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mil-spec is probably just shorthand for 'cable bought for cheap from military surplus' :P
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mil-spec is probably just shorthand for 'cable bought for cheap from military surplus' :P
I like your explanation, always wondered!
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mil-spec is probably just shorthand for 'cable bought for cheap from military surplus' :P
That is probably a good explanation I found a 50 Feet Mil-Spec 26-AWG Silver-Coated-Copper Wire selling for $9.99.
The stereovox cable is probably a better quality cable than the one I have found on ebay but it is probably a lot cheaper than the high purity silver used in the Oyaide ...
post #19 of 147
Has anybody tried the LAT DI-30? I read a few good comments(better than Stereovox) on some other forums and was wondering if it's legit. They offer a 45 day money back guarantee so not much to lose.
I've been pondering a new digital coax and was debating whether to go with an El Cheapo BJC Belden 1694 or to spend a couple of bills on something more exotic

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Has anybody tried the LAT DI-30? I read a few good comments(better than Stereovox) on some other forums and was wondering if it's legit. They offer a 45 day money back guarantee so not much to lose.
I've been pondering a new digital coax and was debating whether to go with an El Cheapo BJC Belden 1694 or to spend a couple of bills on something more exotic

L A T International, Inc. - Audio Cables
It's not silver but uses copper and silver (Silverfuse). "Silverfuse is a near alloy of silver and copper".
On paper at least Oyaide is better. Not to mention the connectors, I don't think you'll find many better than Oyaide at this price.
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Has anybody tried the LAT DI-30? I read a few good comments(better than Stereovox) on some other forums and was wondering if it's legit. They offer a 45 day money back guarantee so not much to lose.
I've been pondering a new digital coax and was debating whether to go with an El Cheapo BJC Belden 1694 or to spend a couple of bills on something more exotic

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It's not silver but uses copper and silver (Silverfuse). "Silverfuse is a near alloy of silver and copper".
On paper at least Oyaide is better. Not to mention the connectors, I don't think you'll find many better than Oyaide at this price.
I agree with rosgr63, it would be hard to find a better built cable than the Oyaide at this price point. The only thing an esoteric cable could improve upon the Oyaide would be using an air dielectric instead of teflon+carbon PE used as a dielectric for the Oyaide. However, as far as I know, such cables (Taralabs, ...) are much more expensive than the Oyaide.
post #22 of 147
What scares me in the Oyaides are the words "pure silver" My only experience with pure silver was $6000 Nordost speaker cables that made my ears bleed. The last thing I want in my system at this point is brightness.

I fell for this(marketing hype? maybe) from LAT:

The compacting fusion also reduces the wire diameter to the desired size. No dioding subsequently occurs with this process. The result provides for the benefits of silver; which are excellent definition and clarity, with the high purity copper benefits of warmth and mellowness.
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What scares me in the Oyaides are the words "pure silver" My only experience with pure silver was $6000 Nordost speaker cables that made my ears bleed.

I find this(marketing hype?) from LAT more reassuring:

The compacting fusion also reduces the wire diameter to the desired size. No dioding subsequently occurs with this process. The result provides for the benefits of silver; which are excellent definition and clarity, with the high purity copper benefits of warmth and mellowness.
First, you have to keep in mind that digital cables transmit only high frequency content (square waves at the mega hertz range depending on the bit rate and frequency).
Anyway I find it curious that they use the following to describe a digital cable : "The result provides for the benefits of silver; which are excellent definition and clarity, with the high purity copper benefits of warmth and mellowness." This might be true for their analog cables but the same reasoning cannot apply for digital cables. You do not need copper in the cable to achieve the transmission of a perfect square wave without rounding off the edges.
I understand the logic behind using silver/copper cables in the analog domain but I honestly do not see the reasoning for a digital cable.

For a company that criticize cable hype, I find that they use a lot of "hype words" such as : SILVERFUSE, six nines OFHC copper,... But overall, they seem to make pretty decent cables (for the price).

As for your experience with the "$6000 Nordost speaker cables", I don't think it is a general rule that can be applied to all silver cables. There are a lot of factors that can make a difference in a silver based cable : the purity, the dielectric, the geomotry of the conductor (solid core vs. multi strand), ...
Personnaly, I am using solid silver cable throughout my system (digital BNC, RCA interconnects and headphone cable), and I have no hint of harshness. Many silver plated or copper based interconnects I tried were harsher than the artisan ultimate silver dream I am currently using (see my review here).
Out of curiosity, which nordost cable was that ? All I could find on their website were silver plated copper cables.
post #24 of 147
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Originally Posted by Turn&cough View Post
I fell for this(marketing hype? maybe) from LAT:

The compacting fusion also reduces the wire diameter to the desired size. No dioding subsequently occurs with this process. The result provides for the benefits of silver; which are excellent definition and clarity, with the high purity copper benefits of warmth and mellowness.
I don't think you have fallen for the marketing hype, this might be a nice cable indeed.
You can only find out after an ABX comparison using your equipment with which you are familiar.
I am only expressing my humble opinion!
post #25 of 147
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Out of curiosity, which nordost cable was that ? All I could find on their website were silver plated copper cables.
You're right - they probably were silver plated copper. They might have been the Valhalla but I'm not sure - this was quite a while ago. All I remember is the salesman telling me they were "silver", they cost $6000, how crappy they sounded and who in their right mind would spend $6000 on them. After that I avoided silver cables like the plague. I must have been traumatized by the experience.
post #26 of 147
Silver is actually better than coper for digital transmission but I'd rather use some pure coper for analog tasks.
Silver conducts electricity a lot faster.
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Silver is actually better than coper for digital transmission but I'd rather use some pure coper for analog tasks.
Silver conducts electricity a lot faster.
silver does not conduct electricity faster lol silver just has a lower resistance to it, and even then not by as much as you think. Since silver has the lowest resistivity of metals, it sets the scale at 1, copper comes in at a whopping 1.007. At least that is what i learned in school. It is really not that much less resistive. And resistance doesnt drop speed, it drops voltage.
post #28 of 147
You know a lot more than I do. I just reported what someone told me on the matter.
post #29 of 147
The Nordost stuff is silver extruded over copper IIRC, big difference from plating the silver onto copper core conductor. I have Nordost BH II speakers cables and they simply sound terrific with what would be bright planar/ribbon main speakers. The Nordost cable is anything but bright, it's full like copper but sweet and detailed like silver (it has no atypical signature of silver plated copper cables whatsoever IMO). Nordost's stuff is very system dependent I find...it can awful on the wrong gear combination's and amazing on the right combo's. It all comes down to selecting the proper pieces for that system puzzle.

I would have to say the most consistent performers I've used over the years across all system combination's I've owned, have been MIT. I've yet to hear a system that was not improved by varying degrees by these cables. Of course selecting the right cable for the job is the big question most of us have, never mind the astronomical prices some fo these designs command. That being said it makes no sense to mate a 5K US set of IC's to a 300 dollar DAC and amp. Some common sense has to be exercised I would think.

200USD for a decent cable to be used on a 2K DAC is more than acceptable IMO. I would not spend anymore than 500USD unless the performance is many times better than the 200 dollar cable.

Peete.
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The Nordost stuff is silver extruded over copper IIRC, big difference from plating the silver onto copper core conductor. I have Nordost BH II speakers cables and they simply sound terrific with what would be bright planar/ribbon main speakers. The Nordost cable is anything but bright, it's full like copper but sweet and detailed like silver (it has no atypical signature of silver plated copper cables whatsoever IMO). Nordost's stuff is very system dependent I find...it can awful on the wrong gear combination's and amazing on the right combo's. It all comes down to selecting the proper pieces for that system puzzle.

I would have to say the most consistent performers I've used over the years across all system combination's I've owned, have been MIT. I've yet to hear a system that was not improved by varying degrees by these cables. Of course selecting the right cable for the job is the big question most of us have, never mind the astronomical prices some fo these designs command. That being said it makes no sense to mate a 5K US set of IC's to a 300 dollar DAC and amp. Some common sense has to be exercised I would think.

200USD for a decent cable to be used on a 2K DAC is more than acceptable IMO. I would not spend anymore than 500USD unless the performance is many times better than the 200 dollar cable.

Peete.
Hi Peete, I could not agree more with your comments.

However common sense and Head-Fi don't go together in my case I am afraid.

I use Oyaide Digital, and Nordost Heimdall analogue and I like them both.
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