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Originally Posted by Zerotohero View Post
Great work slim - Have you or anyone else on here compared the cables you have reviewed with the nordost moonglo digital cable?

It is the one i currently have and I would be interested in upgrading it if one of your recommendations is an improvement.

Thanx
Sorry, I have never listened to the Nordost moonglo. It looks like a nice high performance cable. If your system is well balanced I suggest not upgrading the cable. At this performance level there is more likely to be a shift in tonal balance rather than a pure increase in performance.

However, if someone has already compared it to the stereovox XV2 for example it might give us a reference point.
post #92 of 147
I have the prior version of the XV2 and have the DB-510.
I prefer the Stereovox, more details and more laidback and better soundstage (depth).

Stereovox seem to have a thin bass when doing A/B with the Stereovox.
Best soundstage (more details, more space) = better for me.

WHile the coax cable need to be matched with the DAC/AMP/Headphone ... I keep them all the time my B22 will be finished. On my actual gear (SinglePower Dragon, Hiface, Behringer SRC2496 modded, HD800), the Stereovox fit better.

* I hope will prefer the DB-510 at the end ... because I have it already .. the Stereovox is not mine and pay 600$ for Stereovox Ultra is insane price for just a coax cable. My B22 cost that price for the parts ...
post #93 of 147
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I have the prior version of the XV2 and have the DB-510.
I prefer the Stereovox, more details and more laidback and better soundstage (depth).

Stereovox seem to have a thin bass when doing A/B with the Stereovox.
Best soundstage (more details, more space) = better for me.

WHile the coax cable need to be matched with the DAC/AMP/Headphone ... I keep them all the time my B22 will be finished. On my actual gear (SinglePower Dragon, Hiface, Behringer SRC2496 modded, HD800), the Stereovox fit better.

* I hope will prefer the DB-510 at the end ... because I have it already .. the Stereovox is not mine and pay 600$ for Stereovox Ultra is insane price for just a coax cable. My B22 cost that price for the parts ...
Hi pompon,

I am not sure to understand which version of the Stereovox you tried. When you say "prior" do you mean the HDXV? Or maybe you meant "subsequent" since you mention the "Ultra" later.

Concerning the Ultra vs XV2, it seems that they have made a lot of improvements to the sound:
- cryogenic treatment for the cable and connectors
- RF absorbing layer of pure woven carbon fiber
- an external jacket with lower dielectric effect
However what botters me with a cable that is selling for the price of the Ultra is the use of a silver plated copper instead of high purity silver or high purity copper. Mil Spec Wire is just another way to say cheap silver plated copper.

However, I have to admit that from a listening point of view it doesn't directly relate to the sound. In my experience, 3 high-end cables sounded natural to me: the Oyaide (pure silver), the very expensive Actinote (pure copper), and the hifi cables Sobek (SPC). The weird thing is that the XV2 was significantly different than the other ones: it was leaner and brighter. It was more upfront with the details but in reality it didn't have more low level details: it was simply voiced to sound more detailed.
I have also listened to the XV2 against a high end Audioquest (I don't remember the reference) on a speaker system and had the same feeling about the XV2 which also sounded harsher and more artificial in that system.

My advice is to hold on to the Oyaide maybe until you can try your new B22. Depending on the sound of your system, you will see if the Oyaide or the Stereovox better suits your tastes.

BTW, I agree that $600 is an insane amount to pay for a digital cable. With that amount you can buy yourself a proper DAC which has good reclocking such as the dac19dsp (see here: н¨ÍøÒ³ 1). It has good jitter rejection (less sensitive to the transport and the digital cable), it uses multibit PCM1704uk dac chips, and it is an all discrete design with zero negative feedback.

Edit -- Did you try the XV2? If you can get your hands on a used one (since it is discontinued), it might be a cheaper alternative to the Ultra and better suited for you system than the oyaide.
post #94 of 147
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However, if someone has already compared it to the stereovox XV2 for example it might give us a reference point.
I have both Nordost Moonglo and XV2. Moonglo is a nice sounding digital cable, smooth, layered, and warm, much preferable to things like Blue Jeans/Belden cables. Of course, I prefer the XV2 to Moonglo due to XV2's clarity and purity.

I did try upgrading the Moonglo by substituting plugs to Eichmann Silver bullets (very expensive!) with some gains in purity, but now we're talking $$$ in total costs.
post #95 of 147
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Originally Posted by slim.a View Post
Hi pompon,
I am not sure to understand which version of the Stereovox you tried. When you say "prior" do you mean the HDXV? Or maybe you meant "subsequent" since you mention the "Ultra" later.
Yes, HDXV. I have done extensive A/B today.

Stereovox win over the DB-510 for the details, 3D soundstage, neutrality. Yes, the bass region is a bit thin.
DB-510 have fuller bass region and more bass details but that bring some coloration. It's soundstage have less depth and smooter top highs.
DB-510 is very musical ...

I didn't done A/B between HDXV and XV2 ... but heard XV2/DB510 and was similar to HDXV/DB510.

At this point, Stereovox is the better compromise for me. But XV2 is no longer in production and the only Stereovox I can buy is the Ultra at 600$ ... while I have already the DB-510 ... It's not my priority while DB-510 is not bad at all.
post #96 of 147
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Originally Posted by pompon View Post
DB-510 have fuller bass region and more bass details but that bring some coloration. It's soundstage have less depth and smooter top highs.
DB-510 is very musical ...
I have to agree with Pompon also. He has very fine ears and I also think that the DB-510 is not neutral and I think it has a significant colored sound signature.
I previsouly had the Canare cable and I find that the DB-510 gives a more tube amp kind of sound sound without the lack of details. I find the bass warmer, heavier and not very tight but still detailed. The highs are a little bit more rolled off and the overall sound is more upfront and and not very laidback.
I favor neutrality but I like very much the sound signature of this cable and it matches very well with some but not all of the music I listen to. The sound that this cable gives is very pleasant and relaxing. Definetely smooth or musical...

I will however have to put this cable for sale and use the Canare instead because I need to fund my Jkenny hiFace mod. I think that I can get a better gain is SQ by modding the hiFace instead of upgrading to an expensive fancy digital cable.
post #97 of 147
So far pompon and pg182's impressions explain what I'm hearing. I thought the Oyaide was warmer, more bass-heavy and smoother than even the Belden/BJC coax cable, but not to the extent of being detrimental to the sound. I don't know about the bass not being tight though (in my system, it is defined/tight). I think that has more to do with your other components than the cable, but since I haven't heard other high-end coaxial cables to compare to, I can't be sure.
post #98 of 147
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I think that different people will consider the Oyaide as being too smooth or too dry depending on their baseline (see the quote below from 2 pages ago).

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Last week I tried an 70cm RCA Oyaide 510 in my system (see sign).
Frankly I was disappointed; inspired by this tread I hoped for a better performance compared to my digiflex with ferrite cores (les then 1/5 of the price) but the 510 sounded sharper, loosing some warmth (with or without ferrite, didn't seem to make a difference unlike with t digiflex), and after a week i gave up and felt relieved reinstalling the digiflex and enjoy the sound restored to 'fullness' again.
This is not to say that the Oyaide is not a good cable; far from it, construction is impressive.
But cables are system dependent, and synergy is not always a matter of getting the best or most expensive.
According to my experience, and I have tested dozens of high quality digital cables, the Oyaide falls right in the middle between warmer digital cables and dryer ones. I have currently in my posession many digital cables (whether coaxial, glass or plastic optical) that are either warmer or more foreword sounding.

I think it is hard to judge whether a digital cable is accurate or not by comparing to only one or 2 high performance digital cables.

As for the stereovox, it appears that each time it is compared to high performance (and expensive cables), it is judged as being leaner and more detailed. My personal opinion is that the Stereovox was voiced slightly on the bright side to simulate details and airiness.

So either the Stereovox is voiced correctly and the Oyaide, Hifi Cables Sobek, Actinote Aria, Audioquest I tried (and the Nordost Zerotohero tested) were voiced incorrectly. Or maybe it is the other way around.
post #99 of 147

Hey all - I'm considering buying this BNC cable, I have a m2tech hiface and currently use Belden 1694A from BJC with BNC to BNC into my Matrix Mini-i Dac.  Do you guys think it's worth it for me to get the Oyaide if I'm using it through loud speakers?? I figure most of these details are subtle at best and may not have an impact in a loudspeaker environment.  Thoughts??

post #100 of 147
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Hey all - I'm considering buying this BNC cable, I have a m2tech hiface and currently use Belden 1694A from BJC with BNC to BNC into my Matrix Mini-i Dac.  Do you guys think it's worth it for me to get the Oyaide if I'm using it through loud speakers?? I figure most of these details are subtle at best and may not have an impact in a loudspeaker environment.  Thoughts??


If your speakers are resolving enough (which they seem to be), the difference should be easily noticeable especially if you already hear a difference between different transports (hiface vs. other sources).

 

The Oyaide is a very detailed but smooth cable. If your system is too warm, bass heavy or doesn't have an articulate bass, the Oyaide cable might not be appropriate in those cases and there might be better options out there like a used Stereovox XV2 or its replacement (http://www.sixmoons.com/audioreviews/blackcat/veloce.html)

 

However, if your system is neutral or quick, and you want to get an "analog" sound (less digitis in the upper frequencies), the Oyaide will probably be an excellent solution.

post #101 of 147

I decided to hold off and just try getting a male to male BNC adapter.  As it is - the Matrix Mini-i is very analog sounding; I'll let you know my findings.

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...However, if your system is neutral or quick, and you want to get an "analog" sound (less digitis in the upper frequencies), the Oyaide will probably be an excellent solution.


Thank you very much Slim.a for your extensive review, you convinced me.

My opinion as well, found the Stereovox XV-2 and the Nordost Moonglo bit artificial sounding, where as the music through the Oyaide DB-510 BNC (1.3 meter) sounds like I am listening to live musicians on stage, with the right width and depth without exaggeration, found it the most neutral and analog sounding of the three in several sets.

edited for spelling


Edited by Rudivanb - 6/20/10 at 5:38am
post #103 of 147

It's a nice cable enjoy it!

IMHO best value for money.

post #104 of 147
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Thank you very much Slim.a for your extensive review, you convinced me.

My opinion as well, found the Stereovox XV-2 and the Nordost Moonglo bit artificial sounding, where as the music through the Oyaide DB-510 BNC (1.3 meter) sounds like I am listening to live musicians on stage, with the right width and depth without exaggeration, found it the most neutral and analog sounding of the three in several sets.

edited for spelling



I am glad the review was helpful and that you are enjoying your new cable.


 

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Originally Posted by rosgr63 View Post

It's a nice cable enjoy it!

IMHO best value for money.


Thanks for pointing us the Oyaide, since you are the one who encouraged me to try the Oyaide digital cable in the first place!

post #105 of 147

slim.a thanks, full credit to you for taking the time and writing such an excellent review.

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