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post #16 of 37
2/27/10 at 2:52pm
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Ayre has a Blue Ray player now?

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Yep. The Ayre DX5 is basically BDP83 in a fancy box with some modifications...and yes, the price is pretty steep.

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post #17 of 37
2/27/10 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by Koyaan I. Sqatsi View Post
Ayre has a Blue Ray player now?

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Yes, the DX-5, but it is a oppo that has been modded, its only 2CH analog out, the digital section is 100% the same as the oppo and they are still only using 24bit DAC's.
post #18 of 37
2/27/10 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by SB View Post
Its to show you what the owners of high end audio companies think and to show you how little they know.
Yes, the linked thread offers a welcome opportunity to study the mindset of an audio manufacturer. But the way you present this topic is plainly exploitative. A high-end manufacturer charging an exorbitant sum for an oppo mod may be a questionable practice, however it's not a license for petty mudslinging over all the dubious opinions held by its chief engineer, especially in an unfamiliar forum where he doesn't have a chance to reply.

edit: at least offer Hansen the courtesy of removing his name from the title of this thread so it doesn't get its rank boosted on google
post #19 of 37
2/27/10 at 5:11pm
SB, I just read your thread that was closed http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f133/a...0-oppo-459204/

What I want to know is how much does it cost for parts and labor for their modifications? Whether something is a rebadge or not isn't what is important, what is important is whether the modifications are worth the extra cost. And kudos to you for telling people about this.
post #20 of 37
2/27/10 at 5:44pm
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SB, I just read your thread that was closed http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f133/a...0-oppo-459204/

What I want to know is how much does it cost for parts and labor for their modifications? Whether something is a rebadge or not isn't what is important, what is important is whether the modifications are worth the extra cost. And kudos to you for telling people about this.
I have asked charles how much and he has yet to give a figure, charles goes on and on about how his mods inprove this and that yet he has not even measured the DX-5 performance. I posted up how he is so concerned about jitter and the importance of jitter yet he has not even measured it, I found that rather odd.

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Originally Posted by anetode
Yes, the linked thread offers a welcome opportunity to study the mindset of an audio manufacturer. But the way you present this topic is plainly exploitative. A high-end manufacturer charging an exorbitant sum for an oppo mod may be a questionable practice, however it's not a license for petty mudslinging over all the dubious opinions held by its chief engineer, especially in an unfamiliar forum where he doesn't have a chance to reply.

edit: at least offer Hansen the courtesy of removing his name from the title of this thread so it doesn't get its rank boosted on google
Since one can not discuss this on AVS, they have a real soft spot for high end audio or they are getting nice fat checks from these companies like most review sites, I have to discuss it else where. Charles has followed me around trying to defend the DX-5 with simple posts but since he can not discuss anything that will defend the price of the DX-5 he leaves rather quick.

I tried to discuss the power supply and DAC configuration with him but I honestly think he does not understand what if any difference there can be. I tried to discuss jitter with him and he himself had no clue on how jitter impacts the perfromance of a DAC let alone when it is audible. Charles is a peddler of his wares and will say anything to make his equipment look good.
post #21 of 37
2/27/10 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by anetode View Post
Yes, the linked thread offers a welcome opportunity to study the mindset of an audio manufacturer. But the way you present this topic is plainly exploitative. A high-end manufacturer charging an exorbitant sum for an oppo mod may be a questionable practice, however it's not a license for petty mudslinging over all the dubious opinions held by its chief engineer, especially in an unfamiliar forum where he doesn't have a chance to reply.

edit: at least offer Hansen the courtesy of removing his name from the title of this thread so it doesn't get its rank boosted on google
.....I suggest you to do some research on this Hansen guy.


post #22 of 37
2/27/10 at 5:52pm
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Funny thing is I took alot of slack about being the first to point out that the lexicon BD-30 was a rebadged oppo and when it was finally proven 100% I received no apologies or credit. Same with the theta digital compli blu and now with the ayre DX-5. I tried to talk charles into sending a DX-5 into audioholics but he was adamantly against that so he will just stick to biased high end review sites.
post #23 of 37
2/27/10 at 6:01pm
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.....I suggest you to do some research on this Hansen guy.
He posts over at audio asylum, enough said. I wonder if charles gets a teleportation tweak from machina dynamica for all his equipment?
post #24 of 37
2/27/10 at 7:26pm
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He posts over at audio asylum, enough said. I wonder if charles gets a teleportation tweak from machina dynamica for all his equipment?

Maybe, but he probably has better ideas such as pure-neutron-shielded interconnects.

Should be regarded as nothing more than a joke, but thing is this guy is from one of those called "high-end" audio makers.
post #25 of 37
2/27/10 at 7:53pm
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Maybe, but he probably has better ideas such as pure-neutron-shielded interconnects.

Should be regarded as nothing more than a joke, but thing is this guy is from one of those called "high-end" audio makers.
ayre home

If one thinks that $10,000 for a oppo is a lot you should check out his other used cars.
post #26 of 37
2/27/10 at 7:58pm
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post #27 of 37
2/27/10 at 9:17pm
"While we don't have conclusive proof of the mechanism involved, we suspect ..." - LOL

btw, you should join team snake oil
post #28 of 37
2/27/10 at 9:47pm
Well, at least they sell it for $20 and not $400.
post #29 of 37
2/28/10 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by wnmnkh View Post
.....I suggest you to do some research on this Hansen guy.
I have, or at least I think I have, after trudging through a large portion of the avsforum thread. There's a tactful way to handle criticism of high end b.s. that doesn't involve the raking across the coals of someone's name along with their pseudoscientific assertions.

What's odd is that he doesn't even appear to need any introduction, nor any of the other players. It's like I just walked in on some gossiping at a bizarro family reunion.
post #30 of 37
2/28/10 at 12:46am
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I have, or at least I think I have, after trudging through a large portion of the avsforum thread. There's a tactful way to handle criticism of high end b.s. that doesn't involve the raking across the coals of someone's name along with their pseudoscientific assertions.

What's odd is that he doesn't even appear to need any introduction, nor any of the other players. It's like I just walked in on some gossiping at a bizarro family reunion.
Argh, his rumblings on AVS forum is.... just part of what he has contributed to so called..... internet high-end audio knowledge.








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