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post #841 of 939

Explain fussy.  Out of all the amps I've owned the below three are the ones I didn't like the HD800s on at all.  However, the fact was - I didn't really like any other headphone on them either. 

 

Burson HA - 160D

Magni

 

 Of course they  sound better on some amps compared to others - all headphones do.  I'll bet there's someone out there that loves their HD800 on both the 160D and the Magni.  

post #842 of 939
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Explain fussy.  Out of all the amps I've owned the below three are the ones I didn't like the HD800s on at all.  However, the fact was - I didn't really like any other headphone on them either. 

 

Burson HA - 160D

Magni

 

 Of course they  sound better on some amps compared to others - all headphones do.  I'll bet there's someone out there that loves their HD800 on both the 160D and the Magni.  

Paying great or excessive attention to personal tastes and appearance; fastidious.

 

HD800 and T1 both sound good and 'bad' out of some of the same stuff. However I've heard the HD800

sound worse out of more amps than the T1 comparatively. Thus, seemingly giving the impression of being picky.

post #843 of 939
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post
 

Paying great or excessive attention to personal tastes and appearance; fastidious.

 

HD800 and T1 both sound good and 'bad' out of some of the same stuff. However I've heard the HD800

sound worse out of more amps than the T1 comparatively. Thus, seemingly giving the impression of being picky.

 

Gotcha.

 

For me, the amps I like work very well with both.  The amps I dislike, I dislike them with both.  :biggrin: 


Edited by preproman - 1/18/14 at 6:10am
post #844 of 939

And just to add one more opinion into the mix. I have an HA-160D and really like it with the HD800. I don’t find the sound thin or grating at all. they have an excellent, rich tone to my ears. I know that speed, bass detail and soundstage could be better but I still like the current pairing. For comparison’s sake, in the past 3 years, I’ve heard the HD800 on the RWA balanced Isabellina HPA, Burson Soloist (sounded too sharp on this one for me), Headroom desktop and ALO Amphora

 

Meanwhile, the HA-160D with my (now sold) T1 was totally unimpressive. I didn’t feel like upgrading the amp/DAC to bring out more with the T1 whereas I am now thinking about different upgrade possibilities for the gear upstream the HD800...

post #845 of 939
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Originally Posted by LCfiner View Post
 

And just to add one more opinion into the mix. I have an HA-160D and really like it with the HD800. I don’t find the sound thin or grating at all. they have an excellent, rich tone to my ears. I know that speed, bass detail and soundstage could be better but I still like the current pairing. For comparison’s sake, in the past 3 years, I’ve heard the HD800 on the RWA balanced Isabellina HPA, Burson Soloist (sounded too sharp on this one for me), Headroom desktop and ALO Amphora

 

Meanwhile, the HA-160D with my (now sold) T1 was totally unimpressive. I didn’t feel like upgrading the amp/DAC to bring out more with the T1 whereas I am now thinking about different upgrade possibilities for the gear upstream the HD800...

 

Myth bunked... Just goes to show, it can go both ways.   Good post.

post #846 of 939

If an amp provides a black background and satisfies the headphones' power requirements then it's doing its job. The rest is preference. Certain amps pair well with certain headphones because those are the amps  that are imparting character that counteracts the flaws inherent to those headphones.

post #847 of 939

How does the HD800 receive that "Expensive amp is a must" reputation? I read numerous posts that states the HD800 requires at least $1,000 amp if not $2,000. Now I know those amps surely would bring the best out of them, but I'm using the WA3 and perfectly happy with the combo.

post #848 of 939
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

How does the HD800 receive that "Expensive amp is a must" reputation? I read numerous posts that states the HD800 requires at least $1,000 amp if not $2,000. Now I know those amps surely would bring the best out of them, but I'm using the WA3 and perfectly happy with the combo.

It Just happens to be that many popular amps for the HD800 - Mjolnir, Soloist, BHA-1 run sub $1k-2k.

 

Many report good results with O2, BCL, etc.

 

If you're happy with the WA3 that's all that matters. 

post #849 of 939
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

How does the HD800 receive that "Expensive amp is a must" reputation? I read numerous posts that states the HD800 requires at least $1,000 amp if not $2,000. Now I know those amps surely would bring the best out of them, but I'm using the WA3 and perfectly happy with the combo.


It's very simple. People that buy flagship products generally have cash to spare and like nice things. Logic will only tell you that if you buy a really nice pair of $1500 headphones then you simply MUST pair it with an equally as refined amp. The problem is there's much more grey area in regards to amplification because it's, by in large, subjective. Differences in headphones can be verified easily and identified in blind tests. Amps are sometimes a different story. The bottom line is: If it makes you happy, do it. Life is too short.

post #850 of 939
(MUCH) more than the amps, the sound quality of the recordings played is the most important factor in whether the HD-800 or T1 sound good. They aren't forgiving, at all! For the 85% (or more) of less-than well recorded/mastered recordings in my rather large (obscenely so and not proud of it) library of CDs, LPs and files, I have the HE-5LE which hides inequities much, much better.

The better the gear (HP or speaker system) the more I realize that those folks with very modest, non-revealing systems probably get to enjoy more recordings than I do. The recording industry has never caught up (maybe getting "worse") with the degree of finesse available in audio equipment.

Many of the new-fangled options like SACD, hi-rez files, SHM-CD are not improvements as the majority are regurgitations of originally poor recordings. If I had to prune my collection to only those recordings that "sound good" with my gear, I would be left with very few choices.
Edited by Mambosenior - 1/18/14 at 11:07am
post #851 of 939
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

The T1 don't sound good on all amps either - correct?  Does that make the T1 a picky headphone?  Same goes with LCDs, AKG, HiFiMans and other Sennheisers.  In fact, you can say that about all headphones.  

 

This "the HD800s are the pickiest and most difficult to get right" is a Head Fi myth. It all comes down to preference.  

I wouldn't say its a myth at all because it continues to scale like no other dynamic headphone. The T1s topped out with the WA2 and wouldn't scale anymore.

post #852 of 939
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

Myth bunked... Just goes to show, it can go both ways.   Good post.

Not really. At 600 ohms the HA-160 (very underpowered especially for high impedance cans) struggled to do anything with the T1s. Man that was a bad combination. Just one bad amp all around and horrendous with any 600 ohm beyer (including the DT880s). There are a few HE-6 myths though I think should just end. ;) I keed...I keed.

 

EDIT: I do think that the HD800s can sound great out of many amps (and they don't need to cost a bundle). That said, they are the hardest to get them sounding at their best. They scale and scale and that is the difficult thing about them if you want it all. The T1s tapped out with the WA2 just to name an example. The LCD-2s or TH-900s don't need many thousands of dollars invested in the front end to get 100% of their sonic goodness either.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 1/18/14 at 12:53pm
post #853 of 939

Scaling and "the HD800s are the pickiest and most difficult to get right" are not the same thing by a long shoot.  The fact is, the HD800 will sound good out of many amps.  That's just a fact why?  Because it's all subjective.  

 

There is not a shred of objective data to prove otherwise - PERIOD..  Another fact is there's no objective data that states the HD800 scales so high, just subjective impressions or "myths"  

 

Again,  many of head fir'es feel they have the right amp for the HD800s.  So who's to say they don't?  Don't sound like this head phone is hard to get right to me.  Looks like it's right to more people with different amps than not.

 

The 160D was not to my liking at all with the HD800s.   LCfiner said he loved that combo.  This is called preference - that's all it is.  We also have some that love the objective stack with the HD800 and some feel it's not good at all.  Again = preference.  Has nothing to do with the  "the HD800s are the pickiest and most difficult to get right"  "MYTH"

post #854 of 939

T1 does indeed top out at WA2, but damn, what a good combo. i still miss it.

 

in a way i think the GSX with T1 is better, but the treble is brighter, which limits the music you can listen to, some of my reference recordings, i find them equal or the GSX slightly better for T1, but with poor recordings, i would stick to the WA2 for its more forgiving nature.

 

i find the same for the HD 800, except the HD 800 does indeed scale higher on the GSX MK2, and doesn't ever get bright or anything.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 1/18/14 at 2:14pm
post #855 of 939

Come to think of it.  Doesn't that make the T1 more amp dependent.   Just playing devils advocate.

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