and offers a different presentation IMHO. Like both
Sounds like we have similar plans - I specifically wanted a nice SS amp to compliment my LD and think so far I've made a good choice. I really love the LD I+ and the tube rolling is a blast. If nothing else - I'd suggest these Chinese amps are great options (and awesome values) for many!

I was hoping that the Matrix would help me settle in for a while and not want to constantly upgrade my setup (unless I find myself unexpectedly spending some dough on a Woo Audio amp or something stupid like that) ! I've gotta stay off of this site.
post #192 of 4892
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Originally Posted by lescanard View Post
Sounds like we have similar plans - I specifically wanted a nice SS amp to compliment my LD and think so far I've made a good choice. I really love the LD I+ and the tube rolling is a blast. If nothing else - I'd suggest these Chinese amps are great options (and awesome values) for many!

I was hoping that the Matrix would help me settle in for a while and not want to constantly upgrade my setup (unless I find myself unexpectedly spending some dough on a Woo Audio amp or something stupid like that) ! I've gotta stay off of this site.
The only other amp on my sights is the DecWare. I want to use that in my main system as a preamp. But I need to sell off my vinyl rig and records first. Once I do that I wi;; buy the Decware to use with my Outlaw 2150 and sub with the Maggie MMG. Then I am done. LOL
post #193 of 4892
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Originally Posted by audiofil View Post
Feed the M-stage with a better DAC and you'll have a change of heart.
Like which one?
post #194 of 4892
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Originally Posted by buz View Post
Like which one?
There are no better DACs than AUNE in this world, that made you ask ?
post #195 of 4892
No, genuine interest
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