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post #796 of 939

i also found it a bit weird that the HD650 and 600 were ahead of the TH900 in that list considering that people rate the Fostex so highly

post #797 of 939
it really comes down to personal preference
post #798 of 939
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it really comes down to personal preference

...and the day of the week, and your mood that day, and...
post #799 of 939
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it really comes down to personal preference


+1.  And it always comes down to that.  We all have that combination of things that we look for in our preferred presentation.  I'm 61 and have been a gigging drummer since I was in 8th grade.  My thing is to be right there in the mix with the musicians...I want as little distance as possible without losing separation and realistic instrument timbre.  To my ears I get that more with the T1...at least on my modest setup.  I previewed both the HD800 and the T1's before I bought and chose the T1 for the reasons above.  Have I heard the HD800's amped up to their potential...absolutely not.  But even with that, I'm not sure if I could get past that 'distance' thing in my head.  If anybody's tired of their 800's you could donate them to me and I'd be more than happy to explore them more completely.


Edited by billerb1 - 12/26/13 at 2:19pm
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+1.  And it always comes down to that.  We all have that combination of things that we look for in our preferred presentation.  I'm 61 and have been a gigging drummer since I was in 8th grade.  My thing is to be right there in the mix with the musicians...I want as little distance as possible without losing separation and realistic instrument timbre.  To my ears I get that more with the T1...at least on my modest setup.  I previewed both the HD800 and the T1's before I bought and chose the T1 for the reasons above.  Have I heard the HD800's amped up to their potential...absolutely not.  But even with that, I'm not sure if I could get past that 'distance' thing in my head.  If anybody's tired of their 800's you could donate them to me and I'd be more than happy to explore them more completely.

I applaud you for being willing to make that sacrifice to the common good :o2smile:  I've heard lots of critiques about the HD-800 and share a couple of those (bit too treble happy, can be analytic sounding...) but they're definitely not veiled as someone in this thread wrote.  I also liked the T1 but to me it wasn't worth the premium over the already excellent DT-800 which I own.  But with certain types of music such as fast rock I can imagine people would prefer the T1 to the HD-800.  Not for me though, listening to classical.  Anyway, it's all subjective.  The 58 flagships thread is a huge piece of work and imo very well considered, it can help you draw up  shortlist when all you've got is cash in hand and little experience (a situation easily reversed if you hang around here), that's what it did for me.  But the final 25% depends on how you prefer the sound of the genre you listen to and even then nothing's carved in stone.  Hell, I listen only to classical and even there my headphone preference will vary according to what I'm listening to.  Am typing this wearing my HD-800 although generally I prefer my HE-500 or HE-6.

 

And on that note it's time to go back to my normative ethics course, a curse on myself for taking up philosophy at 40 while holding a fulltime job.

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I applaud you for being willing to make that sacrifice to the common good :o2smile:  I've heard lots of critiques about the HD-800 and share a couple of those (bit too treble happy, can be analytic sounding...) but they're definitely not veiled as someone in this thread wrote.  I also liked the T1 but to me it wasn't worth the premium over the already excellent DT-800 which I own.  But with certain types of music such as fast rock I can imagine people would prefer the T1 to the HD-800.  Not for me though, listening to classical.  Anyway, it's all subjective.  The 58 flagships thread is a huge piece of work and imo very well considered, it can help you draw up  shortlist when all you've got is cash in hand and little experience (a situation easily reversed if you hang around here), that's what it did for me.  But the final 25% depends on how you prefer the sound of the genre you listen to and even then nothing's carved in stone.  Hell, I listen only to classical and even there my headphone preference will vary according to what I'm listening to.  Am typing this wearing my HD-800 although generally I prefer my HE-500 or HE-6.

 

And on that note it's time to go back to my normative ethics course, a curse on myself for taking up philosophy at 40 while holding a fulltime job.

I am here for all of the people, all of the time.

post #802 of 939

To continue Magic's inspired post:

 

Here's my take on a few more albums and cuts

 

The Lumineers - HD800

CSN - HD800

Van Halen "1984" - T1

Jake Bugg - HD800

Jake Bugg "Shangri La" - T1

Jackson Browne "Running On Empty" - HD800

Yes "Fragile" - HD800

White Stripes "White Blood Cells" T1

The Rolling Stones "Some Girls" - T1

Beatles "White Album" Blackbird, Julia, Dear Prudence - HD800

Beatles "White Album" Birthday, Why Don't We Do It On The Road, Back In The U.S.S.R. - T1

Mumford And Sons "Babel" HD800

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Sorry if you've answered this. Have you compared Gilmore lite with schiit lyr for hd800? Originally I bought lyr for my hifiman he-500, feel the highs are little untamed on hd800.
have a good holiday and thanks!

 

I did exactly a Gilmore Lite vs Schiit Lyr comparison once with the HD800 and would say that neither amp is ideal for the HD800. Although the Lyr was quite blurry-sounding compared to the GL, I found that even the GL was a bit unclear-sounding too when I compared it to the GS-X (MK1).

 

I found that a DIY M3 did a lot to help fill in the HD800's mid-range and de-emphasize its treble.

post #804 of 939
The hd800 is best for classical, no doubt.
post #805 of 939

I wonder how many head-fi'ers listen to classical on a regular basis. I have an appreciation of it for sure, but when I sit down to listen to music it's not usually near the top of my play list. 

 

It would be interesting to take a survey of head-fi'ers listening preferences. 

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Yes, maybe not too much detail in this thread, but for me, great music is great music, be it pop/rock/orchestral/whatever.  I'm a semi-pro trumpet player who plays everything from big orchestral stuff to chamber music to big band and funk.  I have a keen interest in thrash and death metal, as well as the historical greats, mainstream rock and more alternative subgenres.  I love industrial/electronica and gothic sounds and my life would feel quite more empty without solo piano music, but above all, I listen to orchestral music (classical music).  For me, an orchestra can capture every emotional nuance more vividly than anything else, from serene peace to the most violent aggression and fearful strains of sound.  I think well recorded orchestral music (the large scale stuff such as Mahler, Shostakovich, Bruckner etc.) is the ultimate test of any audio system.  It stretches equipment to the boundaries of dynamics, texture, speed, attack, decay, soundtsage, transparency, tonal accuracy, separation, frequency response, colour.  Everything!!  People that listen to a lot of this stuff already know this, don't we?

 

Back to topic, I don't own and haven't heard either the HD800 or T1, but came to this thread initially to gain some insight into the comparison between them, if I were to ever drop the pennies.  The HD800 seems to keep coming top for orchestral stuff, but given my particularly wide taste in music, maybe the T1 would suit me better in the long run?  I surely don't need both, do I?!


Edited by amigomatt - 12/27/13 at 4:25pm
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1. The two headphone has different kind of head-stage, or sound-scape, whatever, i would not call it a real sound stage. HD800 seems more wow effect here, it well-expand traditional head-stage,just like Sony's head mound display HMZ.

 

T1's scape really interesting, i would rather call its a sound-scape than head-stage,  can't be judge be wide or narrow/forward or laid-back easily, because its somehow very depend on spacious information on records, like Oculus rift.

 

 

2.Wrong damping or mismatch gain will cause the two headphone sound bad.

 

 

3.IMO,no much sense mod the two headphone just by amateur's measure.

Moding those headphone somehow very close causal fallacy.

 

Soft Dome has it break-up model nature,And those company knows how to use it.


Edited by donthuang - 12/27/13 at 9:26pm
post #808 of 939

I've had both and definitely prefer the T1 for a few reasons. 

 

1) It's more comfortable to me because of the size of the cups. The HD800's started to bother my jawline. 

2) I prefer the presentation more. I watch a lot of movies on the Smyth Realiser and need the low end to be carried through with more weight. 

3) I thought that the construction of the T1 was better. I hated the fact that you could press on the outside of the HD800 accidentally and the material would pop in and out. I was much more impressed by the T1's apparent durability. 

4) It became apparent to me that the T1 was easier to drive to it's fullest potential versus the HD800. I didn't want to travel down the rabbit hole of amplifiers. It seems like a WA2 ($1200) would get every last drop from the T1 but most here agree that a more expensive amp would be required for the HD800. 

5) The cost is less. You can grab a brand new set of T1's from an authorized dealer for less than $1K. 

post #809 of 939
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To me the 800 seemed a bit vieled, I use to put them on for live jazz. They had a nice warm sound and the big sound stage was nice at times, but to constantly feel as if I were too far back from the music, and the veil fatigued me..at least that is how I felt with the pair that I had.I know some HD 800s seem bright to some people. I wish I had a pair like that myself.my first set of cans was a grado 325is and I guess I just got used to a brighter sound. to me the sennhisers do not sound like live music. I don't see warm in every aspect as being neutral. the 800's just didn't have any air

Good joke. Typical of a Grado fan. If it isn't blasting your ears as if you were standing between the stage monitors it isn't close enough to the music. When I listen to classical works that are properly recorded I feel like I am the conductor with the HD800. It doesn't get much closer. With chamber I feel I am in the room about 10-20 feet from the performers, just as I would be in a chamber setting. With a rock band I feel I am a few rows back, the perfect spot to be able to hear and see everything properly.

The only time when HD800s feel like they are far away is listening to certain types of electronic music in which that is the goal, and is thus enhanced by HD800's spacious soundstage.
post #810 of 939
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I've had both and definitely prefer the T1 for a few reasons. 

 

1) It's more comfortable to me because of the size of the cups. The HD800's started to bother my jawline. 

2) I prefer the presentation more. I watch a lot of movies on the Smyth Realiser and need the low end to be carried through with more weight. 

3) I thought that the construction of the T1 was better. I hated the fact that you could press on the outside of the HD800 accidentally and the material would pop in and out. I was much more impressed by the T1's apparent durability. 

4) It became apparent to me that the T1 was easier to drive to it's fullest potential versus the HD800. I didn't want to travel down the rabbit hole of amplifiers. It seems like a WA2 ($1200) would get every last drop from the T1 but most here agree that a more expensive amp would be required for the HD800. 

5) The cost is less. You can grab a brand new set of T1's from an authorized dealer for less than $1K. 

I own the 800, did a quite lengthy audition on the T1, for television I can imagine one could prefer it, certainly in combo with the WA2 if you already have one,  the T1 has a 600 Ohm impedance and iirc on some frequencies it goes to >1000.  HD-800 is 300 Ohms and has a more civilised curve, it's not so hard to drive but it is dac/amp sensitive although I have to say that they sound very good on both my ss Violectric 200 (takes a bit of the harsh edge off) and, in spite of the negative comments about that combo, they do at least as well with my Darkvoice 337 tube amplifier.  Am surprised that you're experiencing pressure issues with the HD-800 though, to me they're supremely comfortable (but the Beyers are too).  Stay far, far away from the HifiMan family I'd say.  I got my 800 for around 900 EUR (showroom model), T1 would have been about the same price and for classical I found the Senn better.

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