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post #16 of 951
Thanks for the write-up, it was a great read. I can't wait to hear the T1 sometime (well, sometime that's not in the middle of a loud convention hall at the CES), although for now I'm going to hold off on the splurge. They sound like a winner. Also, I totally agree that the HD800 bass is much better than the K701 in pretty much every way.

Any thoughts on the relative speed of the two headphones? Slowness was the biggest issue I had with the DT880.
post #17 of 951
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Not with the T1s

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Originally Posted by AmanGeorge View Post
Thanks for the write-up, it was a great read. I can't wait to hear the T1 sometime (well, sometime that's not in the middle of a loud convention hall at the CES), although for now I'm going to hold off on the splurge. They sound like a winner. Also, I totally agree that the HD800 bass is much better than the K701 in pretty much every way.

Any thoughts on the relative speed of the two headphones? Slowness was the biggest issue I had with the DT880.
Both are incredibly quick and responsive. The T1s are NOT a simple improvement on the DT880s (which I didn't fall in love with to be honest). They are a whole new design and headphone just like the HD800s are over the HD650/600s.

I would say equally quick and responsive.
post #18 of 951
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Slowness was the biggest issue I had with the DT880.
i strongly agree with this comment.

Don't get me wrong, i love the phenomenal clarity and balance that the 880's have, it just wasn't cutting it for me on the electronic/club/dance tracks that i listen to.


When i switched to the 990/600's, a whole new world opened up.
I'm sure people who have the 880's love their cans, but it's surprising on how much better and exciting things get when more bass[impact][quality][quantity] comes into the picture.
post #19 of 951
One thing bothers with HD800 is lack of weight tonally with most the amp I heard. I hope T1 is tonally richer.
post #20 of 951
Great comparison. Short and to the point. Hopefully I can get a pair of my own soon.
post #21 of 951
Excellent write-up. I'm planning to compare my recabled T1 and HE-5 with the recabled HD800 of my friend tomorrow. I don't know what the result will be.
post #22 of 951
Thank you for the review.
When I read it. It seems both cans actually sound close with only some slight difference in different aspect except for soundstage.
Does the t1 sound really similar to the hd800 or do they each have some strong point that really differentiate them one from another and makes you want to keep both for maybe different types of music?
post #23 of 951
Thanks, more confirmation that the T1's are for me, they will be a good b-day present
post #24 of 951
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Originally Posted by hawat View Post
Thank you for the review.
When I read it. It seems both cans actually sound close with only some slight difference in different aspect except for soundstage.
Does the t1 sound really similar to the hd800 or do they each have some strong point that really differentiate them one from another and makes you want to keep both for maybe different types of music?
I would say that interpretation could certainly be developped because they are both neutral headphones. It would be much easier to say that a Grado RS1 is very different from a Denon D7000 because they are both very differently coloured.

These two headphones (T1 and HD800) are different neutral sounding headphones with one showing every detail with incredible sound stage and the other with more impactful bass, with great details, but yet very musical. But in the end both are neutral headphones without the colourations of other manufacturers (like Grado, Denon, Ultrasone, etc...) and thus the smaller difference in their overall sound.

I am very happy to own both!

I do prefer the HD800s with jazz and classical and the T1s for rock/metal. But, both do a great job at pretty much everything...the advantage of not being overly coloured.

The RS1i's are incredible rock cans, but I find are mostly limited to rock/metal because of the Grado colouring.
post #25 of 951
Excellent write up, thanks.....
post #26 of 951
A little off topic, but MH have you by chance heard the HF2s as well as your RS1is?

I ask as I'm interested in picking up one of the two but I'm not sure which would be better, although from what I'm reading it sounds as though the HF2s would be better for my musical tastes (rock, metal, and more rock).
post #27 of 951
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
I would say that interpretation could certainly be developped because they are both neutral headphones. It would be much easier to say that a Grado RS1 is very different from a Denon D7000 because they are both very differently coloured.

These two headphones (T1 and HD800) are different neutral sounding headphones with one showing every detail with incredible sound stage and the other with more impactful bass, with great details, but yet very musical. But in the end both are neutral headphones without the colourations of other manufacturers (like Grado, Denon, Ultrasone, etc...) and thus the smaller difference in their overall sound.

I am very happy to own both!

I do prefer the HD800s with jazz and classical and the T1s for rock/metal. But, both do a great job at pretty much everything...the advantage of not being overly coloured.

The RS1i's are incredible rock cans, but I find are mostly limited to rock/metal because of the Grado colouring.
Thanks for the additional input.

To me one of the advantage of headphones over speakers is that we can switch easily from one different taste to another. So I actually switch quite often and don't really mind if some headphones are very specialized if I can hear the CDs the way I like them the most.
Since I may sometime be lazy if two headphones have a close sound signature I' m not sure if I would bother switching for one or another so one of them would probably end up going to the auctions or fs forum but if the t1 are very musical compared to the hd800 which I sometime find not involving enough that may be a good reason enough to keep them.
Of course that would be a different story if I find one day some kind of mythical headphone that for my taste beats all those more specialized headphones at their own genre.
post #28 of 951
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
These two headphones (T1 and HD800) are different neutral sounding headphones with one showing every detail with incredible sound stage and the other with more impactful bass, with great details, but yet very musical. But in the end both are neutral headphones without the colourations of other manufacturers (like Grado, Denon, Ultrasone, etc...) and thus the smaller difference in their overall sound.
Thanks for the write-up, MH. The T1 (and PS1000, too) is on my wish list, and this review doesn't diminish its attractiveness.

I've never heard the T1 so I'm curious about the comment I've quoted above. I believe a similar point of view has been expressed in other discussions on the T1 vs. HD800 topic.

If possible, I'd like some clarification. Are you saying that the T1 is "neutral" but has "more impactful bass" and is more "musical" than the HD800 when listening to the same tracks?

If yes, then which of the following is the case:

1. The HD800, unlike the T1, is incapable of accurately representing the "impactful bass" and "musicality" that's in the recording.

2. The HD800 is accurately representing the bass and musicality that's in the recording, but the T1 is able to represent it "better."

If, as I suspect, the answer is 2, then aren't you saying that the T1 is actually coloring the original recording? And if this is true, then this may explain why you're finding that the T1 is less neutral than the HD800.

I'm bringing this up not to start an argument but because I'm truly interested in the T1. However, if it's adding color in the form of enhanced bass and musicality, then I need to factor this into my decision to purchase.

BTW, I enjoy both neutral and slightly colored 'phones for different music and different purposes, and I don't attach any more value to one over the other.
post #29 of 951
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Originally Posted by Necrolic View Post
A little off topic, but MH have you by chance heard the HF2s as well as your RS1is?

I ask as I'm interested in picking up one of the two but I'm not sure which would be better, although from what I'm reading it sounds as though the HF2s would be better for my musical tastes (rock, metal, and more rock).
I listen to primarily metal and I find the RS1i to have the perfect bass response for my liking. But then again I'm sure you'd be happy with either.
post #30 of 951
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Originally Posted by feifan View Post
Thanks for the write-up, MH. The T1 (and PS1000, too) is on my wish list, and this review doesn't diminish its attractiveness.

I've never heard the T1 so I'm curious about the comment I've quoted above. I believe a similar point of view has been expressed in other discussions on the T1 vs. HD800 topic.

If possible, I'd like some clarification. Are you saying that the T1 is "neutral" but has "more impactful bass" and is more "musical" than the HD800 when listening to the same tracks?

If yes, then which of the following is the case:

1. The HD800, unlike the T1, is incapable of accurately representing the "impactful bass" and "musicality" that's in the recording.

2. The HD800 is accurately representing the bass and musicality that's in the recording, but the T1 is able to represent it "better."

If, as I suspect, the answer is 2, then aren't you saying that the T1 is actually coloring the original recording? And if this is true, then this may explain why you're finding that the T1 is less neutral than the HD800.

I'm bringing this up not to start an argument but because I'm truly interested in the T1. However, if it's adding color in the form of enhanced bass and musicality, then I need to factor this into my decision to purchase.

BTW, I enjoy both neutral and slightly colored 'phones for different music and different purposes, and I don't attach any more value to one over the other.
I wouldn't say that the T1 is colouring the music with the more impactful bass. To me it is just right and the HD800 could use a little more impact to be perfect. That's not to say that the HD800s is incapable, just that it was this way by design.
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