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Mmm I'm using with foobar and I get no where near out of head speaker like effect, just a tiny bit further effect.. And with Isone Surround there's some compression/distortion when applied. What am I missing ?


Edited by BoogieWoogie - 5/14/12 at 8:31pm
post #542 of 854
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Originally Posted by BoogieWoogie View Post

Mmm I'm using with foobar and I get no where near out of head speaker like effect, just a tiny bit further effect.. And with Isone Surround there's some compression/distortion when applied. What am I missing ?

Did you listen to a piece of music that has drastic stereo panning, or it only had mild stereo separation? If you pick a piece of music that has dramatic stereo panning, such as a guitar panned all the way on the left or right channel, or a ping-pong delay/panning of a synth, or something, you'll REALLY notice the effect. Remember, not all music are mixed to have the same level of stereo separation. There will be some music that were mixed to have mild stereo separation, and you won't notice much of a difference, while there will be some songs that will sound dramatically different with Isone.

 

I'm going to share a track with you guys--one that I always use to test out how good a crossfeed works. It's a demo clip for one of the hardware synthesizers that Waldorf made, and it's got one of the most dramatic stereo ping pong-panning ever, and it demonstrates the effects of a crossfeed better than any other track I know of because of its unique effect:

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?vq1ntg6dou7x122

 

Download this and play it through Isone. Turn on and off Isone, and you'll hear a dramatic difference, and be able to hear exactly what Isone is doing. 

post #543 of 854
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Originally Posted by Lunatique View Post

Did you listen to a piece of music that has drastic stereo panning, or it only had mild stereo separation? If you pick a piece of music that has dramatic stereo panning, such as a guitar panned all the way on the left or right channel, or a ping-pong delay/panning of a synth, or something, you'll REALLY notice the effect. Remember, not all music are mixed to have the same level of stereo separation. There will be some music that were mixed to have mild stereo separation, and you won't notice much of a difference, while there will be some songs that will sound dramatically different with Isone.

 

I'm going to share a track with you guys--one that I always use to test out how good a crossfeed works. It's a demo clip for one of the hardware synthesizers that Waldorf made, and it's got one of the most dramatic stereo ping pong-panning ever, and it demonstrates the effects of a crossfeed better than any other track I know of because of its unique effect:

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?vq1ntg6dou7x122

 

Download this and play it through Isone. Turn on and off Isone, and you'll hear a dramatic difference, and be able to hear exactly what Isone is doing. 

I just tested with your file and its more noticeable but again its just a few cms upfront dolby effect like, nothing like speaker effect you mentioned. I was expecting something similar to the realizer but nop. 

post #544 of 854
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Originally Posted by BoogieWoogie View Post

Mmm I'm using with foobar and I get no where near out of head speaker like effect, just a tiny bit further effect.. And with Isone Surround there's some compression/distortion when applied. What am I missing ?

 

I had similar experiences.  I don't think you are missing anything.  

post #545 of 854
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I just tested with your file and its more noticeable but again its just a few cms upfront dolby effect like, nothing like speaker effect you mentioned. I was expecting something similar to the realizer but nop. 

Did you actually calibrate Isone as instructed in the user's manual?

 

Also, you realize you are comparing a hardware unit that costs thousands of dollars to a plug-in that costs 20 Euro?


Edited by Lunatique - 5/15/12 at 8:57am
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Did you actually calibrate Isone as instructed in the user's manual?

 

Also, you realize you are comparing a hardware unit that costs thousands of dollars to a plug-in that costs 20 Euro?

Yeah its unfair but there's no out of the head effect. I didn't read the manual but there's just a few buttons and tried all.

post #547 of 854
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Yeah its unfair but there's no out of the head effect. I didn't read the manual but there's just a few buttons and tried all.

 

You can't just arbitrarily try all the buttons on any piece of gear and expect to "calibrate" it properly if you don't even know what the buttons do and how they work together. HRTF requires you match the settings to size of your head and ears and the user manual tells you how to do this in detail. 

 

And plenty of people love the realistic illusion Isone creates of having speakers in front of you. Even seasoned professional mixers and mastering engineers are often fooled by it, thinking they'd left their studio monitors on when in fact, the monitors were turned off and only the heaphone is on, with Isone activated. 

post #548 of 854

Wow, that sample is indeed great to show what isone does. 

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Originally Posted by Lunatique View Post

Did you listen to a piece of music that has drastic stereo panning, or it only had mild stereo separation? If you pick a piece of music that has dramatic stereo panning, such as a guitar panned all the way on the left or right channel, or a ping-pong delay/panning of a synth, or something, you'll REALLY notice the effect. Remember, not all music are mixed to have the same level of stereo separation. There will be some music that were mixed to have mild stereo separation, and you won't notice much of a difference, while there will be some songs that will sound dramatically different with Isone.

 

I'm going to share a track with you guys--one that I always use to test out how good a crossfeed works. It's a demo clip for one of the hardware synthesizers that Waldorf made, and it's got one of the most dramatic stereo ping pong-panning ever, and it demonstrates the effects of a crossfeed better than any other track I know of because of its unique effect:

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?vq1ntg6dou7x122

 

Download this and play it through Isone. Turn on and off Isone, and you'll hear a dramatic difference, and be able to hear exactly what Isone is doing. 

post #549 of 854
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Originally Posted by Lunatique View Post

 

You can't just arbitrarily try all the buttons on any piece of gear and expect to "calibrate" it properly if you don't even know what the buttons do and how they work together. HRTF requires you match the settings to size of your head and ears and the user manual tells you how to do this in detail. 

 

And plenty of people love the realistic illusion Isone creates of having speakers in front of you. Even seasoned professional mixers and mastering engineers are often fooled by it, thinking they'd left their studio monitors on when in fact, the monitors were turned off and only the heaphone is on, with Isone activated. 

I mean, I tried several times with different settings. You say that maybe its the recordings and I need to use that test tone for the true experience.

Then I see it's not really an out of head speaker like effect you mentioned or the effect would be the same with whatever recording just like the realizer. 

 

Also the VST adapter could be messing with the effects, dunno.


Edited by BoogieWoogie - 5/16/12 at 11:21am
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Okay, now there's another plug-in that is a lot like Redline Monitor, called Monitor MSX5, by G-Sonique:

http://www.g-sonique.com/msx5headphonemonitoring.html

 

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Can you post some links to these discussions?

Generally speaking, Jeroen Breebaart is sometimes referred by those in the pro audio community as a "genius." He's a very respected for all of his accomplishments and expertise in DSP processing, setting audio standards, and establishing patents. 

 

http://meetgenius.com/people/jeroen-breebaart.html

 

http://www.patentgenius.com/inventedby/BreebaartJeroenEindhovenNL.html

 

A brief bio:

 

"Jeroen is a Principal Scientist and Cluster Manager at Philips Research, The Netherlands. Jeroen received an MSc degree in biomedical engineering from the Eindhoven University of Technology in 1997, and a PhD degree in psychophysics from the same university in 2001.

 
From 2001 to 2007, Jeroen was with the Digital Signal Processing group at Philips Research, conducting research in the areas of spatial hearing, parametric audio coding, automatic audio content analysis and audio effects processing. His work on audio compression has been incorporated in several international standards, including MPEG-4, MPEG Surround, 3GPP, DVB and the upcoming standard for spatial audio object coding (SAOC).
 
Since 2007 he has been the leader of the Signal Processing for Safety cluster of the Information and System Security Group at Philips Research, expanding his signal processing expertise towards biometrics and safety. He actively participates in the ISO/IEC IT security techniques standardization committee, the ISO/IEC Biometrics standardization committee, and is involved in several EU-funded projects (3D FACE and TURBINE).
 
Jeroen is a member of the IEEE and the Audio Engineering Society. He regularly acts as peer reviewer, published about 60 papers for external conferences and journals, co-authored and co-edited two books and was granted several patents. In his free time, he develops audio signal processing algorithms for professional use."
 
 
Discussions about Isone and Jeroen's plug-ins:

 

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4376933#4376933

 

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3983676#3983676

 

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3985226#3985226

 

http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=1001360&sid=cb589cba5e96f25c700c44ae6a44064f#1001360

 

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3986162#3986162

 

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=213770&p=2522366#p2531785

 

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=301273&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

 

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2534346&mpage=1#2547407

 

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60715

 

 

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

Lunatique, how does Isone compensate for angled drivers?  Were headphones with angled drivers or non-angled drivers used when writing the algorithm?  

 

 

You should probably ask Jeroen that. 

post #551 of 854

So the guy that made it likes it?  Noted.

post #552 of 854
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So the guy that made it likes it?  Noted.

Now you're just being contentious. I posted a bunch of links where pro audio guys talked about accidentally yanking their headphones out when using Isone because they thought they were listening to their studio monitors and forgot that they had headphones on, or how they thought Isone gave them very realistic emulation of some of the best mixing/mastering rooms they've been in, or how they greatly respect Jeroen's knowledge and expertise. Did you bother reading them (you asked for them too)? Instead, you chose to make another snide remark. 


Edited by Lunatique - 5/17/12 at 3:24am
post #553 of 854

Wow, some of you pressed some buttons here and there, and there was no effect! How sad! 

If this is how most consumers use products nowadays, no wonder things are getting dumbed down.

 

@Lunatique, I don't think its worth wasting time with them. Thanks for recommending the plugin.


Edited by proton007 - 5/16/12 at 8:13pm
post #554 of 854

Haters are gonna hate. Just leave them be.

 

I for one, am thoroughly enjoying the Isone Pro Plugin! 

 

@Lunatique, can't thank you enough for the recommendation! :)

post #555 of 854

Well Isone changes the sound no doubt when switching back with and without effect. On one mind I'm thinking yeah it changes it heaps, but on the other when I don't consider how it sounds without effect (as if the effect was the only sound you can get) it sounds really good. So is the headphone only sound more correct? The fact is the effect sounds good to me.

 

I recommend trying Sheppi plugin with isone it makes the center image more solid and in front of you ie vocals. You know how some of the plugins or sound in general makes the sound come from in front of you but it still sounds abit like it's in you head abit (not solidly placed away from you) Well sheppi with isone helps with that. With Sheppi I found to be good conservatively set, it's like sugar to your ears too much and it can make you feel sickened a little. It can become too wet with heavy settings. Please try it, it's free, you literally feel the sound dragging from your head when you switch it on or off. smily_headphones1.gif NOTE It might sound better to put isone first in chain.

 

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I've tried heaps of plugins and a few players, I also like dolby headphone played in PowerDVD 12.


Edited by Matt head 777 - 5/17/12 at 9:52pm
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