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post #1 of 286
Thread Starter 
Hello one more time, head-fie'rs.
Before I start- sorry if I write some grammers.

Due the fact I had another theard here about my K701, I'll make the first explanation short- like a one month ago Iv'e bought a new K701 phone. burned them in for like 200hours (+-, it's based on my average listening hours per day).
Shortly after I did connect them into new ASUS Xonar Essence STX sound card, to use the card's amp as amp- until i'll be able to get a real phones amp. what i'll do soon, as I hope.

Now let's get to the subject itself.
Until I'll get my amp, I start getting some doubt feelings about my K701...

Before I even thought about buying a K701, I was looking for a pair who can give me the MAXIMUM soundstage (or at least the most closer to), details, contrast and transparent sound (so I can hear every sound without any sounds that "hiding" some other low sounds from my ears), and the rest was less important for me (like bass, enjoyable sound and stuff).

The most recommendations was Indicated the AKG K701. after some reviews and post readings, I was so sure I just found the perfect headphones, at least for my demands.

I bought them a while later, listen to them without any amp. despite I had to burn-in them and amp them, they still sound nice for me, still better than anything I heard. after connect them to my sound-card amp they sound better for me. a lot of sounds and wide soundstage. the problem was that, all those sounds collided with each other. the bass was lack, the midrange was somewhat-opaque, and the high frequency was too loud so It was such a pain in my ears.
but well, I didn't burned-in them yet, so I gave them some burn-in hours.

Slowly they start to sound more balance. the bass become stronger, the high was better, and the rest also.

Theyr'e really great- such a natural sound I never heard before. It's like being in studio closed room. the soundstage is great, the accuracy is high and there's more details than I heard before.

But... it's still not what I was looking for. I would say it's just half-of. and i'm talking about the soundstage and details, the most important point for me in phones.

Let's say I can hear every detail, but just some of them are prominent enough. and in songs, the more there's details in, the more some are not prominent enough. it feels like a lot of sounds are runing over other sounds.

In conclusion-
I was looking for headphones that can stress any sound as far it's exists in the song, without feeling like some sounds are disturbing my ears to hear it. all of this, in balance. (all the sounds don't have to be prominent in the same strength of the other, it will be enough just to hear them properly)

Is it too many to ask for AKG K701?
is it all the mighty K701 can do?

It can be a new k701-the-best-or-not discussion also, but I'll be happy to find out the answer.
post #2 of 286
Well, sounds hide each other, its impossible for them not to. There is no way, short of having a mixing board where you can isolate each track and turn each track up and down as you please that you will perfectly hear every minor detail. That's why they are minor details.

So, yes, what you are asking is basically impossible with human hearing.

I hate K701's. But what you are faulting them for is not their problem. If you want to pick out minor details, there are very few headphones, and nothing remotely close to their range that is better.

What it sounds like you want is to make every sound the same exact volume, regardless of what level it is at in the recording, and that's just impossible to do with headphones alone.
post #3 of 286
So If I understand you correctly you're looking for a pair of headphones that are extremely transparant and objective - in that it doesn't puts an emphasize on anything but instead let's you hear everything in equal measure?

I think what you ask is not possible, the recording itself decides for a large part the balance in which details are presented, the acoustics decide whether something must claim more attention and headphones that present you all the details without any hierarchy aren't very musical in my opinion.

Maybe a very good studio headphones that only let's you hear every detail, without any acoustic and spatial information.
The Beyerdynmamic DT48 comes to mind:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/bey...rrives-418746/
post #4 of 286
Erm, what ?
The k701's soundstage is still not wide enough for your needs ?

Of course, the real reason might be due to the lack of a proper headphone amp.

But just a suggestion, a studio monitor speakers might be your best bet.
(Having one now, great complement with k701)

To answer to the title of this thread..
I am going to take the balanced route soon. There are many cans out there, but I chose the akg k701, figure the rest.
post #5 of 286
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Originally Posted by Mink View Post
Maybe a very good studio headphones that only let's you hear every detail, without any acoustic and spatial information.
The Beyerdynmamic DT48 comes to mind:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/bey...rrives-418746/
...But only if you want the midrange and not much more. Perhaps something like the Beyerdynamic DT150 would be a better choice in this case.

However it may be, it sounds like you might want to look into closed headphones. They usually have a beefier, more solid sound that might give more of the impression that all the musical information is actually there.

Of course, the K701 would scale a lot with better source and (especially) amplification. But for significant upgrades here things might get expensive rather quickly.

But you might also simply be looking for the perfect headphone that does everything. In that case, sorry, it doesn't exist.
post #6 of 286
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Originally Posted by Mink View Post
So If I understand you correctly you're looking for a pair of headphones that are extremely transparant and objective - in that it doesn't puts an emphasize on anything but instead let's you hear everything in equal measure?

I think what you ask is not possible, the recording itself decides for a large part the balance in which details are presented, the acoustics decide whether something must claim more attention and headphones that present you all the details without any hierarchy aren't very musical in my opinion.

Maybe a very good studio headphones that only let's you hear every detail, without any acoustic and spatial information.
The Beyerdynmamic DT48 comes to mind:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/bey...rrives-418746/

Wait, are you suggesting headphones which are worse than K701 in OP's regards? Another problem of DT48 is that bass is just completely absent, even worse than AKG K1000 if my memory is correct.


To OP : If you don't like 701's revealing nature, yet you still want headphones with good resolution, Sennheiser HD600 will be sufficient; it just has all things that you need -less prominent high yet still maintain details, very good balance, smaller soundstage compared to K701 but still large enough, and more bass response.
post #7 of 286
Thread Starter 
You guys have got me wrong.
I know it's natural when sounds can hide each other, that's why I said "in balance, all the sounds don't have to be prominent in the same strength of the other".

the important details just have to be more prominent and strangth so I can hear them all enough clear, every one of them. it's something I don't have in AKG K701.

It's something possible, i'm sure.

The question if it's too much to ask from K701 specifically, or the amp i'm gonna go for gotta change it all.
post #8 of 286
I said,

"-less prominent high yet still maintain details"

HD600 still fits your goal. Sure for detail parts it is worse than K701, but not much.

And there aren't many phones that are upgrade from K701 either if you like K701 sound and want similar yet better. Only cans I can think of are HD800 and Beyer T1. But these cans are ultra-expensive and will not fit your budget.
post #9 of 286
It sounds like you're looking for new headphones. An amp will help a lot with the fine details, but it won't completely change what the headphones sound like. I would say you're looking for something more along the lines of an Audio-Technica AD700, AD2000, etc. Also, I hate to say it, but the HD800 would easily solve all of the problems you speak of.
post #10 of 286
Thread Starter 
So amp won't help me, the K701 just was a bad choice....?

"It sounds like you're looking for new headphones." I do! I really love the sound singature.
The details just have to be more stronger and prominent. isn't it something who amp can change in AKG K701?
post #11 of 286
How is it that you decided all the fault is with K701? And I'm amazed how everyone else is recommending other headphones.

You failed to mention:

1- What setting you're using with STX, impedance setting, any dsp active, is 'hi fi' enabled?

2- what player you're using, what setting, what type of files, lossless or lossy?

3- what type of music?


this is elementary problem solving. headphone is in the end of the chain, once everything else has been ruled out then its headphone's fault.
post #12 of 286
Thread Starter 
1. High gain, about the rest- I don't know, can you detail please?
2. Winamp, everytime FLAC\WAV or mp3 320.
3. evety type, I don't have specific one.
post #13 of 286
high gain, you mean 300-600ohms setting?
post #14 of 286
Thread Starter 
Yup, the 2nd option.
post #15 of 286
Ok, you're correct in that instance. that is the 64-300 ohms setting, keep it at that.

the rest of your setting should look like this, and use winamp volume to control the listening level. bad quality pic i hope you can see.

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