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post #16 of 47
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
I saw "manufacturer: Q" but I didn't know what it was.

This is really off topic but, what kind of cables and have you been making them long?

USG
I believe this is the cable that he's making : 6moons audio reviews: The Tao of Q
post #17 of 47
For $400!!!!!!
post #18 of 47
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Originally Posted by h.rav View Post
I believe this is the cable that he's making : 6moons audio reviews: The Tao of Q
Not any longer it isn't.

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post #19 of 47
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Originally Posted by Koyaan I. Sqatsi View Post

Not any longer it isn't.

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How much is it now?

USG
post #20 of 47
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
How much is it now?
I meant that I'm no longer making that particular cable.

And now I think it's time to give this thread back to the original poster.

If you have any other questions, feel free to send me a PM.

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post #21 of 47
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Originally Posted by 883dave View Post
Unless we have credible double blind tests there can not be a difference.
Do not waste your money, buy the cheapest amp available, the one that comes in the ipod should be enough
??? What, between tube and solidstate - credible blind test??? I just can't comprehend what you are implicating. Have you actually heard valve amps?
post #22 of 47
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
??? What, between tube and solidstate - credible blind test??? I just can't comprehend what you are implicating. Have you actually heard valve amps?
I think he was being sarcastic.

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post #23 of 47


Listened last night to my SS Lehmann black cube. This time I guaranteed a lower jitter source and the treble improved - I guess SS is more able to expose how debilitating jitter is, where as Tube amp just smothers it all into a sweet package. Am using the bryston dac, changing from USB to optical, I think this dac has a slightly rolled off treble that is exacerbated by USB.
post #24 of 47
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Originally Posted by Koyaan I. Sqatsi View Post
I think he was being sarcastic.

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was Bob Carver? How about the Stereophile reviewers who "lost" the challenge to tell one of his $600 ss amps from a high end tube amp of their choosing - with their speakrs, source...

anyone acutally read the links in the 1st few posts?
post #25 of 47
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Originally Posted by jcx View Post
was Bob Carver? How about the Stereophile reviewers who "lost" the challenge to tell one of his $600 ss amps from a high end tube amp of their choosing - with their speakrs, source...

anyone acutally read the links in the 1st few posts?
Yes, I did.

Did you read 883dave's post?

Here it is again:

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Unless we have credible double blind tests there can not be a difference.
Do not waste your money, buy the cheapest amp available, the one that comes in the ipod should be enough
It's essentially saying "all amps sound the same so just get the cheapest available."

That's something entirely different from the Carver challenge and euphonic distortion where audible differences are implicit.

Check out 883dave's profile. He was clearly being sarcastic.

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post #26 of 47
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Originally Posted by jcx View Post
was Bob Carver? How about the Stereophile reviewers who "lost" the challenge to tell one of his $600 ss amps from a high end tube amp of their choosing - with their speakrs, source...

anyone acutally read the links in the 1st few posts?
I believe the reviewer sold his good amp after that comparison and then later regretted doing so because he felt he was led down the wrong path with DBT's.
post #27 of 47
I dunno why but I am really in love with the lush sound I get from a $37 tube amp that I have. Its technically worse than my home amp (lesser bass extenstion, no crisp highs) but the vocals that I get from it are simply amazing (even more when you consider it costs $37).

Of course technically its not a tube amp but a hybrid. But the tubes influence is definitely there !
post #28 of 47
Having used both, I have found that both types of amp can (and do) sound good (and sound bad). Synergy is more important. I found it with a Phase Linear 2000 Series II pre and a Yamaha M-35 power. Later, I sold my last tube amp, a Dyna Stereo 35. No regrets.
post #29 of 47
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I dunno why but I am really in love with the lush sound I get from a $37 tube amp that I have. Its technically worse than my home amp (lesser bass extenstion, no crisp highs) but the vocals that I get from it are simply amazing (even more when you consider it costs $37).

Of course technically its not a tube amp but a hybrid. But the tubes influence is definitely there !
OMG!!! me too.

I mean, I last week I bought a GENNARI VALVE AMP. More like "generic valve amp". All tube, made in China... I LOVE IT! Impulse decision after auditioning AUS$6000 bookshelves and nearly puking. I was going to spend a lot of money on speakers to upgrade my Yamaha surround receiver and instead spent a fraction on an all valve amp to my $200 Tannoy bookshelf.

What I hear in my room, mated to the Bryston DAC, is miles ahead of that gazillion dollar audition in their acoustically treated room - the uncontrolled bass resonance was unbelieavable.

The way I break it down is that my preference for music must remind me of the days when I was a drummer in my highschool band. We did play for thousands on occassions, but mainly we jammed in an intimate sound locked classroom. We listened to each other - Bass, guitar, piano, singer are all a few feet from me. Our levels matched to how we heard - never a clue as to what the audience will hear (to this day I have never attended a concert)

Valves do this. project the sound into the room - as opposed to extending the room boundaries. Vocals, instruments, guitar, bass, keyboard...for me - hi hat, snare and cymbals, toms - all accurately reproduced.

Except kick drum - only high end solid state can realistcally produce an acoustic kick drum. High end is expensive, and the speakers to match, but valve still competes at mid level with this regard.

Its win, win as far as my preferences go. Valves are more accurate and can be referenced to reality better than solidstate.

On the other hand - from memory, all the guitar amps, bass amps, keybard amps, microphone amps and speakers were rat**** cheap!!! electric guitars actually sound BETTER reproduced than the REAIL THING...WTF!!! I love it!
post #30 of 47
The OP original question concerned 880/600s.

I have a ss amp designed specifically for this phone: QESLabs (from Italy, check it out ... hey, Euro is at a nice low if you are a dollar payer).

Sounds fantastic: sharp, analytical, detailed, but plenty of musicality. This is what you purchased the 880/600 for in the first place.
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