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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik  Celine is clearly the better singer, though I am not a fan of her material.
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Fair enough, particularly since I agree.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik Madonna has developed some chops over years (check out how bad she is on early work)...[...]
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"Holiday" and "Borderline" are two of my favorite singles of all time. Both from her first album. I first heard them when my primary listening was RunDMC and the Clash. She sang bang! on pitch and with great expression. Would a vocal coach think so? No. But then again, vocal coaches don't really care for music. They are all about technique. Not the same thing. Some people think Barbra Streisand is a great singer. I couldn't disagree more.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik [But Madonna] is the superior entertainer. I wouldn't mind seeing Madonna live just for the spectacle, but would probably have t o be drugged and bound to attend one of Celine's concerts.
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I'd see Dione just for the experience of watching spectacle in a declining culture. I think we agree. I just think Madonna, while not as technically accomplished a singer, is a far more important singer than Dione. That said, I've never been to a Madonna show, and I doubt I ever will attend a Madonna show. The spectacle is nonsense to me. Someday. SOMEDAY, she will just come out on stage, with a great band, and, you know...just sing. Or not.
