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post #16 of 97
Can someone say, on 4-26:

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Set 1:
xxxxx - Bertha (MISSING)
xxxxx - Me And My Uncle (MISSING)
Is there version without those missing??
post #17 of 97
Thanks guys for the info. I'll certainly download these after reading regal's comments about the quality. I'm kinda in the same boat as Skylab in being a bit over saturated in shows, and haven't really kept up in the past few years. If something like this pops up though, I'm always happy to find out about it. Thanks....
post #18 of 97
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Originally Posted by Bill St. Clair View Post
Right you are. AppleLossless.com says: "Apple lossless supports 16 bit and 24 bit audio, as well as multi channel audio, such as 5.1."
Yes, but you need to be careful. The ALAC encoder used by FFMPEG (which is the encoder that most non-Apple programs use) is 16-bit only, no 24-bit. So that's where some of the confusion comes in.
Apples ALAC encoder yes 24-bit encoding
FFMPEG ALAC encoder no 24-bit encoding
dBpoweramp ALAC encoder I'm not sure
post #19 of 97
Thanks, Ham Sandwich. I use XLD to convert FLAC to ALAC. According to this comment on a Computer Audiophile post, it preserves FLAC bit-width and frequency.
post #20 of 97
Have listened to most of these shows today. Was not overly blown away. Pretty average shows I would say. If you like 71 check 12.14, or the New Year's show.
post #21 of 97
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Originally Posted by Bill St. Clair View Post
Thanks, Ham Sandwich. I use XLD to convert FLAC to ALAC. According to this comment on a Computer Audiophile post, it preserves FLAC bit-width and frequency.
Pretty certain dbPoweramp does, too.
post #22 of 97
Thanks for the heads up on these. I like the Dead but I don't follow the scene to know what audience/soundboard recordings are worth getting. I've downloaded a few Dead shows from etree but do so mostly blind not knowing what is the good stuff and what isn't.

I'm downloading the 4/29/71 show right now cause it has Uncle John's Band. I hope it's gonna be good.

So besides the 4/26/71 through 4/29/71 shows, what should I look for?

I do have the Sick Bits version of the Jai-Alai Fronton show (06/23/74). It's the only Dead download that I've kept in my library. It's quite interesting how they've mixed (matrixed?) in the audience tape and soundboard tape. It surprised me how well that worked.
post #23 of 97
Well, just like with any audio or music topic, you will get a LOT of different answers as to what are the best GD shows. Just that 74 Miami show you have is a great one for sure.

What sets the GD totally apart from other bands, irrespective of the music itself, is that they employed someone (Betty Cantor-Jackson), whose only purpose in the band's crew was to make two-channel mix-down tapes from the soundboard - of EVERY concert they played (and they played some 2400+ IIRC). So unlike most soundboard tapes, including the GD ones from the 80's after Betty was gone from the scene, the mix is done for the sound in the hall, not the sound on the tape.

Betty was doing it differently - she was actually trying to make nice sounding 2-channel mixes. And most of the time she succeeded, sometimes with phenomenal results. Some of the "Betty Boards" are among the finest sounding live concert recordings ever made, especially when considering the size of the venues they were playing.

With bittorrent, of course, you are limited to what is being seeded, which for the GD tends to be the latest remasters du jour. So my recommendation is pull down whatever 70's GD you see on etree - you can always delete it later.
post #24 of 97
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
Betty was doing it differently - she was actually trying to make nice sounding 2-channel mixes. And most of the time she succeeded, sometimes with phenomenal results. Some of the "Betty Boards" are among the finest sounding live concert recordings ever made, especially when considering the size of the venues they were playing.

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Owsley made some good SBDs as well, he actually has a webpage on his techiques and was taping the Dead before Betty.
post #25 of 97
Indeed. The point is that few, if any, other bands ever did this, and certainly none did to the extent that the GD did. They are the most and best recorded band in history (again irrespective of what someone thinks of their actual music).
post #26 of 97
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Originally Posted by Ham Sandwich
Thanks for the heads up on these. I like the Dead but I don't follow the scene to know what audience/soundboard recordings are worth getting. I've downloaded a few Dead shows from etree but do so mostly blind not knowing what is the good stuff and what isn't.

I'm downloading the 4/29/71 show right now cause it has Uncle John's Band. I hope it's gonna be good.

So besides the 4/26/71 through 4/29/71 shows, what should I look for?

I do have the Sick Bits version of the Jai-Alai Fronton show (06/23/74). It's the only Dead download that I've kept in my library. It's quite interesting how they've mixed (matrixed?) in the audience tape and soundboard tape. It surprised me how well that worked.
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
Well, just like with any audio or music topic, you will get a LOT of different answers as to what are the best GD shows. Just that 74 Miami show you have is a great one for sure.

What sets the GD totally apart from other bands, irrespective of the music itself, is that they employed someone (Betty Cantor-Jackson), whose only purpose in the band's crew was to make two-channel mix-down tapes from the soundboard - of EVERY concert they played (and they played some 2400+ IIRC). So unlike most soundboard tapes, including the GD ones from the 80's after Betty was gone from the scene, the mix is done for the sound in the hall, not the sound on the tape.

Betty was doing it differently - she was actually trying to make nice sounding 2-channel mixes. And most of the time she succeeded, sometimes with phenomenal results. Some of the "Betty Boards" are among the finest sounding live concert recordings ever made, especially when considering the size of the venues they were playing.

With bittorrent, of course, you are limited to what is being seeded, which for the GD tends to be the latest remasters du jour. So my recommendation is pull down whatever 70's GD you see on etree - you can always delete it later.
"Any show from the '70s" is a pretty broad "recommendation." The quality both of shows and the recordings can vary widely.

I could recommend to start with something like the shows May 7-9 '77, which are widely believed to be among the best shows ever played by the band. You might as well start with the best.

Many from '76 are also very good, 06-09, -14, and -24 are favorites. Off top of the head there is another '74 show that I like to hear, 06-18.

If you go to the Grateful Dead section at archive.org (Grateful Dead : Free Audio : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive) you can pick between downloadable and streaming shows. Then if you search in those results with the format like, for example "1976-06-09" it will show you the concert, and very often there are stars and reviews there from people. So you can see which ones are regarded well, and get reviews on them to tell which ones you might like to download (if they are there). Most are in streaming at least, I think, if they are not in download.

You ignored my post before mentioning some ones to get, so maybe you will ignore this too, I don't know. But for me, that is what I would often do, go to the archive.org and look there.
post #27 of 97
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Originally Posted by vidranger1 View Post
"Any show from the '70s" is a pretty broad "recommendation." The quality both of shows and the recordings can vary widely.
I think you missed the point of my post - where bittorrent is concerned, you can only d/l what is actively being seeded. I was not recommending just downloading any 70's show, but specifically, what 70's shows are currently being seeded by someone on bt.etree.org, which will only be a small subset at any given point in time.

Archive.org is great for streaming, but you cannot download soundboard recordings from there anymore.
post #28 of 97
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
I think you missed the point of my post - where bittorrent is concerned, you can only d/l what is actively being seeded. I was not recommending just downloading any 70's show, but specifically, what 70's shows are currently being seeded by someone on bt.etree.org, which will only be a small subset at any given point in time.

Archive.org is great for streaming, but you cannot download soundboard recordings from there anymore.
Yes, you can stream there and get a preview, which can be very helpful. Also to read the reviews is helpful. Used to be one could download the soundboard recordings from archive.org, perhaps now one cannot do that, but then go to etree.

To hear a preview with the streaming and then to see what is there on bt.etree.org saves very much time still, I think. It cannot hurt one to know more. To download entire torrents at random but not to know really what it is could use much of the time and bandwidth, I think. So I think the suggestions I had made are very useful and I did not see anyone else make them. But it is up to everyone what is the best method.
post #29 of 97
I just wanted to thank everyone that posted in this thread. I didn't know what flac was back when you could get soundboards off archive.org so all my shows are mp3. I was actually about to post in FS that I wanted the 4-29-71 show cause I love the Black Peter off that show and if I could only have one GD show in lossless, that would be it for me. After seeing this thread, I am now a happy camper.
post #30 of 97
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Originally Posted by deadhead12 View Post
... I was actually about to post in FS that I wanted the 4-29-71 show cause I love the Black Peter off that show and if I could only have one GD show in lossless, that would be it for me. ...
Glad you said that since I just finished downloading it, and haven't listened yet.

Thanks to all.

- Ed
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