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TF10 Flip Flop MOD and what i found.

post #1 of 41
2/15/10 at 3:34am
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Well i did the flip flop mod with my TF10 , by unplugging the monitors and switching them to the other cable,and at first listen they sounded horrible. The bass impact was all but gone, the mids were completely recessed and it didn't sound like the TF10. So i felt there was a possibility that the polarity was reversed. I grabed my multimeter from the garage and it was so. The polarity will be reversed if the L and R on the monitors are facing the L and R on the cable. So if you look at the R or the L on the cable it should be facing towards the back of the monitors. To clarify for instance if you have the left cable in your hand and your using the right monitor (for the flip flop MOD) the L on the cable should be facing towards the back of the monitor. Hope i explained it ok. Give it a listen and you will see for yourselves.
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post #2 of 41
2/15/10 at 3:38am
guildostrunk helped me with the flip-flopped mod triplefi and i switched the cable from L/R facing the nozzle, to the L/R are facing away from the nozzle (L/R facing the back of the monitor). And the end result it sounded soo much better...

To add, the difference was that everything sounded lower as in the past i always find the triplefi to sound really really high and lacking on the lows due to the polarity being reversed. The mids were now brought forward with better clarity and the bass goes deeper.

I know i said this, thank you! And really nice of you to make a thread to help others
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post #3 of 41
2/15/10 at 3:41am
I have done it both ways(wasn't sure which way was right), can't say unamped I can hear a difference, a significant one anyway...
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post #4 of 41
2/15/10 at 3:48am
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Originally Posted by playingwithfire View Post
I have done it both ways(wasn't sure which way was right), can't say unamped I can hear a difference, a significant one anyway...
Amped is where i really notice it ..... a ton. Try doing a comparison listening to the same song, it will hit you.
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post #5 of 41
2/15/10 at 3:49am
Ok to be extra clear, facing toward the monitor as in when looking directly at the nozzle you can read the L/R or the L/R should be facing out to space away from the monitor?
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post #6 of 41
2/15/10 at 3:51am
u can read the L/R of the cables by looking at them from the back of the monitor, when flipped of course. So like the L/R markings on your monitors shouldn't be facing the L/R on the cables.
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post #7 of 41
2/15/10 at 3:52am
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Originally Posted by Glitched View Post
Ok to be extra clear, facing toward the monitor as in when looking directly at the nozzle you can read the L/R or the L/R should be facing out to space away from the monitor?
The L and the R on the cable should face towards the back of the monitor or away from the nozzle.
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post #8 of 41
2/15/10 at 4:54am
Well I have the cables L/R indicators facing away from nozzle.. The bass has a greater presence overall I guess, don't want to a/b this much. The vocals sound slightly different, not sure.

This thread caught my attention because when I first flip moded my tf10 I used the advice from this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/ult...61/index3.html

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Step One: Remove cable from both ear pieces.

Step Two: Attach the left cable to the right ear piece making sure that the little "L" on the cable plug is facing the nozzle.

Step Three: Attach the right cable to the left ear piece making sure that the little "R" on the cable is facing the nozzle.

Step Four: Insert the Right ear piece with the left cable attached into the left ear. Insert the Left ear piece with the Right cable attached into the Right ear.
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post #9 of 41
2/15/10 at 5:39am
It shouldn't matter as long as both sides are connected in the same way (Both have the marking facing in, or both out). Unless the cable was manufactured wrong.
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post #10 of 41
2/15/10 at 10:39am
+1, mesaone.

Have not heard a difference with both facing in or both facing out, but I did once have one in, one out when I moved the cables in a hurry (when I was testing flip mod). First, I noticed that the soundstage was suddenly really wide! Wow, did I discover burn-in on armature phones? Then I noticed that it was very unnatural and everything else was out of whack! Oh, its only out of phase.

BTW, I went back to a regular setup. I find the flip mod less comfortable, actually, since the bulge puts more pressure on my ears. I don't mind them sticking out, really.
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post #11 of 41
2/15/10 at 3:22pm
You know, I initially had an issue with my ears being irritated with the TF10s "flip-flopped" and switched back and forth a few times, but they seemed to have adjusted and I find it perfectly comfortable now.
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post #12 of 41
2/15/10 at 4:57pm
I had it the same, my ears adjusted over the first couple days with the flip mod. Now if I go back to the original layout the seal is almost completely gone.

As far as the flip mod itself goes with L/R facing in/out, I guess it doesn't make a difference either way, maybe the first few posters have really high end amps or something that brings out the difference.
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post #13 of 41
2/15/10 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Glitched View Post
I had it the same, my ears adjusted over the first couple days with the flip mod. Now if I go back to the original layout the seal is almost completely gone.

As far as the flip mod itself goes with L/R facing in/out, I guess it doesn't make a difference either way, maybe the first few posters have really high end amps or something that brings out the difference.
Very noticeable with the P-51 Mustang.
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post #14 of 41
2/15/10 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by Guidostrunk View Post
Well i did the flip flop mod with my TF10 , by unplugging the monitors and switching them to the other cable,and at first listen they sounded horrible. The bass impact was all but gone, the mids were completely recessed and it didn't sound like the TF10. So i felt there was a possibility that the polarity was reversed. I grabed my multimeter from the garage and it was so. The polarity will be reversed if the L and R on the monitors are facing the L and R on the cable. So if you look at the R or the L on the cable it should be facing towards the back of the monitors. To clarify for instance if you have the left cable in your hand and your using the right monitor (for the flip flop MOD) the L on the cable should be facing towards the back of the monitor. Hope i explained it ok. Give it a listen and you will see for yourselves.
Hmmm.
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post #15 of 41
2/15/10 at 6:36pm
For me I'm not using any amp and the difference is pretty big to me , though now I need to adjust the seal over time
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