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post #2806 of 3114
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Originally Posted by travelfotografe View Post
 

 

Yes, set the volume to 0db. Now be careful if you ever plug ur headphone back into the Clip+ with volume set to 0db, because that is freaking loud (VERY loud) and will hurt your ears and hurt your IEM and most likely both.

 

I personally do not like to apply equalization (i.e. compensation at different frequency bands). you should only experiment with that after you have exhausted all other adjustments

 

You should not be setting the gain to the | notch. gain is O, I or II right? set it to O, and increase the volume on the Arrow. with IEM, you should use the lowest gain for lowest noise. Try it!

 

Start with all settings on the arrow to O first.

 

The reason I'd set the gain to the middle setting ( | ) was that someone in the PFE232 thread said they felt the added gain gave their 232s a bit more in the midrange, where it is weakest. 

post #2807 of 3114
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Originally Posted by rbf1138 View Post
 

 

The reason I'd set the gain to the middle setting ( | ) was that someone in the PFE232 thread said they felt the added gain gave their 232s a bit more in the midrange, where it is weakest. 

 

You can try Gain O or I. Higher gain will incur more noise. When I have my rockboxed Fuze V1 connected, switched on but not playing. If I set to Gain I, I can hear hiss on my W4R. If I set to Gain O, nada, no hiss. This is enough to convince me to stick to Gain O for my W4R. In fact, even when I use my 3G to drive my Senn HD800, I kept to Gain O, although I have not done extensive comparison testing on Gain I and Gain II with the HD800.

 

Also, at higher gain, i.e. Gain I, you have to dial in less on the volume control on the arrow, which brings you closer to the range on the volume control that may give you channel imbalance. Such analogue volume controls tend to work better by not being too close to min volume setting, so using Gain O will allow you to set a higher volume on the volume control on the Arrow


Edited by travelfotografe - 10/9/13 at 8:38am
post #2808 of 3114
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Originally Posted by travelfotografe View Post
 

 

You can try Gain O or I. Higher gain will incur more noise. When I have my rockboxed Fuze V1 connected, switched on but not playing. If I set to Gain I, I can hear hiss on my W4R. If I set to Gain O, nada, no hiss. This is enough to convince me to stick to Gain O for my W4R. In fact, even when I use my 3G to drive my Senn HD800, I kept to Gain O, although I have not done extensive comparison testing on Gain I and Gain II with the HD800.

 

Also, at higher gain, i.e. Gain I, you have to dial in less on the volume control on the arrow, which brings you closer to the range on the volume control that may give you channel imbalance. Such analogue volume controls tend to work better by not being too close to min volume setting, so using Gain O will allow you to set a higher volume on the volume control on the Arrow

 

When I switch the gain to | from O, with the Clip+ volume at 0db, the hiss is barely audible and I'm sensitive to that. That's part of the reason I was leaving the gain pushed to |

post #2809 of 3114
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Originally Posted by rbf1138 View Post
 

 

When I switch the gain to | from O, with the Clip+ volume at 0db, the hiss is barely audible and I'm sensitive to that. That's part of the reason I was leaving the gain pushed to |

 

 

My understanding is to use the lowest gain setting possible that can give you the volume you need with a pair of head/earphones. The fact that you can hear the hiss at gain | suggest you get a lower noise floor and better S/N ratio with gain O. Indeed higher gain setting might had an effect on other aspects of the sound and you might end up preferring gain | and a lower volume setting on the arrow. I think you can try both (i.e. gain O and higher volume on the dial, versus gain | and lower volume on the dial) and decide which you prefer.

 

IMHO, that hiss on gain | and silence on gain O is telling me that for the earphones used, gain O is the more appropriate gain setting. You should try your other headphones like the Senn 580 on the arrow. I suspect you will not hear hiss on gain | or even gain ||, and you might prefer the sound on a higher gain setting even if gain O can drive the 580 to a high enough volume.

 

But are you getting better or equal sound now on Clip+ with Arrow or is the Clip+ alone still better? ;) 


Edited by travelfotografe - 10/9/13 at 10:15am
post #2810 of 3114

@rbf1138

Yes - Arrow loses a lot of air :( 

I am very disappointed and will sell mine.

post #2811 of 3114

maybe the clip+ don't need the arrow

i have a clip+ and i never used the arrow with it

 

only with my J3

post #2812 of 3114
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Originally Posted by travelfotografe View Post
 

 

Yes my refurb'ed G3 came with the 2 ultra low profile interconnects, which was a pleasant surprise! One shorter and the other slightly longer. Their fit and finish when plugged into the G3 is really perfection, almost like they are part of the casing! The only disappointment is that their cable is rather thin.

 

I am just happy to have my portable rig running again. I lost my portable rig (Fuze V1 rockbox'ed with Fiio LOD into Arrow 3G, fortunately not with my TF10) in a cab, thus had to buy a replacement. Fortunately refub'ed 3Gs are being offered and I ordered one when they were still priced at $149.

 

I have to say that my refurb'ed G3 looks brand new, really nothing to fault in terms of cosmetics.

 

My current rig: Fuze V1 rockbox'ed -> affinitycables LOD -> Arrow 3G -> Westone 4R :etysmile:

 

150 dollars for that amp is the portable amp deal of the entire century. 

 

The 3G remains my favorite Arrow and for that money ... it's almost criminal.

post #2813 of 3114

Is it worth upgrading from the original G4 to the 4N or 4T? I've been given the opportunity to do so for less than $100, and I have a pair of Grado SR-325is and TF10s that I'd use with it.

post #2814 of 3114

Hmm for $100 bucks I'd be really tempted to go for it. I say do it, but consider the wait time

post #2815 of 3114

Hah, how could I forget about those wait times...

 

So, what's the consensus? 4N or 4T?

post #2816 of 3114

Hey guys , help me out here (it may sound stupid so bear with me)

I bought the USB DAC and my question is this ?

i plug it in my laptop as a usb and then i connect the other end to my arrow ?

Is this the correct order ?

yeah i know , i am a newbie with dac cables :D

post #2817 of 3114
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Originally Posted by proedros View Post
 

Hey guys , help me out here (it may sound stupid so bear with me)

I bought the USB DAC and my question is this ?

i plug it in my laptop as a usb and then i connect the other end to my arrow ?

Is this the correct order ?

yeah i know , i am a newbie with dac cables :D

Correct! Source->DAC->Amp->Headphones

post #2818 of 3114
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Originally Posted by Daveed84 View Post
 

Is it worth upgrading from the original G4 to the 4N or 4T? I've been given the opportunity to do so for less than $100, and I have a pair of Grado SR-325is and TF10s that I'd use with it.

 

I would say the 4T is better to my ear and it worth to upgrade :)

post #2819 of 3114

How can some of you guys have waited several months for your Arrow? I'm on day 6 from taking the plunge and I'm going INSANE!!

post #2820 of 3114

Cmon! Its like waiting and giving birth. :D

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