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post #3046 of 3080
How do I use an SPL meter to measure the volume of an amp? The ones I have found only seem to measure via the microphone.
post #3047 of 3080
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

How do I use an SPL meter to measure the volume of an amp? The ones I have found only seem to measure via the microphone.

 

That is about it, play a test tone with a headphone connected to the amp. Just run the SPL meter app on your iphone and put your headphone as close to the mic as possible. Adjust the volume on each amp you are comparing until both reach a level you are comfortable with. I set the volume at 80 -85 dB when I compare amps.

post #3048 of 3080
Thanks Headwhacker. I'll try it.
post #3049 of 3080
Ok. Finally got around to checking this out. To do a really accurate test I need a friend to switch between amps.
This is what I think is going on.
I reckon that there is a hardness to the top end of the Arrow which is not there in the O2.
Switching between the two sources with levels matched as accurately as I can.
I was fully prepared to be wrong about the Arrow but maybe expectation bias is responsible. The difference is very small but I know which amp I would rather use for the 600's.
I will try and enlist a helper to do a blind test.
Edited by krismusic - 4/9/14 at 11:24am
post #3050 of 3080
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I will try and enlist a helper to do a blind test.

 

A very good idea.

 

Can't comment on the O2 as I've never heard it but I've used different gen Arrows and have never found it to be harsh or even bright when compared to other amps. In fact I was happy with the addition of the treble switch.

 

I owned the HD600s and the HD650s at the same time for awhile. I sometimes found the treble to be too much and the bass/fullness too little with the 600s regardless of the amp I used. It isn't that I would never use the 600s as there is some music that sounded better with them. I just find the 650s never give me the brightness fatigue I sometimes experienced with the 600s during extended or high volume listening.

 

 

 

Different strokes....

post #3051 of 3080
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Originally Posted by Hellenback View Post
 

 

A very good idea.

 

Can't comment on the O2 as I've never heard it but I've used different gen Arrows and have never found it to be harsh or even bright when compared to other amps. In fact I was happy with the addition of the treble switch.

 

I owned the HD600s and the HD650s at the same time for awhile. I sometimes found the treble to be too much and the bass/fullness too little with the 600s regardless of the amp I used. It isn't that I would never use the 600s as there is some music that sounded better with them. I just find the 650s never give me the brightness fatigue I sometimes experienced with the 600s during extended or high volume listening.

 

 

 

Different strokes....


Hellenback -

 

I don't post very much but I just wanted to say that I have greatly appreciated your comments over the last four years or so, particularly regarding the Arrow amps.  I have a 2G and a 4G.  I like the darker 2G with my Jays V-Jays (24ohm) portable on the ear phones.  The 4G is a really nice amp also but it is a bit intense in the upper midrange and treble with my Jays V-Jays (even with the treble off at 0.) On the other hand, the 4G does sound great with full size cans, like my HiFiman HE-300's - played through a Music Fidelity V-DAC.  I would probably be better off with the 4N because it has the same opamp AD8397 as the 2G.  I like the HD650's and so I was interested in your comment relative to the HD600's.  I was thinking of buying some HD600's but may research further because I am sensitive to piercing upper mid's .   The 650's are great!

post #3052 of 3080
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Hellenback -

 

I don't post very much but I just wanted to say that I have greatly appreciated your comments over the last four years or so, particularly regarding the Arrow amps.  I have a 2G and a 4G.  I like the darker 2G with my Jays V-Jays (24ohm) portable on the ear phones.  The 4G is a really nice amp also but it is a bit intense in the upper midrange and treble with my Jays V-Jays (even with the treble off at 0.) On the other hand, the 4G does sound great with full size cans, like my HiFiman HE-300's - played through a Music Fidelity V-DAC.  I would probably be better off with the 4N because it has the same opamp AD8397 as the 2G.  I like the HD650's and so I was interested in your comment relative to the HD600's.  I was thinking of buying some HD600's but may research further because I am sensitive to piercing upper mid's .   The 650's are great!

 

Thanks for the comment. I don't think I'd call the 600 piercing by any stretch, especially compared to Grados or cans like the DT880s.  I just prefer the 650s with most music as I find they have a more muscular sound (for lack of a better word). Any music without much bass such as baroque classical can sound as good or better on the 600s.

 

For a desktop I use a balanced set-up and a silver cable with the 650s. To my ears I've taken care of any lack of detail or high-end extension I might have been missing with the stock cable or even a good aftermarket copper one. Having said that, I sometimes wish I still had the 600s to use with the single ended Cardas cable I own. Maybe if/when I find a good deal on a pair ;)

 

Thanks again for your friendly reply.  I'm happy if I offered help of any sort.

post #3053 of 3080

any news on the 5G ?

post #3054 of 3080
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Originally Posted by proedros View Post
 

any news on the 5G ?

According to Robert: 

"My time plan is now: 2 weeks to get the PCBs, 1 week assembly of the PCBs, 1 week testing the firmware. So maybe I will not get it finished in May. Maybe end of May."

post #3055 of 3080

I have the 3.5G. The bass is very nice but overall too dark IMO. Made sad music sadder and happy music less happy if you get what I mean, I hope 5G would be a balance across them all as I love its form factor,

post #3056 of 3080

I had 4G and I found that it makes my iems a little (just a little) dark. So I think that 3G must be warmer (in this case equals to darker).

I think that arrows were great amps in past years but with recent competitors (fiio e12, x5 and ibasso dx90) I don't think that they have any merits. Or maybe I'm wrong.


Edited by heart banger-97 - 5/27/14 at 11:02am
post #3057 of 3080
Last year Robert sent me an email inviting me to trade in my Arrow 1G to Arrow 4G. When I received my 4G I was slightly disappointed, as the improvement it gave over the 1G was not that obvious. The 4G is could resolve more details but that's just it. I was listening the 4G with the S:flo2 then.

Now I have had the DX90 as DAP for a month and I am glad I did the upgrade last year. The 4G scales with the DX90 and offers very obvious improvement over the DX90 built in amp section to drive my EPH-200. The DX90 built in amp sounds very narrow in sound stage and lack of depth compares with the 4G.

I listen to the 4G with crossfeed set to I all the time. I enjoy the much less fatigueing experience offerred by the crossfeed to the point that I have to buy myself a Meier Audio Corda Classic as my desktop headphone amp.
Edited by borrego - 6/11/14 at 12:28pm
post #3058 of 3080

I use an Arrow 4T (which only took a week to receive !) with an HM-601 as of now, powering most of the headphones I own because my desktop setup is practically collecting dust due to being attached to my tower pc which sorely needs replacing. Personally, I feel as if the Arrow is a very good amp if you give it some time and I honestly would be fine using it over my desktop (matrix m-stage dac and amp) mainly due to a more favorable sound in my opinion and the massive increase of portability. In my scenario the 4T has been a great match with the Westone UM3x with a TWAG cable, but I recently decided to go with some FitEar F-111's and have been using them with the aforementioned setup, I consider both combinations to be wonderful. Regarding over ear headphones, I can't really say much as the only set I own are some HD 650's which get touched about once a month and I don't particularly favor them initially, so my opinion would be biased as I mentioned my dislike for the sound of the HD650, nevertheless they seemed to be driven at an adequate volume and the sound wasn't  too hampered when comparing the 4T setup to my desktop, but this should be taken as a grain of salt as I haven't recently used my desktop setup or HD650's in quite some time. Collectively, I find that the Arrow is a great amp and a somewhat overlooked portable device which deserves more attention, although I feel as if Robert might run into some trouble producing large quantities of his amp, haha. 

post #3059 of 3080
Im putting my arrow 4g up for sale along with my pure silver AudioMinor interconnect for 250$ if anyone is interested





post #3060 of 3080

Post it in the classifieds mang.

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