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post #46 of 125
2/19/10 at 1:06am
Hey now that's nice! Thanks! When you get the uDAC try to listen to them from its HPO, maybe it will bring out a smoother sound...
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post #47 of 125
2/19/10 at 1:31am
Some say the UE tips work best with the Pannys, and I have an extra pair of mediums and smalls, but no larges. You can have them. Sorry to go OT. Said my piece on these phones, all three are good, but of course you can have a preference order, right? At $109, the Pannys are a very good value, that's for sure.
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post #48 of 125
2/19/10 at 2:27am
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Ah, if that's the case then the HJE900 is indeed an amazing value. Thanks for the info.

Now, if only I could do something about my small ears...
I too have extremely small ear canals. The nozzle size plays a major role in comfort for me. The CK10 has a very small nozzle. I believe 4mm according to jokers review. The CK10s are extremely comfortable.
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post #49 of 125
2/19/10 at 2:39am
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I find the complies pretty much eliminate all semblance of harshness of barely burned in HJE900. I'm actually quite liking skullcandy ink'd tips on them right now though, they look nicer too.
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Those comply tips are so stupid expensive for what it really is.... ah, guess i will have to do it anyway
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But I did find my Complys to muffle the sound of the HJE900 in a less-than-ideal way. A bit of high-end attenuation would be nice but what I got was too much. Ear geometry plays a factor, I'm sure.
x2, I can't recommend foam tips for these. The foam mod takes only 5 minutes, costs zero and gives just about the right amount of high-end attenuation. Just be careful not to stuff the foam too deep into the nozzle.
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post #50 of 125
2/19/10 at 2:43am
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@Mark : Im worring because I also seem to be overly sensitive to treble harshness and sibilance.. Actually i've been planning on doing the foam mod on the HJE900 long before i had even purchased them, crossing my fingers that it'll be enough...
Since the beginning MTP Gold looks much more like they have the perfect balance for my tastes and this review confirms it , but they are still too expensive (for me at least) so i decided to bet that the foam-modded HJE900 will still be a worthy and enjoyable upgrade above the IEMs i've had so far.
Ive been watching your reviews and i often thought that we maybe share similar sound signature preferences (mid centric/forward), have you tried to foam-mod HJE900, if so what do you think about it?
I have tried Shure Foam tips with various IEMs. If you are sensitive to higher frequencies and find treble harshness an issue, I can tell you from my experience that Foam tips will assist you.
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post #51 of 125
2/19/10 at 4:16am
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But I did find my Complys to muffle the sound of the HJE900 in a less-than-ideal way. A bit of high-end attenuation would be nice but what I got was too much. Ear geometry plays a factor, I'm sure.
Yea, that's what I'm trying to figure out myself. The complies definitely calm down the treble, but I feel like it might be too much, and the soundstage feels a bit blurrier as well, but that might just be my mind playing tricks on me. The skullcandy tips actually seemed to be working quite nice, and the translucentness looks awesome with the CZs. I still think that skull logo is atrocious though, but it's not very noticeable. Only thing is I'm unsure about fit, and I gotta do some more testing to make sure I'm not losing out on anything crucial.
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post #52 of 125
2/19/10 at 7:35pm
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Listening to Porcupine Tree’s The Blind House I was amazed by how delicate, controlled, and precise all drumwork sounds on the CK10 – the longer decay times and greater impact of the other two IEMs provide a very different (and arguably more natural) listening experience.
Can you talk more about the decay? If they don't sound as natural as possible, do instruments like electric guitars at least sound satisfying on the CK10?
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post #53 of 125
2/19/10 at 11:35pm
Are there any complies where the cores extend all the way through the tip? I seems the treble detail is lost at that end of the tip. If I put in the complies backwards, I get a significantly better sound, but it feels odd in my ear.

I currently have stock tips, Skullcandy ink'd, and the Comply T400s.

The stock tips(largest ones) are what I'm using now. They give me everything i need if not necessarily the best of it. The are quite wearable in terms of comfort, though they fall short to the ink'd and complies.

The SC ink'd are very comfortable, and have noticeably better soundstage than the stock tips, I think because the opening is wider. However(ironically), I lose bass extension and coherence, perhaps because I'm not getting a proper seal(though it fits totally fine), or because the opering is larger than the nozzle. Certainly very usable though and I'm still unsure whether I actually prefer the stock ones to these.

The T400 is supremely comfortable. Everything is good except for the treble. I lose that treble detail that makes me like these headphones in the first place =[. Howeeverrrr if I put the complies on the nozzle backwards, they sound a good deal better, but they feel odd in my ear, this way and just look weird =/

Maybe I'll stick with the reverse complies, or maybe I'll use stock tips. Maybe I'll get myself to buy other tips.

What tips are y'all with the Pannies using?
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post #54 of 125
2/20/10 at 3:37am
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What tips are y'all with the Pannies using?
X2 - waiting on the pannys now, ordered some Sony hybrid and some T400 (which just got here- sooo comfortable! Sound is sharper with the silicone but I can easily sleep with the t400s) but I was wondering what else fits these, and what sounds best.
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post #55 of 125
2/20/10 at 4:09am
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The skullcandy tips actually seemed to be working quite nice, and the translucentness looks awesome with the CZs. I still think that skull logo is atrocious though, but it's not very noticeable. Only thing is I'm unsure about fit, and I gotta do some more testing to make sure I'm not losing out on anything crucial.
If you want clear silicone tips without the skull logo Meelec sells the M11 fit kit for $5. Clear single flanges in 3 sizes + bi- and tri-flanges. Not sure how they sound on the Panny as I don't have the M11 anymore but I remember the tips being quite soft and comfy. I myself was using the UE/Lansing single flanges off my old UHP336 which are pretty typical single-flange silicone tips except they aren't as tough as the stock Panny ones.

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Can you talk more about the decay? If they don't sound as natural as possible, do instruments like electric guitars at least sound satisfying on the CK10?
The CK10 sounds plenty natural but there's a tiny bit of the music that I feel gets lost without the long-ish decay times more typical of dynamic-driver IEMs compared to BAs. The reverb from certain instruments sounds like it gets cut just a tiny bit short by CK10s as opposed to the MTP/G. This is pretty common to all BA IEM's I've tried, though some fare better than others. Again it's not a big deal and is probably accentuated by the crystal clarity of the CK10.
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post #56 of 125
2/20/10 at 4:15am
Joker, are the M11 tips the same as M9's (except for the triple flange of course), i mean do they have the same stem opening diameter?
I was gonna order some M9 tips but M11's are the same price and add the triflanges to the same tips.
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post #57 of 125
2/20/10 at 5:11am
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Joker, are the M11 tips the same as M9's (except for the triple flange of course), i mean do they have the same stem opening diameter?
I was gonna order some M9 tips but M11's are the same price and add the triflanges to the same tips.
The M11 has a slightly thinner nozzle than the M9 but I think it still uses the same size tips. Even if the tips are a tiny bit narrower you should still be able to get them on the HJE and any other 5.5mm IEM without a problem.
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post #58 of 125
2/20/10 at 5:49am
The CK10 and particularly the HJE900's are a very tempting alternative to a pair of PFE's which I find too bright and analytical for my tastes. I favor a neutral but slightly warm sound, so I think the HJE900's might be just right. However, the CK10's are also a possibility but I'm concerned that they'll be just as bright and forward as the PFE's. I'm also considering the TF10's because they come highly recommended from a friend with whom I share a preference for neutral but warm sound signature. I also cant deny that the ability get the TF10's remolded and upgrade the cable is really really enticing (and still spend less money than I was originally going to on the PFE's and a Headstage Arrow 12HE).
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post #59 of 125
2/20/10 at 5:12pm
Ahh I am somewhat sad today as when I went to listen to my Pannies, I noticed the little filter grill thingy on the right earphone(well I guess there's no real right or left as the cables are detacheable =P) disappeared all of a sudden, so it seems I will need to get a replacement. Thankfully I live in NY so I can just go get a replacement right there at J&R, but I worry they might not have them in stock with the recent boost in popularity of these. I haven't noticed any sound alteration but I'm worried about particles getting on the driver and stuff over time. I have no clue how the filter just detached lol. It's going to suck having to re-burn in too =P

Also, thanks for the suggestions joker, I'll look into those!
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post #60 of 125
2/20/10 at 5:29pm
Napilopez, before you return them, i suggest you take advantage of that and listen to their sound filterless, and with the foam mod. You might very well like them better without the filter and/or with the foam mod inside! (some people have been taking the filter out on purpose to improve the sound)
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