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post #61 of 170

Guy, Just got my pair of EM3 today, is there somthing wrong with them?

 

Bass and medium are ok but top of the spectrum is not that sharp (apologies for my english, I may not use the right words ;-) ) not really detailed as it should?

Coming from ER4P which are over sharp, I understand it has to make a difference but for now I have to be honnest, it is far from being impressive. I understand there is a "burn in" phase but still high pitch sound should be much more detailed ...

 

Any ideas? thks

 

PS by the way, there are 2 outgoing holes in the plastic, is that ok for 3 speakers headphone? medium and bass are grouped together? I wonder if they shipped another model that EM3 Pro :)


Edited by Domdom - 5/21/10 at 9:33am
post #62 of 170

 

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Guy, Just got my pair of EM3 today, is there somthing wrong with them?

 

Bass and medium are ok but top of the spectrum is not that sharp (apologies for my english, I may not use the right words ;-) ) not really detailed as it should?

Coming from ER4P which are over sharp, I understand it has to make a difference but for now I have to be honnest, it is far from being impressive. I understand there is a "burn in" phase but still high pitch sound should be much more detailed ...

 

Any ideas? thks

 

PS by the way, there are 2 outgoing holes in the plastic, is that ok for 3 speakers headphone? medium and bass are grouped together? I wonder if they shipped another model that EM3 Pro :)


When I got my SM3, I had the exactly same feeling as yours :) I thought EarSonics had mistakenly sent me a pair of SM2 :)

 

Never tried any custom, no experience with EM3Pro, but if you are coming from ER4P I can understand your 'initial' feeling of 'not-right in the treble' with EarSonics products.

 

Give both your brain and the drivers some time to burn in.
 

post #63 of 170

Ok then thanks, your feedback makes sense ... tough still

I have also asked Earsonics the same question, awaiting their feedback ..

post #64 of 170

Does the treble roll off? I'm getting that impression from reading this thread. Some prefer that, but it should be stated, so situations that may be going on with Domdom don't come as a surprise, unless of course, there is a failure in his model. 


Edited by robm321 - 5/21/10 at 2:14pm
post #65 of 170
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Ok then thanks, your feedback makes sense ... tough still

I have also asked Earsonics the same question, awaiting their feedback ..


LOL, I did the same thing as well :) I contacted EarSonics regarding the treble issue of SM3, and they gave me some advice to use with different tips. I then asked for a frequency graph, but was ignored.

 

I shouldn't have commented anything here because I am yet to try EM3Pro ^^; Hope owners of these chime in to give you some advice or comment.
 


Edited by KLS - 5/21/10 at 12:01pm
post #66 of 170

Earsonics advice is to first get used to the "new sound". They may be right since I come from super analytic ER4P from Etymotics ...

So I guess I will give it a try for a few days/weeks ...and report back here ;-)

 

But I cant forget this is their flagship and I can expect the best so I hope it gets better!


Edited by Domdom - 5/21/10 at 12:36pm
post #67 of 170

I swear there was some physical change over the first week or so, more than just brain burn in.  I had a coworker listen when I first got them because I thought they were too warm and had a holy crap moment, a week later the same person listened again with the same tips and said they changed a lot to his ears.  Did he have brain burn in?

 

Plus, if you read the SM3 thread, there are many owners that say the more they listen, the better they sound!  Something is going on!

post #68 of 170
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First, here is the freq graph, but dont draw conclusions from it, this graph doesnt show the harmonics, which IMO are the magic of EarSonics:

 

EM3-PRO.jpg

 

You have the EM3pros's dont worry. One bore is for the double bass armatures and the other is for the mid-high armatures. I had exactly the same experience that you describe. Our ears are not accustomed to the harmonics at the high freqs that the EM3pro renders (especially coming from the etys), call it burn-in but in around 150-200 hours of play you will start hearing the best musical reproduction youve ever heard, you will hear more details than with the er4's thats what happened to me.

 

Just relax and play them, they will bloom! this is the experience of almost everyone that has changed to earsonics...


Edited by GuyDebord - 5/21/10 at 3:15pm
post #69 of 170

Ok thanks for the feedback.

FYI with Apple firmware: quite a lot of white noise in the back ground (pffffffff), with Rockbox nothing :)

 

With Rockbox I turned up treble a little bit (oops sorry couldnt help although I dont like to "cheat"), maybe I shouldnt but when you hear Jazz battery and you dont get the same as on regular speakers or live sound, its weird ...

 

Ok lets give them a try then ...

 

PS by the way a little offtopic, my iPod is just 60 Gig and with FLAC it may not be enough, any recommendation for a portable player with bigger harddrive and FLAC compatibility?


Edited by Domdom - 5/21/10 at 5:11pm
post #70 of 170
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First, here is the freq graph, but dont draw conclusions from it, this graph doesnt show the harmonics, which IMO are the magic of EarSonics:

 

Just relax and play them, they will bloom! this is the experience of almost everyone that has changed to earsonics...


Magic...a word that is fitting IMO.
 

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PS by the way a little offtopic, my iPod is just 60 Gig and with FLAC it may not be enough, any recommendation for a portable player with bigger harddrive and FLAC compatibility?


I have a 240GB 5.5g DIY modded iPod which sounds awesome.  I can throw my whole collection on that, including 24-96 and 24-192 (although it is down sampled I believe).  I don't know of another player with a larger than 60GB capacity that can play FLAC.  But then you need an amp, and the Arrow fits the iPod like a glove!

post #71 of 170
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Ok lets give them a try then ...

 

 


You wont regret it... please keep us posted with the progress of your impressions.

post #72 of 170

Well 2 weeks now? sure it sounds better and what I like the most is it really gives you a sense of the sound stage.

Warm and detailed, and natural I may add. To be honest I cant really compare to my previous Etymotics, this is SOOOO different and I was shocked in the beginning.

 

Now today I was listening to my "regular" home sound system: decent amp and Thiel speakers ... still sometimes I feel I am maybe missing some treble, especially on classical violin for instance. Am I so messed up by Etymotics? I know I am a bit paranoid and I am trying to relate to real life concert live performance audio feel to which I guess EM3 are close to.

 

I guess I will wait a little bit more with the burn in factor ...or could it be the player? Using FLAC on a rockboxed 5G iPod so it is good enough? Would a Cowon make that a difference??


Edited by Domdom - 6/4/10 at 5:03pm
post #73 of 170
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Well 2 weeks now? sure it sounds better and what I like the most is it really gives you a sense of the sound stage.

Warm and detailed, and natural I may add. To be honest I cant really compare to my previous Etymotics, this is SOOOO different and I was shocked in the beginning.

 

Now today I was listening to my "regular" home sound system: decent amp and Thiel speakers ... still sometimes I feel I am maybe missing some treble, especially on classical violin for instance. Am I so messed up by Etymotics? I know I am a bit paranoid and I am trying to relate to real life concert live performance audio feel to which I guess EM3 are close to.

 

I guess I will wait a little bit more with the burn in factor ...or could it be the player? Using FLAC on a rockboxed 5G iPod so it is good enough? Would a Cowon make that a difference??

 

I guess I can relate somewhat. I just received my ER4Ps today in the mail and I love them. Very high amount of detail and piano recordings just sound amazing. Gonna do some comparisons to my 702s later tonight and see how it goes. 

 

Weekend + Music + headphones + coffee = awesome. 
 

post #74 of 170
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You wont regret it... please keep us posted with the progress of your impressions.


Speaking of impressions, I had mine done today and will be able to post my thoughts in the near future!
 

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Originally Posted by Domdom View Post

Well 2 weeks now? sure it sounds better and what I like the most is it really gives you a sense of the sound stage.

Warm and detailed, and natural I may add. To be honest I cant really compare to my previous Etymotics, this is SOOOO different and I was shocked in the beginning.

 

Now today I was listening to my "regular" home sound system: decent amp and Thiel speakers ... still sometimes I feel I am maybe missing some treble, especially on classical violin for instance. Am I so messed up by Etymotics? I know I am a bit paranoid and I am trying to relate to real life concert live performance audio feel to which I guess EM3 are close to.

 

I guess I will wait a little bit more with the burn in factor ...or could it be the player? Using FLAC on a rockboxed 5G iPod so it is good enough? Would a Cowon make that a difference??


So, you think you are missing something from the EM3 Pro?  For me, the SM3 seemed to take 200 hours to perform in it's full glory, but still improved some after that.

post #75 of 170

Domdom if this is your first custom's there is a big possibility that you don't have to have the right fit. I am speaking from my experience. If you are not full satisfied something is wrong because these custom's like jh13, em3-pro.. are sure excellent sounding..


Edited by knopi - 6/5/10 at 2:17am
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